What SW infantry weapons could bring down a Space Marine?

[Srelex]

For the purposes of a fanfic I'm writing, I'd like to know which SW man-portable weapons could bring down a Space Marine in a reasonably quick time. I was considering the PLX rocket launchers, which according to the 2D Clone Wars cartoon can blow apart an AAT with inch-thick armor in a fireball, or the E-Web, which can apparently shoot down starfighters. What are your thoughts?

[Lord Relvenous]

Where are you getting anti-starfighter capability for the E-Web? Everything I've read suggests the opposite.

[Srelex]

Where are you getting anti-starfighter capability for the E-Web? Everything I've read suggests the opposite.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starw ... Cilpar.JPG

And of course we musn't forget that they expected to stop the Millennium Falcon with it.

[Lord Relvenous]

IMO neither one of those are conclusive evidence. It is never explicitly stated that the E-Web is capable of taking down a starfighter. In the comic, the strormtrooper could simply be firing to be firing, hoping that he'd catch one with the shields down, and in the case of the Millenium Falcon, they could easily be trying to damage it before the shields were raised.

The reason I'm arguing this is that I do have expicit evidence against it. In the book X-Wing: Isard's Revenge, on page 65 a stomtrooper operating an E-Web fires at passing X-Wings, causing no effect. To quote Wedge, "Infantry weapons never work well on starfighter targets." I'd say that disproved that notion.

[Srelex]

IMO neither one of those are conclusive evidence. It is never explicitly stated that the E-Web is capable of taking down a starfighter. In the comic, the strormtrooper could simply be firing to be firing, hoping that he'd catch one with the shields down, and in the case of the Millenium Falcon, they could easily be trying to damage it before the shields were raised.

The reason I'm arguing this is that I do have expicit evidence against it. In the book X-Wing: Isard's Revenge, on page 65 a stomtrooper operating an E-Web fires at passing X-Wings, causing no effect. To quote Wedge, "Infantry weapons never work well on starfighter targets." I'd say that disproved that notion.

That can come down to shielding. Now, either way, this suggests that the E-web can cause damage to armored targets, if they were trying to aim it at airborne fighters. Apparently, Imperials once tried to use an E-web to down the Falcon a second time--so even if it can't shoot down operational fighters, it is still reasonable to assume that it can punch through starship-standard armor, if it can't do shields.

[Ford Prefect]

For the purposes of a fanfic I'm writing, I'd like to know which SW man-portable weapons could bring down a Space Marine in a reasonably quick time.

Heavy turbolaser.

[Serafina]

For the purposes of a fanfic I'm writing, I'd like to know which SW man-portable weapons could bring down a Space Marine in a reasonably quick time.

Heavy turbolaser.

Since when are turbolasers a infantry weapon?

Anyway, pretty much any "heavy" SW-weapon (E-Webs, anti-vehicle weapons) would be good for the job.
Blasters not so much - concentrated fire will be nasty, but it would take a lot to do the job (they are about equal to lasguns, and it takes a lot of lasguns to bring down a Space Marine).

Grenades would also work, particulary the heavier ones (thermal detonators).

[Captain Seafort]

For the purposes of a fanfic I'm writing, I'd like to know which SW man-portable weapons could bring down a Space Marine in a reasonably quick time.

Heavy turbolaser.

The DS II superlaser would be better.

More seriously, as Serafina points out, SMs seem to have a roughly similar relationship to Stormies as stormies do to modern infantry - they'd need to treat them as light armoured vehicles rather than as infantry.

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

The reason I'm arguing this is that I do have expicit evidence against it. In the book X-Wing: Isard's Revenge, on page 65 a stomtrooper operating an E-Web fires at passing X-Wings, causing no effect. To quote Wedge, "Infantry weapons never work well on starfighter targets." I'd say that disproved that notion.

Did the shots hit? They could just be ineffective against starfighters because of targeting issues rather than power issues.

[Lord Relvenous]

Yeah they hit.

[The Romulan Republic]

The DS II superlaser would be better.

More seriously, as Serafina points out, SMs seem to have a roughly similar relationship to Stormies as stormies do to modern infantry - they'd need to treat them as light armoured vehicles rather than as infantry.

On what basis would you call a stormtrooper the equal to an armored vehicle on a modern battlefield? They were brought down with stone age weapons at Endor for Christ's sake.

That's not to say stormtroopers are useless. But even on a modern battlefield, I'd say they'd rank as infantry, albeit well-equipped and well-armored infantry.

[Srelex]

On what basis would you call a stormtrooper the equal to an armored vehicle on a modern battlefield? They were brought down with stone age weapons at Endor for Christ's sake.

That's not to say stormtroopers are useless. But even on a modern battlefield, I'd say they'd rank as infantry, albeit well-equipped and well-armored infantry.

Stormtrooper armor is, according to source material, highly resistant to bullets--note than on Endor, we never saw any confirmation of them getting killed apart from the ones who blew up--we just saw them getting knocked around or swamped by them.

[Captain Seafort]

On what basis would you call a stormtrooper the equal to an armored vehicle on a modern battlefield? They were brought down with stone age weapons at Endor for Christ's sake.

An individual wearing stormie armour was one hit by a spear hard enough to pick them up an slam them into the nearest wall hard enough to see stars. The armour was slightly chipped by this. I believe "Lightsabres" is the specific source, although I haven't read it so the knowledge is second-hand. Needless to say, bullets aren't going to be very effective.

[The Romulan Republic]

Ok, fair enough. I'll concede the point.

[Eviscerator]

Infantry weapons never work well against air targets except for..........MANPADS or Man-portable Air Defense System like this one here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/PLX-2M_p ... e_launcher

Which if i remember right in one of the Rogue books shot down one of those pesky Rogues (albeit with the shields down or weakened). No, it wasn't Wedge, it was Corran Would have been nice though if the character who said "LOL infantry teh loses against starfighter" gets shot down by one later

[takemeout_totheblack]

On what basis would you call a stormtrooper the equal to an armored vehicle on a modern battlefield? They were brought down with stone age weapons at Endor for Christ's sake.

An individual wearing stormie armour was one hit by a spear hard enough to pick them up an slam them into the nearest wall hard enough to see stars. The armour was slightly chipped by this. I believe "Lightsabres" is the specific source, although I haven't read it so the knowledge is second-hand. Needless to say, bullets aren't going to be very effective.

Actually, in the Dark Horse comic 'To the Last Man', a tribe of spear wielding Amanin attack and slaughter a whole company of Imperial Stormtroopers (90% losses but the battle was 'won' for the Empire). In it Stormtroopers are clearly seen with spears penetrating their armor chest/back plates, somewhere I imagine the armor is should be at its thickest.

This could be due to the fact that the Amanin may or may not have some bullshit super throwing alien power thing, but the fact remains that a thrown spear (with impact energy of *maybe* a few hundred joules) penetrated their armor at center mass while bullets (the modern standard 5.56x45mm round packs 1.3 kilojoules of utilized impact/kinetic energy) are apparently ineffective.

of course.

I could be wrong, so everyone feel free to throw some math at me to explain this.

[Srelex]

Actually, in the Dark Horse comic 'To the Last Man', a tribe of spear wielding Amanin attack and slaughter a whole company of Imperial Stormtroopers (90% losses but the battle was 'won' for the Empire). In it Stormtroopers are clearly seen with spears penetrating their armor chest/back plates, somewhere I imagine the armor is should be at its thickest.

This could be due to the fact that the Amanin may or may not have some bullshit super throwing alien power thing, but the fact remains that a thrown spear (with impact energy of *maybe* a few hundred joules) penetrated their armor at center mass while bullets (the modern standard 5.56x45mm round packs 1.3 kilojoules of utilized impact/kinetic energy) are apparently ineffective.

of course.

I could be wrong, so everyone feel free to throw some math at me to explain this.

Do you know what the speartips were made of?

[Crazedwraith]

Infantry weapons never work well against air targets except for..........MANPADS or Man-portable Air Defense System like this one here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/PLX-2M_p ... e_launcher

Which if i remember right in one of the Rogue books shot down one of those pesky Rogues (albeit with the shields down or weakened). No, it wasn't Wedge, it was Corran Would have been nice though if the character who said "LOL infantry teh loses against starfighter" gets shot down by one later

That was an exceptionally lucky shot though. Corran had all shields front and the device hit an engine from behind; which is the only reason why it managed to blow off an S foil and cause a crash landing. Ordinarily it wouldn't have got through the shields.

[Eviscerator]

A spear thrown by an Olympic-class athelete or an trained spearman will arrive at the target with substantially more force than one thrown by Ms Strawberry Shortcake.

The speartips might be some ultra-dense stuff or some other magical metal in SW

[takemeout_totheblack]

The Amanin are quite primitive, and visual evidence suggests wood, but I'd be willing to accept some kind of easily smelted alien metal that looks like wood, but you would have to make a pretty convincing case.

[takemeout_totheblack]

A spear thrown by an Olympic-class athelete or an trained spearman will arrive at the target with substantially more force than one thrown by Ms Strawberry Shortcake.

The speartips might be some ultra-dense stuff or some other magical metal in SW

The spears don't have tips. They look to be sharpened sticks, the Wookiepedia page has some pictures from the comic of Amanin wielding said spears.

[Eviscerator]

Strange shit happens on battlefields
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Sedgwick
The originator of "They couldnt hit an elephant at this distance"!!" in referral to Sniper fire, and a bit later, BOOM! HEADSHOT!

True, un-aided infantry fire normally doesnt bother a fighter much but you put enough fire into the air you hear something go Splat later

See Ref
ww2 city air defense
Vietnam war ho chi minh city

I'd like to see Wedge making the same comment while flying over LOTs of ground troops firing at him

[takemeout_totheblack]

Actually, in the Dark Horse comic 'To the Last Man', a tribe of spear wielding Amanin attack and slaughter a whole company of Imperial Stormtroopers (90% losses but the battle was 'won' for the Empire). In it Stormtroopers are clearly seen with spears penetrating their armor chest/back plates, somewhere I imagine the armor is should be at its thickest.

This could be due to the fact that the Amanin may or may not have some bullshit super throwing alien power thing, but the fact remains that a thrown spear (with impact energy of *maybe* a few hundred joules) penetrated their armor at center mass while bullets (the modern standard 5.56x45mm round packs 1.3 kilojoules of utilized impact/kinetic energy) are apparently ineffective.

of course.

I could be wrong, so everyone feel free to throw some math at me to explain this.

Do you know what the speartips were made of?

The spears don't have tips, see for yourself.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starw ... ani_1b.jpg

[Srelex]

A spear thrown by an Olympic-class athelete or an trained spearman will arrive at the target with substantially more force than one thrown by Ms Strawberry Shortcake.

The speartips might be some ultra-dense stuff or some other magical metal in SW

The spears don't have tips. They look to be sharpened sticks, the Wookiepedia page has some pictures from the comic of Amanin wielding said spears.

Perhaps that particular batch of armor was faulty. Or the 'wood' is something else. In fact, judging by those pics on Wookieepedia, those Amanin are huge, and so are their spears. As Avatar demonstrated, big spears, sufficient force, body armor not going to matter much...

Anyway, let's get back to the original topic.

[Eviscerator]

In general, nothing really man portable I.E operated by one man in the SW universe does much to a Spessh Muhreen
By itself that is. If you want to take down Mr Space Marine fast , figure on hitting him with a target designator and then calling for artillery