SDN World 3 Commentary Thread II

[CmdrWilkens]

Heads up we are probably heading to the ceasefire portion of the Mexican-Colombian war. We marched through two plus days of fighting and are actually at one day past the delivery of the US note now so cease-fire proposal will be sent today along with a quick recap of the action.

[Steve]

Um, an ambassador to Cuba? It's held by the US IIRC.

[CmdrWilkens]

Um, an ambassador to Cuba? It's held by the US IIRC.

Yeah sorry that should have been consulate and consul not ambassador, editing now.

[Steve]

Ryan, what's with the "Bring Cisplatina and Brazil" to the armistice talks? They are not belligerents.

[CmdrWilkens]

Ryan, what's with the "Bring Cisplatina and Brazil" to the armistice talks? They are not belligerents.

He's been talking about this since about a month ago along with bringing half the canal board in as well. Mexico is not going to stop fighting if those are the terms for a ceasefire because I am not going to be outnumbered at the table, we can talk one on one with a mediator/moderator but no outsiders.

[Steve]

Seems to me that armistice talks should be between Mexico and Colombia with the US as mediator as it instigated the ceasefire. If a further peace treaty is arranged then multiple parties could be invited. Mexico could invite a party or two to counter-balance Brazil and/or Cisplatina to such talks.

[Ryan Thunder]

He's been talking about this since about a month ago along with bringing half the canal board in as well. Mexico is not going to stop fighting if those are the terms for a ceasefire because I am not going to be outnumbered at the table, we can talk one on one with a mediator/moderator but no outsiders.

I see that it is a matter of appearances, then. You are outnumbered in reality. Pretending otherwise for the duration of the talks by ignoring the Canal Board will never change that, but I can play along.

[RogueIce]

So just as an FYI, I'm not dead. Just doing more important (read: real life) things lately.

And if I have to stick the Mexican and/or Colombian representitives in a corner because they won't behave in the same room, I'll be rather upset.

[Thanas]

I was wondering if the seven battleships assigned to the task of escorting convoys to Shepistan and the Dominion are enough. At the moment, I am running two convoys per month to each of them (one return and one inbound convoy each). Therefore, at least four BBs are needed as continued escort and have to be on deployment each month. Are 7 battleships enough for that job or do I need to increase it further?

[Lonestar]

Knock yourself out. Gives me in-game justification to continue with increased naval spending.

[Thanas]

I am not concerned about that, I am merely concerned about the practicability. Does the 1/3 on station, 1/3 repairs/ammunition loading etc and 1/3 training rule from U-boote also applies to BBs?

[Lonestar]

I am not concerned about that, I am merely concerned about the practicability. Does the 1/3 on station, 1/3 repairs/ammunition loading etc and 1/3 training rule from U-boote also applies to BBs?

It does if you want to avoid having serious problems with maintenance deferment blowing up in your face. IIRC, during the early days of WW1 virtually the entire Grand Fleet was at sea for 25 days out of a month, because Jellico was terrified of U-boat attacks on the Scapa Flow. As a result there soon occurred widespread breakdowns and large portions of the fleet were unable to sail since routine maintenance had been deferred.

[Thanas]

Ah, okay. Thanks.

And I do look forward to your IC reaction - this is great fun.

[Siege]

I want to put together a reaction to some of the events that have transpired lately, but unfortunately I'm pretty busy these days so doing so might take some time.

[Lonestar]

Ah, okay. Thanks.

And I do look forward to your IC reaction - this is great fun.

It's going to be horrifying. The force you've deployed to the IO is effectively a match for the GDN's "Battle Fleet"(The ten or so BBs that are considered to be the main battleline), and puts the Grand Dominion in a very exposed position. Which, by the way, is one of the things that we will use for justification for the coastal defense program.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I'm pretty busy myself. Hell, I haven't even gotten around to post the new year construction schedule, which should include 2 55,000tonne 9 18"/45 gun battleships, plus one destined for the Balkan Republics.

I'm pretty busy so i will do my best to keep up with the endless accounting which is getting tad tiring.

[loomer]

Been busy here, too. Probably will be until March. Keep meaning to send PMs out but getting caught up in other crap.

[Thanas]

Ah, okay. Thanks.

And I do look forward to your IC reaction - this is great fun.

It's going to be horrifying. The force you've deployed to the IO is effectively a match for the GDN's "Battle Fleet"(The ten or so BBs that are considered to be the main battleline), and puts the Grand Dominion in a very exposed position. Which, by the way, is one of the things that we will use for justification for the coastal defense program.

Hmm. Well, currently my force is:

SMS Baden (8*16"/45, 24kts)
SMS Markgraf (10*15"/45, 24kts)
SMS Kaiserin (10*12"/50, 24kts)
SMS Helgoland (12*12"/45, 24kts)
SMS Prinzregent Liutpold (10*12"/50, 24kts)
SMS König Albert (10*12"/50, 24kts)
SMS Peter Stuyvesant (Delaware class BB) (10*12"/45, 24kts).
= 8 16", 10 15", 30 12"/50, 22 12"/45

By comparison you have:

CV Archangel (60 planes)
Galen Tyrol (9*15", 31kts)
Thunderer (9*15", 31kts)
Rollo the Walke (8*15", 23kts)
Ronaldus Magnus (8*15", 23kts)
Conrad of Alsace (8*15", 23kts)
Godfrey (8*15", 23kts)
Vanguard (10*13.5", 21kts)
Sternguard (10*13.5", 21kts)
Revenge (10*13.5", 21kts)
Reprisal (10*13.5", 21kts)
Wiglaf (12* 12.5", 22? kts)
Nidhogg (12*12,5", 22? kts)

Battlecruisers:
Tiger (8*13.5", 28 kts)
Lion (8*13.5", 28 kts)

So in total you have 60 planes, 50 15" guns, 56 13.5" guns, 24 12.5" guns against my 8 16", 10 15", 30 12"/50, 22 12"/45. Even allowing that the good performance of the german 12"/50 gun and even allowing for the typical german armor on my ships, I think you far outmatch my fleet. Nevermind the fact that four of the seven ships will be escorting convoys at all times....

That said, if the dominion were to take over escort duties, Germany of course would scale back her commitment.

[Lonestar]

Well, remember. Perception is key, Press won't care, blah blah blah. The Wiglaf and Nidhogg are assigned to Eastern Fleet(Bay of Bengal) and are currently performing convoy escort duties to Manchuria. The Thunderer only now came out of drydock after getting torpedoed, there will always be some that will be unable to set sail with Battle Fleet, etc. All of which makes the number of available dreadnoughts on hand seem much smaller. I might add that Jellico was using similar counting principles in the early days of WW1, in order to prove that he had less battleships on hand than the High Seas Fleet(he never assumed that German ships would be unavailable because of maintenance). Hence much toothgnashing in Dominionite circles.

By the way, I am NOT contesting you deploying extra ships(at least OOC), just explaining why there are going to be howls of anger IC.

[Lonestar]

Aw geez, I just noticed that you are listing the Rollo the Walkers as 23kts. Since they are based upon the Caracciolos, they should be more in the neighborhood of 25kts(wiki says they were projected to be 28kts, so for fluff purposes they were able to go faster on trials but I'm treating them more as QE Analogs).

[Thanas]

Actually, to my knowledge wiki says they are 23 knots. However, Breyer has them at 28 knots, so I accept the correction.

Oh, and no worries about IC and OOC stuff, I am not going to bitch about it. Just wanted to nix the idea of Germany secretly building up towards an invasion in the bud.

[Lonestar]

Actually, to my knowledge wiki says they are 23 knots. However, Breyer has them at 28 knots, so I accept the correction.

Wiki actually has two articles on the class. But like I said, I'm assuming that the 28 kts, for fluff purposes, was reached on trials with no stores or ammo on board. 25kts sounds more reasonable(for this same reason my Veneto-analogs will never make it past 30kts...it seems that the Italians had a tendency to do speed trials with an empty load and declare it the top speed, ignoring that that speed would never be attained with a combat load.)

[Karmic Knight]

Mods and Players, would I be allowed to rejoin the game as Quebec?

[Thanas]

^No objection from me as a player.

Or Britain needs a player...

[Thanas]

Lascaris, Gibraltar is still spanish in this TL.

EDIT: *nevermind about the guns, it is probably too small a leap to affect stuff.*