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Detained Americans say they had good intentions in Haiti
CNN wrote:Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- Ten Americans charged with trafficking in Haiti defended their plan to bus 33 children into the Dominican Republic, saying their intention was to get them to a temporary shelter.

"We came into Haiti to help those that really had no other source of help," said Laura Silsby, a member of the group. "We are trusting the truth will be revealed, and we are praying for that."

The five men and five women are from New Life Children's Refuge, an Idaho-based charity. They said they were trying to move the children from Port-au-Prince into the Dominican Republic.

According to the group, the children did not have any passports. Government approval is needed for any Haitian children to leave the country.

A senior U.S. official with direct knowledge of the case said there was no indication of child trafficking.

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"It appears their orphanage was damaged and they were moving the children to their facility in the [Dominican Republic] but failed to obtain exit visas from Haiti," said the official who was not authorized to speak on the record.

The Rev. Clint Henry, the senior pastor with the Central Valley Baptist Church in Meridian, Idaho, told CNN affiliate KIVI that the 10 are part of a group working to establish an orphanage in the Dominican Republic for the youngest victims of the January 12 earthquake that devastated much of the country.

Henry said some of the children had suffered physical injuries and need medical assistance.

"Our team was falsely arrested today, and we are doing everything we can from this end to clear up the misunderstanding that has occurred in Port-au-Prince," a statement on the church's Web site said Saturday night.

The statement said the children were being rescued from "one or more orphanages" that had been damaged in the quake.

Jeanne Bernard-Pierre, general director for Haiti's Institute of Social Welfare, said the children will be interviewed in the coming days to determine whether they have any living relatives.

"When they arrived, some of the children were crying and saying, 'I want to see my parents,'" Bernard-Pierre said.

She said the government's ministry of social affairs will attempt to reunite the children with any family members and provide psychological assistance.

But the group said it believed the children were orphaned, and it was going to house them in a converted hotel in the Dominican Republic. Officials in the country had agreed to allow them in without the required paperwork, Silsby said.

U.S. embassy officials visited the Americans over the weekend at a jail near the airport in Port-au-Prince, where they are being detained. The group said it was being treated well, and was holding on to its faith.

"God is our provider and God gives us strength and comfort," said group member Carla Thompson. "We are having a great time. We have our Bibles and we are OK."
GodDAMN you people are stupid.

Haiti has STOPPED adoption procedures because they were afraid that there was going to be child smugglers around, and on top of that, many children in orphanages in Haiti may still have parents, who are simply to poor to take care of them, and then with the POWAH of GOD these idiots try and take a bus full of kids over the border.

And then the stateside jeebus freaks think that the arrest was falsely? Morons. I hope they throw the book at em. So much stupidity should hurt. Really. Trying to be good people and help the kids is noble, but you simply can't pull this kind of shit without involving authorities of some kind.
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They are missionary n00bs who seem to have no idea what they are doing. Their program is only a year old, but this is typical of well meaning church goers waaaay overstepping their bounds in terms of authority, and pragmatic ability.

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Who said they're just stupid missionaries? Why should we assume that they're telling the truth about their own motives? How do you know they didn't think the chaos of the disaster would be a really convenient environment to bypass all the red tape and bring some kids back to America for cheap?
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There should really be some kind of "relief worker" certification to cut down on this sort of bullshit. If you're some clueless idiot who doesn't know the first thing about disaster relief you shouldn't be allowed to travel to a damaged region like this in the first place.
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Darth Wong wrote:Who said they're just stupid missionaries? Why should we assume that they're telling the truth about their own motives? How do you know they didn't think the chaos of the disaster would be a really convenient environment to bypass all the red tape and bring some kids back to America for cheap?
I really don't think its so chaotic an environment that no one would ask about 100 Haitian children accompanying 10 white Americans. If not on Haiti's end, at LEAST on the US's end. We've been a little picky about immigration lately.

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Especially since we're actually trying to avoid having extremely large numbers of Haitians come into the country on an unregulated basis.

Of course, if they could ever have pulled it off it would be even easier now, since no one is even going to ask what happened to the kids on the Haitian end with so many missing and presumably dead. Real child smugglers would have some way to get the kids into the country, and that would still work at a time like this.
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I doubt it was even possible to obtain "exit visas". The Haitian government has virtually ceased to function on a day-to-day level.
Who said they're just stupid missionaries? Why should we assume that they're telling the truth about their own motives? How do you know they didn't think the chaos of the disaster would be a really convenient environment to bypass all the red tape and bring some kids back to America for cheap?
Why should we assume they're not? There's absolutely no evidence that they were actually trying to engage in people-trafficking. The idea that an established church & religious charity would is engaged in some opportunistic person-smuggling is a pretty extraordinary claim and there's nothing to back that up at all. Everything in the article indicates that this was just a group of people trying to do good badly.
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Garibaldi wrote:I doubt it was even possible to obtain "exit visas". The Haitian government has virtually ceased to function on a day-to-day level.
Who said they're just stupid missionaries? Why should we assume that they're telling the truth about their own motives? How do you know they didn't think the chaos of the disaster would be a really convenient environment to bypass all the red tape and bring some kids back to America for cheap?
Why should we assume they're not? There's absolutely no evidence that they were actually trying to engage in people-trafficking.
Bullshit. They misled the kids and the parents about what they were doing, and they broke international child trafficking laws. I also find it incredibly hard to believe that they honestly thought there was nothing illegal about smuggling undocumented children across a border, given that you're not even supposed to do that with your own children.
The idea that an established church & religious charity would is engaged in some opportunistic person-smuggling is a pretty extraordinary claim and there's nothing to back that up at all. Everything in the article indicates that this was just a group of people trying to do good badly.
How is it so "extraordinary" when we know that they broke the law and misled the children and parents?
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Bullshit. They misled the kids and the parents about what they were doing, and they broke international child trafficking laws. I also find it incredibly hard to believe that they honestly thought there was nothing illegal about smuggling undocumented children across a border, given that you're not even supposed to do that with your own children.


What is your source for the assertion that they misled kids and "parents"? The information provided in the article says that they took the children from a damaged orphanage and were planning to move them into the Dominican Republic. There's nothing saying that they misled the kids, and there's no evidence that they even knew that these kids had parents. There's not even any evidence that these kids DO have living relatives, since a traumatized child asking for his parents is hardly proof of anything.

Secondly, it's actually incredibly EASY to believe they didn't realize they were breaking the law, given the total chaos in the Haitian government and the fact that Dominician Republic officials evidently agreed to waive the requirements. These are naive missionaries from Idaho. They probably couldn't get in touch with the relevant Haitian authorities and assumed that because the DR officials were OK with it that they were legally in the clear.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that these people had any sort of dark motives.
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Bullshit. They misled the kids and the parents about what they were doing, and they broke international child trafficking laws. I also find it incredibly hard to believe that they honestly thought there was nothing illegal about smuggling undocumented children across a border, given that you're not even supposed to do that with your own children.

What is your source for the assertion that they misled kids and "parents"? The information provided in the article says that they took the children from a damaged orphanage and were planning to move them into the Dominican Republic. There's nothing saying that they misled the kids, and there's no evidence that they even knew that these kids had parents. There's not even any evidence that these kids DO have living relatives, since a traumatized child asking for his parents is hardly proof of anything.
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Silsby, 40, admitted she had not obtained the proper Haitian documents for the children, whose names were written on pink tape on their shirts.

The children, ages 2 months to 12 years old, were taken to an orphanage run by Austrian-based SOS Children's Villages, where spokesman George Willeit said they arrived "very hungry, very thirsty."

A 2- to 3-month old baby was dehydrated and had to be hospitalized, he said. An orphanage worker held another, older baby, who was feverish and looked disoriented.

"One (8-year-old) girl was crying, and saying, `I am not an orphan. I still have my parents.' And she thought she was going on a summer camp or a boarding school or something like that," Willeit said.
They obviously didn't bother to tell them what they were doing.
Secondly, it's actually incredibly EASY to believe they didn't realize they were breaking the law, given the total chaos in the Haitian government and the fact that Dominician Republic officials evidently agreed to waive the requirements. These are naive missionaries from Idaho. They probably couldn't get in touch with the relevant Haitian authorities and assumed that because the DR officials were OK with it that they were legally in the clear.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that these people had any sort of dark motives.
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Garibaldi wrote: Secondly, it's actually incredibly EASY to believe they didn't realize they were breaking the law, given the total chaos in the Haitian government and the fact that Dominician Republic officials evidently agreed to waive the requirements. These are naive missionaries from Idaho. They probably couldn't get in touch with the relevant Haitian authorities and assumed that because the DR officials were OK with it that they were legally in the clear.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that these people had any sort of dark motives.
Oh fucking come on. How fucking imbicilic do you have to be to believe that as long as you have the permission from the country you're bringing the kids TO, but not from the country you're taking them FROM, that everything is allright?

That is some Grade A+ stupidity right there.

I'm not willing to automatically ascribe malevolence to these guys, but if they're not malevolent, they're certainly stupid enough that reality needs to give them a good hard kick in the privates. Either way, the book NEEDS to be thrown at these clowns.
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Haitian P.M.: Americans 'Knew What They Were Doing Was Wrong'
Fox News wrote:PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — Haiti's prime minister says it's clear to him that the 10 U.S. Baptists who tried to take 33 Haitian children out of the quake-ravaged country "knew what they were doing was wrong."

Prime Minister Max Bellerive also tells The Associated Press his country is open to having the Americans tried in the United States.

Bellerive says some of the children have parents who are alive. The government is attempting to locate them.

He says a judicial system needs to determine whether the Americans were acting in good faith — as they claim — or are child traffickers.

The Americans are mostly from Idaho. They have been held since being arrested Friday trying to enter the Dominican Republic with the children.

Haiti's communications minister says the Americans might have to face justice in the United States because Haiti's court system has been crippled by the Jan. 12 earthquake.

Lawyer Jorge Puello in the Dominican Republic says the Americans are crammed in a small room at at Haiti's judicial police headquarters. He claims they have not been given adequate medical care and food.

Meanwhile the Americans say they were just trying to do the right thing, applying Christian principles to save Haitian children.

Prime Minister Max Bellerive told The Associated Press Sunday he was outraged by the group's "illegal trafficking of children" in a country long afflicted by the scourge and by foreign meddling.

But the hard reality on the ground in this desperately poor country — especially after the catastrophic Jan. 12 quake — is that some parents openly attest to their willingness to part with their children if it will mean a better life.

It was a sentiment expressed by all but one of some 20 Haitian parents interviewed at a tent camp Sunday that teemed with children whose toys were hewn from garbage.

"Some parents I know have already given their children to foreigners," said Adonis Helman, 44. "I've been thinking how I will choose which one I may give — probably my youngest."

Haiti's overwhelmed government has halted all adoptions unless they were in motion before the quake amid fears that parentless or lost children are more vulnerable than ever to being seized and sold.

Without proper documents and concerted efforts to track down their parents, they could be forever separated from family members able and willing to care for them. Bellerive's personal authorization is now required for the departure of any child.

The orphanage where the children were later taken said at least some of the kids have living parents, who were apparently told that the children were going on an extended holiday from the post-quake misery.


The church group's own mission statement said it planned to spend only hours in the devastated capital, quickly identifying children without immediate families and busing them to a rented hotel in the Dominican Republic without bothering to get permission from the Haitian government.[/b]

Whatever its intentions, other child welfare organizations in Haiti called the plan reckless.

"The instinct to swoop in and rescue children may be a natural impulse but it cannot be the solution for the tens of thousands of children left vulnerable by the Haiti earthquake," said Deb Barry, a protection expert at Save the Children, which wants a moratorium on new adoptions. "The possibility of a child being scooped up and mistakenly labeled an orphan in the chaotic aftermath of the disaster is incredibly high."

The church members, most from Idaho, said they were only trying to rescue abandoned and traumatized children.

"In this chaos the government is in right now, we were just trying to do the right thing," the group's spokeswoman, Laura Silsby, told the AP at Haiti's judicial police headquarters, where she and others were taken after their arrest Friday night trying to cross the border into the Dominican Republic in a bus.

Silsby, 40, admitted she had not obtained the proper Haitian documents for the children, whose names were written on pink tape on their shirts.

The children, ages 2 months to 12 years old, were taken to an orphanage run by Austrian-based SOS Children's Villages, where spokesman George Willeit said they arrived "very hungry, very thirsty."

A 2- to 3-month old baby was dehydrated and had to be hospitalized, he said. An orphanage worker held and caressed another, older baby, who was feverish and looked disoriented.

"One (8-year-old) girl was crying, and saying, 'I am not an orphan. I still have my parents.' And she thought she was going on a summer camp or a boarding school or something like that," Willeit said.

The orphanage was working to reunite the children with their families, joining a concerted effort by the Haitian government, the United Nations, the International Committee of the Red Cross and other NGOs.

Willeit said a woman from the group had spent time in Port-au-Prince prior to the quake winning the trust of people in a neighborhood whose children were taken.

In Idaho, the Rev. Clint Henry denied that his Central Valley Baptist Church had anything to do with child trafficking and said he didn't believe such reports. He urged his tearful congregation to pray to God to "help them as they seek to resist the accusations of Satan and the lies that he would want them to believe and the fears that he would want to plant into their heart."

As the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, Haiti is in a difficult spot — it needs aid, but deeply resents foreign meddling. Many have mixed feelings toward Christian groups that funnel hundreds of millions into missions in Haiti.

"There are many who come here with religious ideas that belong more in the time of the inquisition," said Max Beauvoir, head of Haiti's Voodoo Priest's Association, which represents thousands of priests and priestesses. "These types of people believe they need to save our souls and our bodies from ourselves. We need compassion, not proselytizing now, and we need aid — not just aid going to people of the Christian faith."

Two-thirds of Haiti's 9 million are said to practice Voodoo, a melange of beliefs from parts of west Africa and Catholicism.

Many religious groups run legitimate adoption agencies and orphanages in Haiti. Some of the children in them aren't actually orphans, but have been left by relatives who can't afford their care.

The parents interviewed at the tent camp said they understood giving their kids up may mean never seeing them again.

"I see all these kids running around and I can't do anything for them," said Joseph Emmanuel Amazon, 53, a laborer who struggles to support seven kids. "They would be better off in another country. I'd like one of them to go to the United States."

His wife, Marie Rita Pierre, agreed: "My youngest daughter wants to go to university. We can't help her"

Silsby told the AP that she hadn't been following news reports while in Haiti, and didn't think she needed Haitian permission to take them out of the country. She said they only had the best of intentions and paid no money for the children, who she said were brought to a Haitian pastor by distant relatives.

Silsby, who incorporated the nonprofit New Life Children's Refuge in Idaho on Nov. 25, said she could not provide a contact number for the pastor who put her in touch with the relatives because her papers and cell phone were taken by police.

Child trafficking "is exactly what we are trying to combat," Silsby said.

Sean Lankford of Meridian, Idaho, whose wife and 18-year-old daughter were being held, told the AP that U.S. consular officials told him a court hearing was scheduled for Monday. The Americans were being held at judicial police headquarters.

However, Haiti's justice secretary, Amarick Louis, told the AP on Sunday that a commission would meet Monday to determine if the group would go before a judge.

The Americans include members of the Central Valley Baptist Church in Meridian, Idaho, and the East Side Baptist Church in Twin Falls, Idaho. They are part of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is America's largest Protestant denomination and has extensive humanitarian programs worldwide.

The Idaho churches had elaborate plans before the earthquake to shelter up to 200 Haitian and Dominican boys and girls in the Magante beach resort, complete with a school and chapel as well as villas and a seaside cafe catering to adoptive U.S. parents.

Henry, the senior pastor, said the 500-member church wanted to help "because we believe that Christ has asked us to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to the whole world, and that includes children." He said church members had given several thousand dollars to the mission.

When the quake hit, Silsby and her team decided to move faster.

Silsby, who runs an online shopping site in Idaho, quickly put their plan on Web site, soliciting tax-deductible donations while preparing their trip.
Some VERY interesting parts highlighted, especially the bit where parents were apparently told that "the children were going on an extended holiday from the post-quake misery".

So yeah, this is starting to stink more and more.

I also like the Voodoo priests remarks. Fuck proselytizing, we need HELP!
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I will note whether or not they had plans for it that the adoption business IS very lucrative and there have been child-selling rings in many countries to adopt off to parents in richer countries. The adoptive parents can pay up to $20,000 to adopt a baby. Though really, considering how common financial crimes like embezzlement are in these churches (and they usually get away with it because they magically think the church can do no wrong and nothing wrong can happen in it) I really wouldn't be surprised if there were dealings planned to sell the children off. Usually the stronger their ridiculous rhetoric, the more guilty they are, and they're claiming it's all Satan's lies.

I will also note that I have never had anything positive to say about a Southern Baptist church, and for good reason.
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They are missionary n00bs who seem to have no idea what they are doing. Their program is only a year old, but this is typical of well meaning church goers waaaay overstepping their bounds in terms of authority, and pragmatic ability.
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Few thoughts:

They may be part of a legitimate charity organization but that means it was their responsibility and duty to adhere to all relevant laws. You can find something to admire in the THEORY of taking children out of the abject poverty that is sure to encompass many and already does for most in Haiti BUT you can't just go yanking kids away from their homes because you think it will be better for them.

It is a gross breach of their duty to simply have taken kids as they chose and then attempting to leave knowing (or at the least they should have known) without proper documents and authority. It smacks very highly of forced conversion and the worst episodes of the early settlement of the Americas in terms of forcibly separating children from their homeland and parents because of some "noble motive."
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"One (8-year-old) girl was crying, and saying, `I am not an orphan. I still have my parents.' And she thought she was going on a summer camp or a boarding school or something like that," Willeit said.
Kinda says all we need to know, doesn't it? Assuming this is a accurate statement and I see no reason to disbelieve it at this point.
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Seems to me like typical a missionary viewpoint that anything they do is justified because they're bringing the word of god to the godless heathens.

Sorry, not good enough - Haiti is enormously concerned with the possibility of child trafficking, with good reason. If you're legit, you obey the laws. You tell the the truth to relatives and parents. Haiti did speed up the processing for legitimate adoptions but even there the proper paperwork had to be in place. Sorry - either these people are ignorant and stupid, or they're the dupes of child traffickers, or they are child traffickers. None of the above are acceptable.
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Some more on this matter:

From the New York Times:
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — Ten Americans who tried to take 33 Haitian children out of the country last week without the government’s consent have been charged with child abduction and criminal conspiracy, as Haitian officials sought to reassert judicial control after the Jan. 12 earthquake.

The Americans, most of them members of a Baptist congregation from Idaho, had said they intended to rescue Haitian children left parentless in the quake and take them to what they described as an orphanage across the border in the Dominican Republic. But they acknowledged failing to seek approval to remove the children from Haiti, and several of the children have at least one living parent.

The Americans will face a potentially extended legal proceeding in Haiti and could, if convicted, face prison terms of up to 15 years.

In a sign of the cloudy nature of the case, the prosecutor, Mazar Fortil, decided not to pursue what could have been the most serious charge against the group, that of trafficking. The charges will now be considered by an investigative judge, who has up to three months to decide whether to pursue the matter further.

The leader of the group, Laura Silsby, a businesswoman who describes herself as a missionary as well, has also come under scrutiny at home in Idaho, where employees complain of unpaid wages and the state has placed liens on her company bank account.


The lawyer for the group, Edwin Coq, said after a hearing on Thursday that 9 of his 10 clients were “completely innocent,” but that, apparently in a reference to Ms. Silsby, “If the judiciary were to keep one, it could be the leader of the group.”

The Haitian capital lost courthouses, judges, lawyers and its main prison in the earthquake, straining the judiciary along with everything else. Prosecutors said this was the first criminal case to receive a hearing in Port-au-Prince since the natural disaster.

The hearing took place in a hilltop courthouse that had minor cracks in the walls and scores of squatters living outside. A crush of journalists sought access to the defendants on their way into the courthouse, where police officers in riot gear prevented access.

The Americans were transported in two Haitian police vehicles — one labeled “Child Protection Brigade” — from the police station where they have been held since the weekend to Port-au-Prince’s main criminal courthouse. Mr. Coq said beforehand that their immediate release was possible, and the police who transported the detainees took their luggage to the hearing as well in case they were to be freed.

Ms. Silsby, who had helped organize the group’s mission, sounded a hopeful note as she waited to be taken into court, saying, “We’re just trusting God for a positive outcome.”

But during the hearing, Jean Ferge Joseph, a deputy prosecutor, told the Americans that their case was not being dropped and that it would be sent to a judge for further review.

“That judge can free you, but he can also continue to hold you for further proceedings,” the deputy prosecutor said, according to Reuters.

When they received the news, the Americans did not appear distraught, Mr. Coq, their lawyer, said. “They prayed,” he said. “They looked down and prayed.”

Reuters, which had a reporter in the session, said that all 10 of the detainees acknowledged to the prosecutor that they had apparently violated the law when they tried to take the children from Haiti, although they said they were unaware of that until after they were detained.

“We did not have any intention to violate the law, but now we understand it’s a crime,” said Paul Robert Thompson, a pastor who led the group in prayer during a break in the session.

Ms. Silsby asked the prosecutor not only to release the group, whose members range in age from 18 to 55, but also to allow them to continue their work in Haiti.

“We simply wanted to help the children,” she said. “We petition the court not only for our freedom, but also for our ability to continue to help.”

As they were led out of the courthouse one by one for their return to jail, some of the Americans smiled as reporters surrounded them. They left without comment.

The Americans were arrested last Friday as they tried to take the 33 children by bus to the Dominican Republic, where they said they were in the process of leasing or building an orphanage. It is unclear if the group had arranged for someplace to house the children in the Dominican Republic.

A Web site for the group, the New Life Children’s Refuge, said that the Haitian children there would stay in a “loving Christian homelike environment” and be eligible for adoption through agencies in the United States
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Nevermind that at least several of the children still had living parents, who had apparently been told this was some kind of summer camp arrangement or education situation where the parents would be allowed to visit whenever they wanted. Imagine - you send your kid out of a ravaged area to a "summer camp", only to return to find out they have been given to someone else, are no longer your kid, and are now living in a foreign country.... I'm not a parent but it makes me sick to my stomach. Can't imagine how actual parents would feel.
The children are being taken care of now at SOS Children’s Villages, an Austrian-run orphanage in Port-au-Prince.

The Americans and members of their churches have said that they are innocent of any wrongdoing, and described the case as a misunderstanding. In an interview this week, Ms. Silsby said the group had come to Haiti to rescue children orphaned by the earthquake, and that “our hearts were in the right place.”
I'm sorry - even if you unintentionally break the law there is still a "wrongdoing" involved. They might be innocent of malicious intent, but clearly they are guilty of breaking the law that requires an exit visa to take a child out of Haiti.
But some of the children had living parents, and some of those parents said that the Baptists had promised simply to educate the youngsters in the Dominican Republic and to allow them to return to Haiti to visit.
Like I said - imagine sending your kid off to school, then finding out they've been given (or worse yet, sold) to someone else.
Ms. Silsby had made her intentions known to child protection officials, human rights experts and Dominican authorities in Haiti, all of whom warned her that she could be charged with trafficking if she tried to take children out of the country without proper documentation.
In other words the stupid bitch was warned repeatedly that she was fucking up but clearly she didn't care. I don't know if it was genuine stupidity or she just didn't take the foreign colored people seriously or what. I'm guessing she assumed Haiti was in enough chaos she could do whatever the fuck she wanted without consequence. Sucks to be her.
Some Haitian leaders have called the Americans kidnappers, but their case has created divisions. Outside the courthouse on Thursday, one onlooker backed the Americans. “The process they followed was wrong, but they were not stealing kids,” said Béatrice St.-Julien. “They came here to help us.”

Until Thursday, Haitian judicial officials had left open the possibility that the group could be returned to the United States for trial, sparing Haiti’s crippled justice system a high-profile criminal prosecution fraught with diplomatic and political land mines.

American officials have talked with Haitian judicial authorities about the case, but it is unclear exactly how much lobbying Washington is doing behind the scenes to affect the outcome. The State Department has said that whether to pursue charges for any possible violations of Haitian law remains a Haitian decision.

One expert said that by pursuing the case Haitian authorities seemed to be trying to make a point.

“Haiti’s decision to prosecute the Baptist missionaries may be motivated, in part, by the need to show its own people and the world that it is a viable entity that is tackling the grave problem of international child abductions in Haiti,” Christopher J. Schmidt, a lawyer with Bryan Cave L.L.P. in St. Louis who has been involved in multiple cases of international kidnapping, said in a statement.
Anyhow, here's an article on Silsby's problems back home:
MERIDIAN, Idaho — The leader of the group of Americans charged on Thursday with abducting children in Haiti is an Idaho businesswoman with a complicated financial history that involves complaints from employees over unpaid wages, state liens on a company bank account and lawsuits in small claims court.

The leader, Laura Silsby, defaulted last July on the mortgage on a house in an unfinished subdivision here in Meridian, a suburb of Boise, according to the Ada County Tax Assessor’s Office. Yet in November, Ms. Silsby registered a new nonprofit, the New Life Children’s Refuge, at the address of the house, which she bought in 2008 for $358,000.


New Life Children’s Refuge is the name of the orphanage Ms. Silsby and the nine other Americans charged in Haiti said they had planned to establish in the Dominican Republic.

Ms. Silsby lost the house in Meridian to foreclosure on Dec. 7, records show, and it now stands empty, with signs in the yard promoting a foreclosure sale.
But, apparently, she is still running a business out of it. Or something. Using the address of a property she no longer owns - that just doesn't sound kosher.
“I get mail for her all the time,” said LaChelle Bohner, who lives two doors down from the house. Ms. Bohner said the mail included collection notices.

Ms. Silsby and her business, Personal Shopper, which provides shopping services for Internet customers, have faced multiple legal claims.

According to state records and officials, Personal Shopper has been named 14 times in complaints from employees over unpaid wages. Among the reasons cited by the employees for having not been paid were “no money for payroll” and “fully investor funded and investors have been hit hard by the economy.”

Employees won nine of the cases,
forcing Personal Shopper to pay nearly $31,000 in wages and $4,000 in fines. The Idaho Department of Labor initially put liens on a company bank account to get the money.

“They didn’t like that so they said: ‘How much do we owe? We’ll pay it,’ ” said Bob Fick, a spokesman for the department, adding that unpaid wage complaints were not uncommon.

State officials said Personal Shopper had paid all the wage claims upheld by the state. But another former employee has sued Personal Shopper in civil court. A jury trial is set for Feb. 22 over a claim by the employee, Robin Oliver, that Personal Shopper owes her more than $22,000.

A lawyer for Ms. Silsby said Thursday that he could not comment on the case.

One of the people awarded unpaid wages was Chris Holmes, who said he was not surprised that Ms. Silsby had run into trouble in Haiti. Mr. Holmes, who did database work, said Ms. Silsby often showed a “lack of forethought,” shifting business models to suit the investors who kept the company afloat.

“She would come up with an idea on Wednesday, and on Friday there would be a new idea that was 180 degrees different,” Mr. Holmes said.
Looks like this woman's problems didn't start in Haiti. Apparently she's played fast and loose with laws before.

You know, it takes a special type of slimeball to not pay wages. I'm losing what little sympathy I had for this bitch. She sounds like a con artist of some sort.
In 2006, Ms. Silsby received a Femtor Award for “Businesswoman of the Year”; the awards are sponsored by the eWomenNetwork, a group that promotes women and their businesses.

Ms. Silsby, who has young children in Idaho, was divorced in 2007. She and her former husband lived in Meridian, but public records were not clear about where she currently resides.

The offices of Personal Shopper, in an office park in Meridian, have been shuttered this week, with mail dating to at least last week stacked on the floor.

Clint Henry, pastor of Central Valley Baptist Church in Meridian, where five of the Americans charged in Haiti attend services, said Ms. Silsby had attended his church for about two years.

“You wouldn’t find any finer Christian people than these people,” Mr. Henry said in an interview earlier this week.
That's an incredibly low standard for Christians, if you ask me. If I was a Christian I'd be embarrassed by a statement like that.
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I also just saw a similar article to the one on Silby, and I won't reproduce it here because it's basically the same as yours, except this one has this little gem:
According to a document from Ms. Silsby and Ms. Coulter describing New Life, it is "dedicated to rescuing, loving and caring for orphaned, abandoned and impoverished Haitian and Dominican children, demonstrating God's love and helping each child find healing, hope, joy and new life in Christ."
Emphasis mine.

With the above and the stuff from your articles, there is no doubt at all what plans they had in mind for these kids, eh?
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It goes without saying that this is a real shame. Some people sadly seem to enjoy taking advantage of a natural disaster to further their own little pet goals from time to time and this was no exception. No doubt they thought it was the right course of action. In their heads they are probably saving those children and helping them along the path of salvation.
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At this point I wish Haiti was able to simply say to all incoming aid workers: "Anyone found to be proselytizing will be expelled from the country."

The problem is that with the vulnerable state Haiti is in, this probably isn't practical.
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In a lot of places, getting up to this kind of shit when the whole country is strained for resources could be a fast ticket an appointment with the hangman or a firing squad, foreigner or no. Depending on the place, even more likely if you were a foreigner.

Just toss the bitch in jail and throw away the key.
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more oppression of conservative christians just becuase you won't let them break the law, in the name of their warrior christ vision. What you can't sell children in the name of the lord?, surely Leviticus says you can, what's next not being allowed to murder doctors?
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What the hell is this woman doing in Haiti, anyway? She is divorced, has all kinds of financial problems AND has 2 "young children" of her own, presumably in the US. They may live with their father, perhaps with a grandparent, but still. An individual with the kind of financial issues she has doesn't belong in a foreign country. Certainly not with those kinds of responsibilities at home in Idaho. And that's assuming her intentions were really in the right place, religion aside. Either she is there to do some good (albeit naively), or she's there trying to make some money for herself. And I cannot believe she is that naive.
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This is a good example of the danger of an indoctrinated Christian society. Even though this thing stinks to high heaven, a lot of people wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. And maybe they didn't even consciously realize it, but they probably felt this way because they self-declared as Christian missionaries. This instantly generates a lot of positive associations among Christians, who will suddenly have words like "sincere", "trying to help", "idealistic", etc come to mind. And based on what? Nothing more than a self-declaration of intent?

If these people had tried to sell these exact same bullshit excuses and flimsy handwaving without playing the Christian card, how many people in North America would have been so generous in granting them the benefit of the doubt? How many would have felt that there is any doubt at all?
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