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Haiti awash in Christian aid, evangelism
In quake crisis, there were sure to be some ungodly fumbles
By Kari Huus
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updated 2:13 p.m. ET, Tues., Feb. 9, 2010


The horrific destruction and human suffering in Haiti exert an almost irresistible pull on U.S. Christian missionaries eager to help. But as the jailing last week of 10 missionaries from a small Baptist church in Idaho illustrates, best intentions don’t always translate into good deeds in the chaotic aftermath of the monster earthquake.

Many mission groups provide essential services for Haitians — indeed some have evolved into key service providers, working alongside nonprofit groups and the U.N. to fill gaps that the Haitian government can’t fill.

But other missions, even when well-meaning, risk running afoul of Haiti’s culture and laws.

“There’s an issue that is coming up a lot right now,” said Laurent Dubois, a professor of history and romance studies at Duke University and an expert on Haiti. “It’s the difference between wanting to help and being able to do good. Most don’t speak any Creole, or have the cultural knowledge. … (As a result) they are going to be very surprised by what they see in Haiti.”

Patrick McCormick, a spokesman for UNICEF, said that in the case of the Idaho church members, naiveté apparently blinded them to the legal implications of their actions. They were charged with kidnapping after being accused of trying to take 33 Haitian children across the border to the Dominican Republic without proper documentation.

“Just because there’s a natural disaster, you don’t start cutting corners on a serious and complicated process like international adoption,” he said.

Haiti has been a popular destination for missionaries at least since 1804, when Haitians threw off French rule. Catholicism, which had been imposed on them by the colonial power, was left on an uncertain footing, and the country became a spiritual battleground. Various Christian denominations and sects aimed to win converts and prevent Haitians from reverting to Voodoo, a religion adapted from the beliefs of their African ancestors.

“Every church and mission group has a presence in Haiti,” said Wendy Norvelle, spokeswoman for the International Mission Board, which supports foreign missions for the Southern Baptist Church. “It’s very, very, very saturated with those who would want to go and share God’s love and do hands-on ministries providing humanitarian relief.”

There’s no comprehensive count of missionaries in Haiti, because they are dispatched by so many different groups, and the number is always changing.

Before the earthquake, there were about 1,700 long-term, professional missionaries in Haiti, according to Bert Hickman, research associate at the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Mass. He said that number is about average for Latin and South American countries with populations similar to Haiti’s 10 million.

But that count doesn’t include the thousands of American missionaries who go to Haiti each year on trips that last just a few weeks or a few months, drawn by Haiti’s extreme poverty and its proximity, just a two-hour flight from Miami.

Some of these missionaries go on their own. Some are sponsored by churches or denominations, or through groups like Campus Crusade for Christ, which sends college students all over the world. Since the quake, there has been another wave of trips thrown together by churches to help needy Haitians and to check on mission properties supported by their churches.

What they do

Their missions vary. Some are there exclusively to evangelize and “plant churches.” Indeed, even small villages in Haiti will sometimes have six or seven churches built by missionaries of different denominations.

Others prefer to convey their faith though deeds rather than words: digging wells, filling teeth or teaching soil conservation, for instance.

This is the spirit espoused by members of Lifechurch, a nondenominational church profiled by msnbc.com last month when members rushed to Haiti to check on the orphanage they run in Port-au-Prince. The Allentown, Pa., church regularly sends congregation members on missions to the developing world to install water filtration systems and build school cafeterias, playgrounds and clinics.

“Our main focus is to … show the people we really care about them,” said church business administrator David Jones. “If we have time to talk about Jesus then we do it. (But) our philosophy is that you cannot effectively evangelize if you don’t show you care by dealing with people’s real needs.”

The desire to help the most vulnerable of Haiti’s earthquake victims — its children — is especially strong.

U.S. churches run and support hundreds of orphanages and schools in the country.

Even before the quake, an estimated 15 percent of all children in Haiti were said to be orphaned or abandoned. About 200,000 of these children lived in institutions, and the rest were fostered, living with relatives or living on the street. That number has risen sharply since the quake, though it is not clear by how much.

The huge population of vulnerable kids makes them susceptible to abuse, including the trafficking of Haitian children into the sex trade and slavery.

Missionaries, aid workers and U.N. peacekeepers have been implicated in such crimes. In a U.S. federal court on Feb. 2, a Colorado missionary who has worked at a school for Haitian street children, faced charges of sexually abusing up to 18 boys in Haiti, luring them with cash and other rewards, and threatening them with expulsion if they did not comply.

Seeing even greater risk in the chaos after the earthquake, Haiti’s government issued a warning to foreigners who were working with Haitian children not to rush adoptions and not to take them out of the country without complete legal documentation. UNICEF called for measures to prevent children from disappearing and potentially falling prey to traffickers. And the U.S. State Department has warned that children could fall victim to pedophiles.

Vying for souls

In Haiti, many Christian and nondenominational groups work together, but there are rivalries as well.

Some, evangelical Protestants in particular, are in a pitched battle with Voodoo in Haiti, which they view as satanic. As evangelist Pat Robertson put it shortly after the earthquake, Haitians’ adherence to Voodoo was a “pact with the devil” that caused the disaster.

Some Protestants also are vying for the souls of Catholic Haitians. The rivalry is in part a reflection of a historical global competition between the major Christian groups. But it is heightened because many Haitian Catholics also observe Voodoo traditions.

“Most Voodoo ceremonies begin with Catholic prayers,” says Dubois of Duke University. “At this point Catholic priests don’t spend much energy trying to stop Voodoo.”

That doesn’t sit well with groups like Campus Crusade for Christ, which includes this description of Haiti’s spiritual landscape on its Web site:

“An estimated 75 percent of Catholics are also increasingly involved in voodoo, spiritism and witchcraft. … The steady growth of Protestant churches in the difficult economic and spiritual climate is cause for praise.”

Christian missions also sometimes come into conflict with other aid efforts in the country.

Bryan Schaaf, a former Peace Corps worker, said he ran into all kinds of missionaries when he was living in Haiti from 2000 to 2002. He recalled one American missionary man living in his village who quietly visited rural areas and helped Haitians build wells.

“They built this large network of wells that wouldn’t otherwise have been there,” said Schaaf. “It was a missionary family that was well accepted by the community, and using sound development principals.”

Purging evil, providing water

On the other hand, he said, another American missionary family in the village seemed to focus on countering his own efforts in health education. After he talked to young people in the village about birth control and prevention of AIDS, which is epidemic among Haitian youth, Schaaf learned that the missionaries were following up with a message of their own.

“They would hold prayer circles with these adolescents to purge the evil thoughts of condoms from their minds,” he said.

Schaaf, who is back in the States and spends his spare time running a nonprofit consultancy called Haiti Innovation, derided missionaries who lack understanding or respect for Haitian culture and treat the country as their “spiritual sandbox.”

“I wish I could tell you I was surprised; I’m really not,” he said of the 10 American missionaries being held in Haiti. “Many missionaries come in and think they are in a position of authority.”

Some provide vital aid

But Schaaf was quick to point out that many of the missionary organizations are not only respectful, but provide essential services.

Some relief organizations that have been pivotal since the quake in Haiti were founded on faith, he said, citing groups like Catholic Relief Services and Episcopal Relief and Development fund. Other groups started out evangelizing and emerged as key providers of services.

For example, he said, Partners in Health, founded by an Episcopal priest in 1987 as a community clinic, has grown into the largest medical complex in Haiti.

In this case, the conviction and willingness to work with the community turned this faith-based operation into the best medical facility in Haiti and created a model that has been replicated throughout the developing world, he said.

Or, as he put it: “No priest, no PIH.”
This is infuriating. While some of these groups are mostly inoffensive (like "Lifechurch"), then you have this sort of thing:

“They would hold prayer circles with these adolescents to purge the evil thoughts of condoms from their minds,”

That is, of course, exactly the wrong sort of horrible (and criminal, as far as I'm concerned) misinformation they do not need in places like Haiti.

If it were up to me, proselytizing groups would be barred from aid work. The Haitians are in desperate need of help and cannot afford to refuse any aid. These preachers coming into a culture they don't understand trying to impose their beliefs on a vulnerable population.

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"But as the jailing last week of 10 missionaries from a small Baptist church in Idaho illustrates, best intentions don’t always translate into good deeds in the chaotic aftermath of the monster earthquake."
Best intentions my arse. There is absolutely no evidence that these guys were legit, and they are in jail now for trying deception. That is NOT "best intentions". :evil:
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Nothing new or terribly surprising, disasters draw Christian Missionaries like shit draws flies. Lots of suffering means people are emotionally vulnerable and easily manipulated by anyone promising to make things better.
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“Most Voodoo ceremonies begin with Catholic prayers,” says Dubois of Duke University. “At this point Catholic priests don’t spend much energy trying to stop Voodoo.”

That doesn’t sit well with groups like Campus Crusade for Christ, which includes this description of Haiti’s spiritual landscape on its Web site:

“An estimated 75 percent of Catholics are also increasingly involved in voodoo, spiritism and witchcraft. … The steady growth of Protestant churches in the difficult economic and spiritual climate is cause for praise.”
A foolish endeavour. Voodoo and syncretism is ingrained into the Haitian culture so strongly that I doubt that Protestants will make much headway. They'd be better off spending their money helping people.
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hongi wrote:
“Most Voodoo ceremonies begin with Catholic prayers,” says Dubois of Duke University. “At this point Catholic priests don’t spend much energy trying to stop Voodoo.”

That doesn’t sit well with groups like Campus Crusade for Christ, which includes this description of Haiti’s spiritual landscape on its Web site:

“An estimated 75 percent of Catholics are also increasingly involved in voodoo, spiritism and witchcraft. … The steady growth of Protestant churches in the difficult economic and spiritual climate is cause for praise.”
A foolish endeavour. Voodoo and syncretism is ingrained into the Haitian culture so strongly that I doubt that Protestants will make much headway. They'd be better off spending their money helping people.
Depends on who they convert, though, I imagine most brands of Protestantism aren't going to penetrate too deeply into Haiti. Catholicism does because of both historical inertia and it's easy to combine Saints and Loa into one's prayer rituals.

Plus, I imagine the similarities between Holy Roller brands of Christianity and Voudoun rituals are going to make them just go right back to Voudoun with maybe a few "praise Jesus!" and "amen!" shouts thrown in.
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Honestly, a large part of what first interested me in studying history was being able to understand the way things are today. For instance, studying the history of fundamentalism and evangelicalism allowed me to understand how my parents got the way they are; same with creationism.

The more I study history, the more upset I become with people who do things like this without understanding a people group's history or culture. We effed up in Iraq for largely that reason (along with a large does of imperialism). A lot of people in the United States have horrible misconceptions of Islam and of Muslim culture, and of why the Jews and Arabs are in conflict. A proper knowledge of history dispels these myths and misunderstandings. And for this reason, the state of history education in this country literally makes me angry.

That said, I find the difference between English and French missionaries in the 1600s and 1700s fascinating; while the English Protestants tried to convert the Native Americans by having them live in "Praying towns," wearing English clothing and living in English houses, the French Catholic priests went and lived with the Native Americans, tried to understand their culture, and then told them about Jesus in a way that made sense in their culture, combining Christianity with Native American spiritual practices. I think that the connections between this and the present day situation in Haiti should be clear...
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hongi wrote:
“Most Voodoo ceremonies begin with Catholic prayers,” says Dubois of Duke University. “At this point Catholic priests don’t spend much energy trying to stop Voodoo.”

That doesn’t sit well with groups like Campus Crusade for Christ, which includes this description of Haiti’s spiritual landscape on its Web site:

“An estimated 75 percent of Catholics are also increasingly involved in voodoo, spiritism and witchcraft. … The steady growth of Protestant churches in the difficult economic and spiritual climate is cause for praise.”
A foolish endeavour. Voodoo and syncretism is ingrained into the Haitian culture so strongly that I doubt that Protestants will make much headway. They'd be better off spending their money helping people.
Yes, but the kind of protestants that worry about the voodoo aren't primarily concerned about helping people in this world. For them, it's all about saving souls from eternal damnation, which is a higher priority. Helping people is fine only if it leads to their conversion to Real True Christianity.
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Disgusting. Even those that provide practical aid seem to do it in the hopes of gaining converts. What about aiding people because it is the right thing to do? Nah, fuck it, let's aid them so we can reap some sort of benefit.

Its funny how I could be accused of bias aganist religious groups, but they don't fail to make some horrible blunder during disasters (Like a group of nuns that took their truck full of food and medicines and left when the people they were meant to help wouldn't convert to their religion. I think it happened during the latest Tsunami disaster).

What is even funnier, is that they are digging their own grave here, causing the local population to resent them for this.
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This is why christian morality is better; they see the profit motive even in humanitarian efforts.

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LordOskuro wrote:Disgusting. Even those that provide practical aid seem to do it in the hopes of gaining converts. What about aiding people because it is the right thing to do? Nah, fuck it, let's aid them so we can reap some sort of benefit.
Keep in mind that in their frame of reference, it's the converts who benefit, not the missionaries. If you're an evangelical Protestant missionary, you're already saved so long as you keep thinking Godly thoughts till the day you die. You don't get extra karma-points for converting outsiders, and even if you did it wouldn't help you, because salvation is a pass-fail test, and you've already passed.

It's all the poor benighted heathens out there who are going to Hell, and they are the ones you're trying to convert. So in the missionary's frame of reference he's doing them a favor, for no real reward of his own except the knowledge that he's done a favor.

Granted, we don't see the conversion as a form of help because we think the whole question of "is this person saved?" is irrelevant or meaningless. Granted, they're being annoying jackasses who tend to make their tangible help conditional on their idea of what "spiritual" help is.

But it's flatly not true, by and large, to claim that they're trying to benefit themselves, because their religion offers no mechanism by which converting others actually does you any good that you didn't already earn just by joining the religion and staying home.
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LordOskuro wrote:Disgusting. Even those that provide practical aid seem to do it in the hopes of gaining converts. What about aiding people because it is the right thing to do? Nah, fuck it, let's aid them so we can reap some sort of benefit.
Keep in mind that in their frame of reference, it's the converts who benefit, not the missionaries. If you're an evangelical Protestant missionary, you're already saved so long as you keep thinking Godly thoughts till the day you die. You don't get extra karma-points for converting outsiders, and even if you did it wouldn't help you, because salvation is a pass-fail test, and you've already passed.

It's all the poor benighted heathens out there who are going to Hell, and they are the ones you're trying to convert. So in the missionary's frame of reference he's doing them a favor, for no real reward of his own except the knowledge that he's done a favor.

Granted, we don't see the conversion as a form of help because we think the whole question of "is this person saved?" is irrelevant or meaningless. Granted, they're being annoying jackasses who tend to make their tangible help conditional on their idea of what "spiritual" help is.

But it's flatly not true, by and large, to claim that they're trying to benefit themselves, because their religion offers no mechanism by which converting others actually does you any good that you didn't already earn just by joining the religion and staying home.
You're ignoring the most obvious "benefit" to themselves for converting people. Converting people means they're doing God's work, which means that it's more likely they'll wind up in heaven, because hey, God likes people that do things for him.
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And you're ignoring what they actually believe.

The evangelical Protestants don't believe in salvation by works. It's salvation by faith, or nothing: you have faith and you are saved, or you don't and you aren't. They already believe that they are saved; all they have to do is maintain in order to get the big prize. And they think people can maintain at that level without doing missionary work.

Doing God's work is, they believe, well and good. But they don't think you need to do it to go to Heaven- doing it without being "saved" will not get you there, and just living an ordinary life while being "saved" will.

I can't speak for the Catholic angle on this, because I am not as familiar with that, but we seem to be focusing on the Protestant ones here.
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Simon_Jester wrote:And you're ignoring what they actually believe.

The evangelical Protestants don't believe in salvation by works. It's salvation by faith, or nothing: you have faith and you are saved, or you don't and you aren't. They already believe that they are saved; all they have to do is maintain in order to get the big prize. And they think people can maintain at that level without doing missionary work.

Doing God's work is, they believe, well and good. But they don't think you need to do it to go to Heaven- doing it without being "saved" will not get you there, and just living an ordinary life while being "saved" will.

I can't speak for the Catholic angle on this, because I am not as familiar with that, but we seem to be focusing on the Protestant ones here.
This assumes that their ONLY motivation for any action is going to heaven and ignores all the pressures and motivations of this life. Are you really trying to say that they get no kudos at all from their Christian communities back at home for spending time converting the heathens? Is there really no pressure exerted by the church to get them to do God's bidding?

You also assume that all these Christians have the same view of the bible - that believing in Jesus is enough to get you through the pearly gates. My experience of Christians is that many, if not most, simply believe that good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell. You have to remember that most Christians, even the evangelical have barely read any of the bible.
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I understand their mentality and perspective. What I dislike is how they fail to consider other perspectives. Despite all the talk about God's unending love and how they wish the best on others, it doesn't fail to bother me how their love always has strings attached. Can't they love and help someone without trying to convert them?

It bears mentioning that this particular notion is in regards to these evangelist types with clear issues regarding freedom of religion. I respect anyone who has a belief, as long as they respect me too.
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Hillary wrote:This assumes that their ONLY motivation for any action is going to heaven and ignores all the pressures and motivations of this life. Are you really trying to say that they get no kudos at all from their Christian communities back at home for spending time converting the heathens? Is there really no pressure exerted by the church to get them to do God's bidding?

You also assume that all these Christians have the same view of the bible - that believing in Jesus is enough to get you through the pearly gates. My experience of Christians is that many, if not most, simply believe that good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell. You have to remember that most Christians, even the evangelical have barely read any of the bible.
Excuse me. You're right, I've overstated my case.

What I will say for myself is:
-The issue of getting into Heaven by works or by faith isn't one the Bible speaks to very well, which was a big source of the split between Catholics and Protestants on it in the first place. Biblical literacy doesn't always nail down the believer's views on the subject.
-General Zod was talking specifically about the idea that: "Converting people means they're doing God's work, which means that it's more likely they'll wind up in heaven," and my reply was that the evangelical churches themselves don't believe that. I expect the individual evangelists' beliefs to be roughly in line with their own churches, but I could be wrong to expect that, I suppose.
-The motive of getting social approval and being driven by social pressure is still there... but it also applies to secular aid workers. The guy who spends a year working for Doctors Without Borders in Haiti gets applause too; we don't assume he's in it for the social approval. While the evangelist missionaries are being annoying and useless, I think they have to be extended equal benefit of the doubt in their intentions.

It would still be better if they stayed home, or if they actually took the trouble to think and plan their efforts competently, or if they were more willing to help people who weren't listening to their sermons. Much better. But the actual people doing it aren't motivated by greed any more than anyone else who goes to a shithole and thinks they're helping is.
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Simon_Jester wrote: -General Zod was talking specifically about the idea that: "Converting people means they're doing God's work, which means that it's more likely they'll wind up in heaven," and my reply was that the evangelical churches themselves don't believe that. I expect the individual evangelists' beliefs to be roughly in line with their own churches, but I could be wrong to expect that, I suppose.
I wasn't talking necessarily just about the Evangelical churches, just missionaries in general. I think you're over estimating how much people tend to toe their own particular denomination's line of dogma, though.
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I've said this before but I'll say it again: nobody would give these people even the slightest benefit of the doubt if they had some symbol on their flag other than the Cross.

This is part of the soft bigotry of Christianity in America: Christians get automatically cut more slack than anyone else. Imagine if someone had smuggled kids and was an atheist rather than a "Christian missionary", but said the same thing about wanting to help kids. There would be far fewer people leaping up to say that they were just naive. Imagine if someone was going to Haiti to indoctrinate the children in Scientology, the way these people are going there with Bibles in hand. There would be far fewer people saying that their intentions are good.

Of course, by "people", I'm referring to the general public, not this particular webboard.
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Akhlut wrote:Plus, I imagine the similarities between Holy Roller brands of Christianity and Voudoun rituals are going to make them just go right back to Voudoun with maybe a few "praise Jesus!" and "amen!" shouts thrown in.
I've been to both Pentacostal (speaking in tongues) church services and Voudoun services, and personally I don't perceive a hell of a lot of difference. Well, OK, there is a certain amount of chicken blood and such with the Voudoun, but on the upside, the fried chicken dinners afterwards are a LOT fresher...

(No, I'm not kidding - I've been to both types of religious services. And the Voudoun folks do serve better food, in my experience)
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Akhlut wrote:Plus, I imagine the similarities between Holy Roller brands of Christianity and Voudoun rituals are going to make them just go right back to Voudoun with maybe a few "praise Jesus!" and "amen!" shouts thrown in.
I've been to both Pentacostal (speaking in tongues) church services and Voudoun services, and personally I don't perceive a hell of a lot of difference. Well, OK, there is a certain amount of chicken blood and such with the Voudoun, but on the upside, the fried chicken dinners afterwards are a LOT fresher...

(No, I'm not kidding - I've been to both types of religious services. And the Voudoun folks do serve better food, in my experience)
I haven't been to Voodoo rituals, but I have noticed that typical white-bread protestant church food is very bland.
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Darth Wong wrote:I haven't been to Voodoo rituals, but I have noticed that typical white-bread protestant church food is very bland.
True.

And the black churches in the US (forgive me, but it's true, like tuna noodle casseroles in white churches) tend to serve lots of deep fried food.

I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions, but some of these stereotypes are based in fact. Voudoun eat most of their animal sacrifices, so the food tends to be fresher if nothing else. I'm sure in Haiti some of the poorer groups, well, they don't always have much food or much variety, but as the loa all favor different foods the community rituals might well supply some variety in meals as well as most of the meat some folks ever get.
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Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.- Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, which sums up my feelings regarding the lawsuit discussed here.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - John F. Kennedy

Sam Vimes Theory of Economic Injustice
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