Palin shows her spirit by not paying Taxes!

[General Zod]

But the biggest lie of all, here, is your claim that "Republicans won't let [Geithner's tax problems] ever be ignored." Geithner's tax issues are a legitimate analogy when another politician is criticized for a tax issue that by all accounts is far less serious. A Republican didn't start this thread to complain about Geithner, and what he did a very short time ago is fair game if people are seriously trying to use this tax charge to attack Palin's character (or whatever you want to call it). It would be far more accurate to claim "Republicans won't let Geithner's tax issues be ignored so long as their political adversaries attack Republicans for offenses that are dramatically less serious, and so long as these same political adversaries express no concern whatsoever with Geithner's actions." See the difference? Indeed, in your particular case, you've gone so far as to show moral outrage that a Republican could dare to criticize Geithner because he paid off the $100k in past-due taxes well after they were originally due (leaving out the fact that Krauser was merely reacting to the level of bullshit hypocrisy that previously characterized this thread).

I'm not sure where you're getting "moral outrage" from when I specifically said I'm sick of Geithner's dodge being ran into the ground as a counter-point. Because frankly it's about as creative and interesting as using thermodynamics to disprove evolution. But hey, feel free to keep misinterpreting me.

[Master of Ossus]

I'm not sure where you're getting "moral outrage" from when I specifically said I'm sick of Geithner's dodge being ran into the ground as a counter-point. Because frankly it's about as creative and interesting as using thermodynamics to disprove evolution. But hey, feel free to keep misinterpreting me.

I'm sorry. Here I was thinking that arguments should be evaluated based on their validity, as opposed to their creativity.

Your claims are, at least, self-consistent, now: Palin's slight tax issue has incredible bearing on her character because this is the first thread in which it's been discussed, but Geithner's massively more serious issue is no longer relevant at all (and hence deserves no discussion, let alone condemnation) because people have already talked about it and the issue has gone away (that seems to have been Krauser's whole point when you launched into your moral outrage mode).

But let's get back to the real point of the thread: are you honestly claiming that the responses to this issue of Palin's taxes were reasonable and representative of your perception of the severity of the issue?

PS.

So what? I don't give a shit if they're equivalent. I was addressing the disingenuous assertion that it was swept under the rug and somehow conveniently ignored. Even though the Republicans won't let it ever be ignored, because they have to keep beating every horse they can into a bloody pulpy grave. Because it's easier than finding legitimate attacks *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

That constitutes moral outrage, in my circle.

[General Zod]

Your claims are, at least, self-consistent, now: Palin's slight tax issue has incredible bearing on her character because this is the first thread in which it's been discussed, but Geithner's massively more serious issue is no longer relevant at all (and hence deserves no discussion, let alone condemnation) because people have already talked about it and the issue has gone away (that seems to have been Krauser's whole point when you launched into your moral outrage mode).

Except it isn't relevant, because it's a complete red herring.

But let's get back to the real point of the thread: are you honestly claiming that the responses to this issue of Palin's taxes were reasonable and representative of your perception of the severity of the issue?

If you'd actually read my posts you'd already know I made no such claims. I'm not sure why you're being insistent on inventing imaginary arguments here.

[Master of Ossus]

Except it isn't relevant, because it's a complete red herring.

No, it's not. They're both (sort of) analogous tax issues that major political figures have had. The statement is, "I don't understand why people are outraged about Palin's tax problems. No one makes a big deal about Geithner's tax issue, even though by any standards what Geithner did was much more serious." It's not even a "dodge." Palin's tax story is a non-issue. It doesn't have to be dodged because nothing happened, and what Krauser was saying was meant to illustrate that.

But let's get back to the real point of the thread: are you honestly claiming that the responses to this issue of Palin's taxes were reasonable and representative of your perception of the severity of the issue?

If you'd actually read my posts you'd already know I made no such claims. I'm not sure why you're being insistent on inventing imaginary arguments here.

Right, because the topic of the thread is an "imaginary argument."

I'm questioning whether you think that these statements were appropriate or not. If you don't think so, then I don't understand your involvement in the thread. Krauser was saying "Well, wait, why are people so upset about this? No one reacted at all when Geithner's tax issues were revealed, and by any reasonable standards those were far more serious."

[General Zod]

Right, because the topic of the thread is an "imaginary argument."

I'm questioning whether you think that these statements were appropriate or not. If you don't think so, then I don't understand your involvement in the thread. Krauser was saying "Well, wait, why are people so upset about this? No one reacted at all when Geithner's tax issues were revealed, and by any reasonable standards those were far more serious."

I think all of the reactions in this thread are stupid because it's devolved into the same circle-jerk that any new tax-dodge thread devolves to. "Hey look, this guy didn't pay taxes!" "Geithner didn't either lolz". Good fucking Christ is it too much to ask that people stop recycling tired old soundbites?

[Dominus Atheos]

Has anyone heard about Sarah Palin writing notes on her hand? At the Teabagger convention it was noticed that she had written down "Energy" budget tax cuts" and "lift American spirits" on her hand.

Today the White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs mentioned it:



You know what you did was retarded (oh whoops, I'm not supposed to say "the R word"!) when the White House Press Secretary mocks you for it.

[Dominus Atheos]

For anyone looking for more information on Notesgate (scribblegate? handgate? scribblednotesonhandgate?) should check out Colbert's segment on it. Unfortunately it hasn't been uploaded to Youtube yet, so I can't embed it. It can be found on his website here, and the only clip I could find is here:

[KrauserKrauser]

BREAKING NEWS! SARAH PALIN IS RETARDED BECAUSE SHE WROTE A NOTE ON HER HAND TO REMIND HER OF A TALKING POINT!

SUPREMEMLY IMPORTANT MESSAGE! SARAH PALIN IS RETARDED PASS IT ON!

PALIN < OBAMA BECAUSE SHE USES NOTES ON HER HAND INSTEAD OF PREPARED SPEECHES ON TELEPROMTER LIKE OUR LORD AND SAVIOR OBAMA!

Seriously? THIS is the hot button issue you are going to lambast her with? This is trivial compared to Obama and his constant need of a teleprompter to stay on message.

Also, WTF does this have to do with the OP? DA is butthurt that the original article was ineffective in painting Palin in a bad light so must post new evidence that Palin = All that is wrong with the world?

[Knife]

BREAKING NEWS! SARAH PALIN IS RETARDED BECAUSE SHE WROTE A NOTE ON HER HAND TO REMIND HER OF A TALKING POINT!

SUPREMEMLY IMPORTANT MESSAGE! SARAH PALIN IS RETARDED PASS IT ON!

PALIN < OBAMA BECAUSE SHE USES NOTES ON HER HAND INSTEAD OF PREPARED SPEECHES ON TELEPROMTER LIKE OUR LORD AND SAVIOR OBAMA!

Seriously? THIS is the hot button issue you are going to lambast her with? This is trivial compared to Obama and his constant need of a teleprompter to stay on message.

Also, WTF does this have to do with the OP? DA is butthurt that the original article was ineffective in painting Palin in a bad light so must post new evidence that Palin = All that is wrong with the world?

Incorrect, I am afraid. It continues the long list of things she acts hypocritical about. How the fuck do you lambaste someone for using teleprompters if you only get around it by writing crib notes on your hand? All of these issues are dumb, but the fact she keeps doing them pretty much associates her with dumb issues.

[KrauserKrauser]

Incorrect, I am afraid. It continues the long list of things she acts hypocritical about. How the fuck do you lambaste someone for using teleprompters if you only get around it by writing crib notes on your hand? All of these issues are dumb, but the fact she keeps doing them pretty much associates her with dumb issues.

Ok, just need to provide me with evidence of her lambasting the president about his excessive use of the teleprompter and I will gladly shut my yapper.

[KrauserKrauser]

Ouch, that's gotta hurt

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The jokes about Barack Obama's close relationship with his teleprompter have been constant since he became president.

Rush Limbaugh's poked fun at it on the radio. Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi bantered about it during an international summit. Obama himself skewered his affinity for the speaking crutch in an appearance before reporters.

But now, a year into Obama's administration, the subject has taken on more of an edge -- and become a symbol of a larger debate over whether Obama has lost touch with the people.

Republican Sarah Palin mocked Obama over the weekend when she referred to the conservative Tea Party movement as being "much bigger than any charismatic guy with a teleprompter."

And heads turned when Jon Stewart, who hosts Comedy Central's "The Daily Show," recently displayed footage of Obama ensconced behind a podium, flanked by teleprompter screens during an appearance at a middle school.

"You set up a presidential podium and a teleprompter in a sixth-grade classroom?" said an incredulous Stewart, not typically a critic of Obama.

The White House waved off the whole matter as insignificant and pointed out that Obama had used the speaking crutch to address reporters, not school kids.

But Obama's team isn't above taking its own potshots.

On Tuesday, a few days after Palin had mocked Obama, presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs turned up at the White House briefing with a few talking points -- "hope" and "change" -- scrawled on his hand.

Call it political payback.

When Palin spoke Saturday in Nashville, Tenn., she had had her own human crib sheet: "Energy," ''tax" and "lift American spirits" were written on her hand. During one question, she looked down at her palm for a cue.

Did Gibbs elevate Palin to Obama's level by taking a swipe at her from the White House?

It all sounds kind of silly.

But sometimes, small things take on big meaning when they become emblematic of larger truths.

The viral video of John Edwards primping his hair stuck because of questions about whether he was an empty suit.

Joe the Plumber emerged as a campaign celebrity in 2008 because people were worried about the problems facing everyman.

Obama himself has acknowledged that his political problems of late have been caused in part by his failure to connect with ordinary Americans still feeling economic pain.

"We lost some of that sense of speaking directly to the American people about what their core values are," he said after Democrats lost a crucial Senate seat in Massachusetts last month.

Obama's critics point to his podium and teleprompter as evidence of the disconnect.

Palin's critics point to her flesh-and-ink crib notes as one more sign she's a lightweight.

Or maybe all these two have shown is that they're human and need a little help remembering key points.

Yeah, looks like that is valid, though DA could have done himself a favor and posted some more than the press secretary making fun of Palin and Colbert screaming profanities.

More than enough opportunity to show the hypocrisy while using the facts here, no need to just throw shit on the wall.

Also, any chance this can be thrown into a new thread, this has jack all to do with Palin's tax issues.

[General Zod]

Yeah, looks like that is valid, though DA could have done himself a favor and posted some more than the press secretary making fun of Palin and Colbert screaming profanities.

More than enough opportunity to show the hypocrisy while using the facts here, no need to just throw shit on the wall.

Also, any chance this can be thrown into a new thread, this has jack all to do with Palin's tax issues.

Anyone that addresses criticism by screeching like a retard in all caps for over a paragraph has no business complaining about throwing shit on the wall.

[Solauren]

This thread so sums up American politics;

Find something stupid and run it into the ground, then address the real issues.

[Darth Wong]

Unfortunately, nobody wants to point out how stupid Palin' comments were at that infamous "palm note" speech regardless of the palm thing. Sort of like how nobody wants to point out that Sarah Palin made herself popular in Alaska with a classic Robin Hood socialist tax-the-rich scheme, then ran around attacking Democrats for being socialist. It's sad that silly things like this "notes on palm" thing get more traction than her real problems.

[Dominus Atheos]

Also, WTF does this have to do with the OP? DA is butthurt that the original article was ineffective in painting Palin in a bad light so must post new evidence that Palin = All that is wrong with the world?

This was the only active Palin thread and I didn't feel like making a new one just for the Gibbs clip.

Yeah, looks like that is valid, though DA could have done himself a favor and posted some more than the press secretary making fun of Palin and Colbert screaming profanities.

I linked to Colbert's entire segment on the issue, which give almost all relevant information. Unfortuantely embedding non-youtube stuff is prohibited in the N&P forum, otherwise I'd just have posted this:

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[Hidden Author]

Unfortunately, nobody wants to point out how stupid Palin' comments were at that infamous "palm note" speech regardless of the palm thing. Sort of like how nobody wants to point out that Sarah Palin made herself popular in Alaska with a classic Robin Hood socialist tax-the-rich scheme, then ran around attacking Democrats for being socialist. It's sad that silly things like this "notes on palm" thing get more traction than her real problems.

You know a big reason why conservatives are against handouts is not so much anti-aid as it is anti-aid-at-the-expense-of-others. Since the state owned part of the rights to the oil, the money did not come through taxing what other people had earned.

Now you can debate whether or not such money should have been used as a substitute for taxes but that undoubtedly was the logic at play here.

[Eleas]

You know a big reason why conservatives are against handouts is not so much anti-aid as it is anti-aid-at-the-expense-of-others.

Ah. But they'd presumably be in full support of the destitute receiving aid at their own expense, or alternatively nobody's expense. Yes?

Because as immensely stupid as that sounds, that's the only technical difference remaining to distinguish "anti-aid-at-the-expense-of-others" from "anti-aid." Too bad the gist of both statements is the same. "I've got mine, so fuck those who don't... on principle."

The concept of aid depends on people actually, you know, providing it. Only a born fool or a US conservative would seriously argue in favour of a gift system without a giver. Of course, there are handouts and handouts. Witness the massive outcry of protest from conservatives back during their God-Emperor's reign, when government contracts were raining like confetti in Republican-friendly board rooms.

Oh, right. There wasn't one.