Riker vs. the Empire

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-02-15 04:21pm

Scenario (its silly, I know, but let's just go with it):

You are Commander Riker, with the powers of the Q Continuum at your disposal.

What do you do to prepare the Trek galaxy for the coming Imperial threat... or do you?

Discuss. ; )

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-02-15 05:35pm

Kurgan wrote:Scenario (its silly, I know, but let's just go with it):

You are Commander Riker, with the powers of the Q Continuum at your disposal.

What do you do to prepare the Trek galaxy for the coming Imperial threat... or do you?

Discuss. ; )

As soon as you threw in the Q part, the debate became meaningless.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-15 05:42pm

Close the wormhole/portal/whatever.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2003-02-15 07:34pm

Kurgan wrote:Scenario (its silly, I know, but let's just go with it):

You are Commander Riker, with the powers of the Q Continuum at your disposal.

What do you do to prepare the Trek galaxy for the coming Imperial threat... or do you?

Discuss. ; )

If I had to stop an Imperial fleet with Q abilities, I would just erase the SW galaxy.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-02-15 09:34pm

As soon as you threw in the Q part, the debate became meaningless.

It's not really a debate per se, just what YOU would do, to meet the threat. There's more than one possibility, after all.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-15 09:48pm

I would join in the inevitable mayhem.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-15 10:53pm

What I would do and what Riker would do are two every different things. I see two big problems for Riker. As a Starfleet officer, there's no way he could justify killing the multitudes of civilians in the SW galaxy, whether by erasing the entire galaxy or by erasing the Imperial armed forces. Likewise, Riker-Q couldn't just disappear the Imperial leadership so a more benevolt system could emerge: not only would the subsequent civil war cause unacceptable civilian casualties, but Starfleet officers also have strong inhibitions about interfering in the development of other cultures. Suddenly granting the Federation new technology equivalent in power to the Empire poses similar problems: an increase in their destructive power by a magnitude or more would be incredibly destabilizing to the Alpha Quadrant. Even if the Federation's leadership controlled the impulse to go wipe out their old enemies, they may soon find all the other alpha, beta, and gamma quadrant powers forming an alliance to assault the Federation out of fear. Suddenly raising the power level of all the ST powers is no better: they may be able to fend off an Imperial attack then, but warfare between them will reach a scale of destructiveness previously unheard of in the ST galaxy. After you exhaust all those possibilities, you're back to Thrawn's suggestion: use your Q powers to close the wormhole.

That brings us to Riker's second problem: who says the Q Continuum will let him intervene?

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2003-02-15 11:06pm

The Q Continuum does present a problem. I am just as omnipotent as all of them combined because omnipotence is absolute, however. Therefore, I would include the Q Continuum in my erasure, as well as the SW galaxy.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-15 11:31pm

Shadow wrote:The Q Continuum does present a problem. I am just as omnipotent as all of them combined because omnipotence is absolute, however. Therefore, I would include the Q Continuum in my erasure, as well as the SW galaxy.

Except that the continuum has in the past stripped a member of their powers.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-02-15 11:33pm

Riker with the power of Q. I guess the Empire is getting a new Emperor.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-02-16 12:44am

Shadow wrote:
If I had to stop an Imperial fleet with Q abilities, I would just erase the SW galaxy.

Proof that the Q can erase galaxies?

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-16 01:18am

Vympel wrote:
Shadow wrote:
If I had to stop an Imperial fleet with Q abilities, I would just erase the SW galaxy.
Proof that the Q can erase galaxies?

... you need proof of that?

I think the better question to as is would the Q even let that happen? and if it did happen (there are always rogue Q) would the Q continuum "fix" the damage that was done?

But this is a rather silly match up. It's like a mortal taking on a god. The god casts Smite Mortal Sillyness and the Godlike being wins.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-02-16 02:54am

What would Riker do? Basically, he'd be dumb enough to listen to one of Picard's moral speeches and decide that he is not fit to hold the powers of the Q and would give them up.

The Empire then crushes the Federation on schedule.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2003-02-16 12:06pm

I just noticed that my arguement is wrong. It is tated that Qs are not omnipotent in the episode "Death Wish," by the Q called Quinn.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2003-02-16 12:07pm

I meant to say "stated." It is annoying that this forum has the edit feature turned off.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-16 12:35pm

"The Q and the Grey" proves they aren't anyways.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-02-16 02:55pm

It's true, Riker would probably give up the Q powers (and he does, in fact), I just used that as a device, because it really a happened in the Trek universe.

The question is, if you were Riker, what would you do. You don't have to necessarily act "in character."

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-16 09:08pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Close the wormhole/portal/whatever.

He could just open another one.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-02-16 09:21pm

Helm wrote:
... you need proof of that?

Yes, I do need proof of that. I see no reason why Q's abilities should be extrapolated to infinity. It's the same kind of BS reasoning that states that the Borg adapt to anything blah blah etc.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-02-16 09:47pm

Kurgan wrote:It's true, Riker would probably give up the Q powers (and he does, in fact), I just used that as a device, because it really a happened in the Trek universe.

The question is, if you were Riker, what would you do. You don't have to necessarily act "in character."

Heh... with that problem out of the way, I'd make sure the arriving Imperials found themselves emerging in Borg space. That will take care of the metal-encrusted zombies once and for all. Next, sic them on the Founders.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-16 10:12pm

Use the power to teleport my self as far away from the Federation as possible

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-02-16 10:31pm

Maybe I would snap my fingers a whole bunch of times (a few thousand light years per snap) and send the Imperial invasion fleet into the middle of Vong space... and watch the results. ; )

Tragic · Post by **Tragic** » 2003-02-16 11:14pm

Vympel wrote:
Helm wrote:
... you need proof of that?
Yes, I do need proof of that. I see no reason why Q's abilities should be extrapolated to infinity. It's the same kind of BS reasoning that states that the Borg adapt to anything blah blah etc.

The Q's have control over space,matter and time. I doubt it would be hard for them to erase a galaxy.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-02-16 11:24pm

Tragic wrote:The Q's have control over space,matter and time. I doubt it would be hard for them to erase a galaxy.

But erasing a galaxy is way beyond anything they've done in canon and we know they aren't omnipotent.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-02-16 11:39pm

Tragic wrote:
The Q's have control over space,matter and time. I doubt it would be hard for them to erase a galaxy.

Instead of vague assertions without a smidgen of canon evidence, why don't you demonstrate that the Q's can erase a galaxy

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