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The Vice Report on North Korea

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I actually came across this while browsing CNN, the "Vice Report" from VBS TV on North Korea (Don't use their video, use my links for the full thing if you decide you want to see it).
Editor's Note: The staff at CNN.com has recently been intrigued by the journalism of VICE, an independent media company and Web site based in Brooklyn, New York. VBS.TV is Vice's broadband television network. The reports, which are produced solely by VICE, reflect a very transparent approach to journalism, where viewers are taken along on every step of the reporting process. We believe this unique reporting approach is worthy of sharing with our CNN.com readers.

Brooklyn, New York (VBS.TV) -- Getting into North Korea was one of the weirdest processes VBS has ever dealt with. After we went back and forth with their representatives for months, they finally said they were going to allow 16 journalists to come and cover the Arirang Mass Games in Pyongyang. Just before our departure, they suddenly said, "No, nobody can come." Then they said, "OK, OK, you can come. But only as tourists." But they already knew we were journalists, and over there if you get caught being a journalist when you're supposed to be a tourist you go to jail. We don't like jail. And we're willing to bet we'd hate jail in North Korea.

But we went for it. The first leg of the trip was a flight into northern China. At the airport, the North Korean consulate took our passports and all our money, then brought us to a restaurant along with our tour group. All the other diners left, and these women came out and started singing North Korean nationalist songs. We were thinking, "Look, we were just on a plane for 20 hours. Can't we just go to bed?" But this guy with our group who was from the L.A. Times told us, "Everyone in here besides us is secret police. If you don't act excited then you're not going to get your visa." So we got drunk and sang songs with the girls. The next day we got our visas. A lot of people we had gone with didn't get theirs.

We flew into North Korea that night. We were supposed to have three days before the games started, but as soon as we got on the ground they told us, "The games are happening now." We went straight to the stadium, and there were 40,000 people in the stands, portraying the history of the North Korean revolution with flip cards. On the playing field before them, about 60,000 people did wild synchronized-gymnastics routines. The 15 of us who made up the audience watched from a marble dais. We were the only spectators. Fifteen audience members for a 100,000-man extravaganza.

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The next day, our grand tour began. We went to the International Friendship Museum, which comprises 2,000 rooms carved into the bottom of a mountain. The displays are all gifts from different world leaders. Joseph Stalin gave Kim Il-sung a train. Mao Zedong also gave Kim Il-sung a train. He got hunting rifles from communist East Germany's Erich Honecker and Romania's Nicolae Ceausescu and all the other Eastern-bloc guys. Madeleine Albright famously gave Kim Jong-il a basketball signed by Michael Jordan.

Perhaps the weirdest thing about North Koreans is that they genuinely don't seem to know that the rest of the planet hates and fears them. They believe (or maybe they really convincingly lie about believing) that the whole world admires and envies them and that they're the true light of socialism and Juche, which is their leader's philosophy of Communist self-reliance.

As the days went on, North Korea presented us with progressively stranger sights and encounters. Being there was like being nowhere else on the planet. Are we glad that we got into Pyongyang and were able to document it? Yes. But are we even gladder that we made it out? Watch our documentary on the trip and try to guess the answer.
Here are the links to the three parts of the full report:
Part 1 of 3
Part 2 of 3
Part 3 of 3

My reactions:
- I'm not too sure about these Vice Report guys, I've never heard of them before, but I think their approach is interesting. Nonetheless, I'm taking everything with a grain of salt.

- About halfway through the Other Half and I start going "AAIIIIEEEEEEEEE!! The propaganda! The music! The broken Engrish! AIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEE!!! My ears MY EARS makeITstopPLEASEpleaseMAKE-IT-STOP!!!!"

- This is an Orwellian 1984 police state. On steroids.

- No, this is a state with a Living God. This is probably what Pharaonic Egypt was like, except I expect after the first few generations the Egyptians were more cynical. And better fed. With less annoying karaoke.

- These people are brainwashed. If told to drink the poisoned Flavor-Aid a la Jonestown not only would they do it, they'd ask for seconds.

- These people have nukes! Or rather, their leader does. THAT's fuckin' scary.
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Hmm. The comparison to Pharaonic Egypt is interesting; the one difference that occurs to me is that the Pharaonic state seems to have evolved gradually over time, rather than being imposed suddenly over the period of a few generations.
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There was the iconic moment when Lower and Upper Egypt were united under one pharaoh for the first time, which is when the huge monument building started up. That probably had some similarities, given that the One Big Leader was revered as a living god.
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North Korea is pretty much proof that human civilization is indestructible barring total life extinction events. We couldn’t wipe ourselves out if we tried, we’d just end up in a big confused pile with more guns then we know what to do with.
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Broomstick wrote:There was the iconic moment when Lower and Upper Egypt were united under one pharaoh for the first time, which is when the huge monument building started up. That probably had some similarities, given that the One Big Leader was revered as a living god.
What where the Two Big Leaders treated like before that point, though? I mean yes, there was a lot less heroic monument-building, but there were probably reasons for that; you can't afford to dedicate half the country's surplus labor to building monuments for the greater glory of You if you need an actual army that might have to fight an opponent of comparable strength.

I have to say, just given the un-mistakable evidence (they went in, they went out, they actually filmed what they filmed)... I really respect these guys' intestinal fortitude.
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At this stage, I would think that even if they do hold democratic elections, the majority of the people will be more than happy to vote for kim Jong Il.
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It's all really quite cartoonish, isn't it? The exaggerated goose-stepping, the vast parades and public demonstrations.

How bleak.
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A few years ago, South Korea built a skyscraper for use as a business center that was some impressive number of stories tall in Seoul. North Korea, not happy with the way that was going, commissioned it's own skyscraper in Pyongyang. It was one story taller than the one in Seoul, but made in a tapering 'triangle' shape. It's officially a hotel or something for foreign business travellers. Because of that, only the bottom few floors are even occupied, and the rest of the place is empty.

North Korea really is a caricature. I remember also a photodiary I read a few years back of a trip to NK, and it had a person stationed at the Pyongyang Subway, who pressed a button on the subway map to show where station A or station B or whatever was. He was proud that NK had a light-up subway map, and asked if Tokyo or New York had such a thing. The reporter said no, which made the man very happy. Of course, the reporter also didn't mention that Tokyo and New York had dozens of lines and routes, while Pyongyang's 'subway system' was a straight line with six stops.
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I am not scared by DPRK having nukes despite living in a nation next door to it. But yeah, DPRK is a god-state. Even though, it is changing (the last 10 y or so). Reading Lankov ("The quiet death of North Korean stalinism") can offer some insights on how DPRK politics evolved.
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I wonder why people would even want to play tourist in a place like that? Though as I understand it South Koreans do it for sentimental purposes and the Chinese just to watch with morbid curiosity at what Maoist China used to approximate.
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Pelranius wrote:I wonder why people would even want to play tourist in a place like that?
Many Russians tour North Korea. It's no longer that fancy, but some do it out of curiousity. It's not always morbid curiousity. Sometimes it's for exploration's sake.

One DPRKian I met had a rather lax attitude about Kim, actually. Perhaps that was because he was on a diplomatic mission to Russia.
Pelranius wrote:Though as I understand it South Koreans do it for sentimental purposes and the Chinese just to watch with morbid curiosity at what Maoist China used to approximate.
DPRK has even more of a god-cult than Maoist China (which in turn has had a greater cult of personality than any other Eastern Bloc state). It also had uniquely strange approaches to overworking when it started going no-holds barred with it's autarky, IIRC (100 day shifts, man...).
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Oh yes this one! And everything they say match the story told by everyone else who has visited North Korea. That said if you want to know more you can check out Pyongyang: A Journey in North Korea which is a comic book travelogue made by a Canadian who spent several months there on a business trip. You can also see B.R. Myers book The Cleanest Race: How North Koreans See Themselves and Why It Matters which is another good one, but I have a soft spot for B.R. Myers ever since he wrote A Readers Manifesto.
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Pelranius wrote:I wonder why people would even want to play tourist in a place like that? Though as I understand it South Koreans do it for sentimental purposes and the Chinese just to watch with morbid curiosity at what Maoist China used to approximate.
I want to see it to actually see a police state up close and have the opportunity to leave at the end.
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You know if you look at their propaganda, their actual propaganda, you might get a better idea of what is going on there. Such as The Great Leader and Great Architect Kim Jong Il

There used to be a blog that had a whole bunch of these, but the account has been suspended. He also made stuff on his own, which is quite similar to real propaganda, such as this.

Then again when they have music videos about roasted sweet potato. Yes North Korea is truly a weird and bizarre place.
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I'd consider going to North Korea, but I would feel too guilty about spending money within the country.
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This site has some good propaganda videos...

http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboKIMJONGIL.html
http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboFUCKINGUSAHI.html

The 'Fucking USA' one has a really catchy beat I have to admit :)
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Broomstick wrote:- I'm not too sure about these Vice Report guys, I've never heard of them before, but I think their approach is interesting.
They're the people who reported on that in Columbia people fuck many donkeys, dogs and horses regularly. Ive seen people post that on other forums [the donkey-fuck thing]. Vice Report is pretty cool. Check some of the other stuff they have on their site.
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Broomstick wrote:- No, this is a state with a Living God. This is probably what Pharaonic Egypt was like, except I expect after the first few generations the Egyptians were more cynical. And better fed. With less annoying karaoke.
It's also a state where a dead man is still the Head of State. It's ancestor worship on a national scale. Except it only took one generation for the current incumbent to start reminding people to get their worship in early because he was going to be an ancestor one day. That took a couple hundred years or so for Rome.
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The book to read if you want to know about North Korea is "Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader: North Korea and the Kim Dynasty", which is pretty much the bible of how North Korea came to be and what sort of place it is - although the description of how Pyongyang is may be slightly out of date by now, North Korea itself seems to be a decade or two out of sync with everything else as well.

EDIT: Amazon link added.
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Pelranius wrote:I wonder why people would even want to play tourist in a place like that?
It's an unique culture, so I'd love to see it with my own eyes. I suspect it would be a bit like waking up inside a propaganda video.
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Twigler wrote:
Pelranius wrote:I wonder why people would even want to play tourist in a place like that?
It's an unique culture, so I'd love to see it with my own eyes. I suspect it would be a bit like waking up inside a propaganda video.
On the other hand, the visitors (indirectly) support a totalitarian regime.
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[R_H] wrote:On the other hand, the visitors (indirectly) support a totalitarian regime.
Yeah, but trying to starve out a nation to make it somehow (how?) abandon it's government, even if it is totalitarian, does not strike me as the pinnacle of morality either. I do not see that visiting or staying out of DPRK changes the political perspective of the Kim rule anyhow. It's a zero impact factor.
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I'm not entirely sure of this, but I seem to recall hearing that the military has been given first dibs on things like food. IF that is the case, then "starving out" the regime is going to hurt the non-military ordinary folks who are just trying to survive a lot more than then guys actually responsible for how things are. So yes, tourism is supporting a totalitarian regime in one sense, but it may also be that little bit that provides minimal goods to those trying to get by in life.

It's not like one person refusing to go on a trip is going to make much difference anyway. It may also be balanced by obtaining more information on conditions inside the country - which is why such countries are not fond of journalists making such trips.
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[R_H] wrote:
Twigler wrote:
It's an unique culture, so I'd love to see it with my own eyes. I suspect it would be a bit like waking up inside a propaganda video.
On the other hand, the visitors (indirectly) support a totalitarian regime.
Very true indeed, which is why I have no plans of ever going there. That still doesn't mean I wouldn't love to see it first hand.
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