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The Los Angeles Times wrote: Reporting from Whistler, Canada - A luger from the former Soviet republic of Georgia was killed after a horrific crash on the year-old sledding track Friday, Olympic officials confirmed.

On a morning training run, Nodar Kumaritashvili lost control of his sled at nearly 80 mph and was catapulted over the lip of the track and slammed into an unpadded metal pole.

Track and medical workers dashed to his side and began performing CPR as an ambulance raced to the side of the track. An air-rescue helicopter was called in.

Training was suspended as Olympic officials met to review the situation.

"Our first thoughts are with the family, friends and colleagues of the athlete.The whole Olympic Family is struck by this tragedy, which clearly casts a shadow over these Games", International Olympics Committee President Jacques Rogge said.

According to the IOC, an investigation is underway into the circumstances of the accident. Training was suspended and technical officials are now trying to establish the causes.

There has been speculation that the track is too fast. On Thursday, Romanian slider Violeta Stramaturaru was briefly knocked unconscious and required medical treatment.

It is possible to dial down the speed of the track by adding frost.

Kumaritashvili has been competing in luge for just two years. He was ranked 55th in the World Cup rankings in 2008-09.

Even veteran luge athletes are having trouble negotiating the track, considered the world's fastest.

Armin Zoeggeler, the two-time Olympic gold medalist from Italy, crashed in training and Germany's Felix Loch, considered a medal favorite, injured his shoulder last November during international training week.
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That's a disturbing photo, but much easier to look at than the one a Canadian news site was briefly running that featured his bloodied face as someone attempted to revive him.

It looks like those supports are holding up another part of the track? Perhaps a curved "roof" or netting or something could be installed at the sharp turns, keeping the sled and rider on the track instead of hitting that support.
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Just watched the video on NBC Nightly News.

He hit the inside of the turn and was then vaulted along the outside wooden rail and out of the track and struck the pole with the back of his head/neck. Not sure if padding or a net would have done much at that speed; he was on the last turn, just short of the finish line.

A shelf of some short, allowing him to slide along and slow down might have helped, or even just extending the turn wall up as high as it was before the straightaway.

He didn't move at all, probably died nearly instantly.

This track is too damn fast.

This is the first fatal luge accident at the Olympics in the 46 years luge has been an event.
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eion wrote:Just watched the video on NBC Nightly News.

He hit the inside of the turn and was then vaulted along the outside wooden rail and out of the track and struck the pole with the back of his head/neck. Not sure if padding or a net would have done much at that speed; he was on the last turn, just short of the finish line.

A shelf of some short, allowing him to slide along and slow down might have helped, or even just extending the turn wall up as high as it was before the straightaway.
Building that wall he went flying over a few more feet might have saved his life, but you'd need to do that for every wall after a corner and filming the course would be harder.
He didn't move at all, probably died nearly instantly.

This track is too damn fast.

This is the first fatal luge accident at the Olympics in the 46 years luge has been an event.
Er, not quite. Way I heard it, it sounded like there have been a total of three, this being the latest, the first in the year it was introduced. Only the second one took place during competition. What everyone does agree on was that this was not a forgiving or a friendly course.
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Vehrec wrote:Er, not quite. Way I heard it, it sounded like there have been a total of three, this being the latest, the first in the year it was introduced. Only the second one took place during competition. What everyone does agree on was that this was not a forgiving or a friendly course.
Whoops. yep mis-read that page. But it is the first fatality in 46 years, correct?
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I think the track needs slowed down, at the very least.
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A net would have worked fine to turn that into a broken arm or leg. They even make special deer fencing that would easily stop a person at any speed, and yet is specifically designed to be easily seen through. That’s just stupid that one of the fastest tracks in the world for the sport, as prepared for the Olympic Games no less, would have exposed metal poles like that. With all the money they spend hosting the events, no one took the time to do a safety assessment? I mean sure many events are dangerous, but that’s why it try to minimize risks you can control.
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Clearly this was the work of Russian spies in the olympics. You can bet the conspiracy theories are forming in Georgia right this moment.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:A net would have worked fine to turn that into a broken arm or leg. They even make special deer fencing that would easily stop a person at any speed, and yet is specifically designed to be easily seen through. That’s just stupid that one of the fastest tracks in the world for the sport, as prepared for the Olympic Games no less, would have exposed metal poles like that. With all the money they spend hosting the events, no one took the time to do a safety assessment? I mean sure many events are dangerous, but that’s why it try to minimize risks you can control.
And it seems like nets could be installed relatively quickly rather than extending the sides of the track wall higher. Surely, something needs to be done now, before there are any more practice runs and then races.
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Why is this thing even the world's fastest track? I was under the impression that high-level sports were supposed to have regulated playing fields. Even assuming that nobody died, shouldn't this track have been built to identical specs for the sake of consistency with other tracks and previous time records?
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The pictures are hard to look at, but I saw some of the video of the accident broadcast. The only good thing I have to say is that death must have been quick. As mentioned, he impacted the pole with the back of his head/neck going from nearly 90 mph (144 kph) to 0 in an instant. Even with hypothetical padding, just having his brain slosh around in his skull from that sort of stop could easily be fatal. It's not enough to merely stop a flying body at that speed, you have to slow it down prior to coming rest. Sudden stops are a Bad Thing in those circumstances.

There's talk of starting the races lower down the track, which will reduce speeds. If that works out it's a quick and cheap fix that might well save lives.
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Here's what the AP says about the investigation
AP by way of Yahoo News wrote:Probe: track didn’t cause luger’s death

By TIM REYNOLDS AND TOM WITHERS, AP Sports Writers 2 hours, 27 minutes ago

WHISTLER, British Columbia (AP)—Fast and frightening, yes. Responsible for the death of a luger, no.

Olympic officials decided late Friday night against any major changes in the track or any delays in competition and even doubled up on the schedule in the wake of the horrifying accident that claimed the life of a 21-year-old luger from the republic of Georgia.

They said they would raise the wall where the slider flew off the track and make an unspecified “change in the ice profile”—but only as a preventative measure “to avoid that such an extremely exceptional accident could occur again.”

Nodar Kumaritashvili of Georgia is seen at the start during the first training run of the day for the men's singles luge at Whistler on Friday. Kumaritashvili crashed during the second run and died at the hospital.
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Within sight of the finish line, Nodar Kumaritashvili crashed coming out of the 16th turn and slammed into an unpadded steel pole while traveling nearly 90 mph. Despite frantic attempts by paramedics to save his life, he died at a trauma center.

The International Luge Federation and Vancouver Olympic officials said their investigation showed that the crash was the result of human error and that “there was no indication that the accident was caused by deficiencies in the track.”

In a joint statement they said Kumaritashvili was late coming out of the next-to-last turn and failed to compensate. “This resulted in a late entrance into curve 16 and although the athlete worked to correct the problem, he eventually lost control of the sled, resulting in the tragic accident.”

Men lugers, who were scheduled to finish training Friday morning, will get two extra practice runs Saturday. Women will train four hours later than scheduled. Men’s competition will be held later in the day as planned.

Kumaritashvili’s death cast a pall over the Winter Games before they even started.

“I have no words to say what we feel,” said International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge, visibly shaken by the day’s events.

Concerns about the course had been raised for months. There were worries that the $100 million-plus venue was too technically difficult, and a lack of significant practice time by everyone but the host nation’s sliders would result in a rash of accidents.

“It is a nervous situation,” Latvian luge federation president Atis Strenga said. “It’s a big tragedy for all (of) luge. I hope, we all hope, it’s the first accident and the last accident in this race.”

Problems at the track date back to World Cup events and international training weeks held last year, when several of the world’s top bobsled drivers were upended trying to make their way down the track with its tricky labyrinth of curves and unprecedented speed.

American pilot Steven Holcomb christened one of the course’s toughest sections—the 13th curve—as “50-50” to reflect the odds of steering a sled through it cleanly.

Kumaritashvili, who had crashed during training on Wednesday, was nearing the bottom of his sixth practice run in a turn nicknamed “Thunderbird.” His last recorded speed was 89.4 mph, measured near the last curve. He was on a higher path—line, they call it in luge—down the final bends than most sliders prefer, and the combination of speed and gravitational pull was too much for his 176-pound body to control.

Sliding diagonally, Kumaritashvili smashed into a corner entering the final straightaway feet-first. He was knocked off his sled and sailed in the other direction, apparently hitting his head before coming to rest on a metal walkway. His sled stayed on the track and skidded to a stop near the finish line.

The first rescue worker just happened to be nearby and was at his side within three seconds.

At the finish line, there was a loud gasp as onlookers watched in horror as he was catapulted helplessly through the air. Officials quickly switched off a giant TV screen showing the action on the track and did not show a replay of the incident. Soon after, the track was closed as local and Royal Canadian Mounted Police kept media members at a distance as the investigation began.

Kumaritashvili’s inexperience may have played a factor in the crash, but he had qualified to compete. This would have been his first Olympics. He competed in five World Cup races this season, finishing 44th in the world standings.

“When you are going that fast it just takes one slip and you can have that big mistake,” U.S. doubles luger Christian Niccum said Thursday, when asked about track safety. “All of us are very calm going down, but if you start jerking at 90 mph or making quick reactions, that sled will steer. That’s the difference between luge and bobsled and skeleton, we’re riding on a very sharp edge and that sled will go exactly where we tell it to so you better be telling it the right things on the way down.”

Earlier in the day, two-time Olympic champion Armin Zoeggeler of Italy crashed, losing control of his sled on Curve 11. Zoeggeler came off his sled and held it with his left arm to keep it from smashing atop his body. He slid on his back down several curves before coming to a stop and walking away.

Training days in Whistler have been crash-filled. A Romanian woman was knocked unconscious and at least four Americans—Chris Mazdzer on Wednesday, Megan Sweeney on Thursday and both Benshoof and Bengt Walden on Friday in the same training session where Zoeggeler wrecked—have had serious trouble just getting down the track.

Rogge said he was in contact with Kumaritashvili’s family—the slider’s father is president of the Georgian luge federation and his cousin is the team’s coach, VANOC officials said—and the Georgian government. The remaining seven members of the Georgian Olympic delegation decided to stay in the games and dedicated their performances to their fallen teammate.

They marched into BC Place Stadium wearing black armbands and their nation’s red-and-white flag was trimmed with a black ribbon. Later, a full minute of silence was observed in honor of Kumaritashvili, the fourth competitor to die at the Winter Games, all in training, and the first since 1992.

“It’s really unfortunate to have something like that happen,” U.S. snowboarding star Shaun White said. “We’re all in different sports and from different countries but when we get here, we’re all part of the same family. It’s definitely affected everyone here.”

Under giant Olympic rings near the medals plaza in downtown Whistler, mourners placed candles and flowers around a photograph of Kumaritashvili, on his sled and barreling down the track. Around the photo, an inscription read: “In Memory of Nodar Kumaritashvili, May he rest in peace.”

Crashes happen often in luge—at least 12 sliders have wrecked just this week on the daunting Whistler surface. Still, some who have been around tracks their entire lives couldn’t remember someone actually being thrown over the wall.

“It’s a very rare situation,” three-time Olympic champion and German coach Georg Hackl said.

Shortly before the accident, Hackl said he didn’t believe the Whistler track was unsafe.

“People have the opinion it is dangerous but the track crew does the best it can and they are working hard to make sure the track is in good shape and everyone is safe,” he said. “My opinion is that it’s not any more dangerous than anywhere else.”
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I respect and admire any luger who gets into that track a day after a man died on it. I know I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it.
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Broomstick wrote:The pictures are hard to look at, but I saw some of the video of the accident broadcast. The only good thing I have to say is that death must have been quick. As mentioned, he impacted the pole with the back of his head/neck going from nearly 90 mph (144 kph) to 0 in an instant. Even with hypothetical padding, just having his brain slosh around in his skull from that sort of stop could easily be fatal. It's not enough to merely stop a flying body at that speed, you have to slow it down prior to coming rest. Sudden stops are a Bad Thing in those circumstances.

There's talk of starting the races lower down the track, which will reduce speeds. If that works out it's a quick and cheap fix that might well save lives.
They can also add frost, I believe, which would slow down the track as well. That doesn't sound like it would be difficult or expensive either.
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It may well have been human error, but that should be a major consideration when designing a track that takes humans to 90mph.

A few sheets of 4x8 plywood and this guy could have walked away from this with some cracked ribs and a few broken bones, instead of in a wooden box.
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I got pretty upset yesterday when I learned about it. Too young, he was my age for fuck's sake.
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He was less than half my age - it's been bothering both the Other Half and me. I'm no stranger to activities with inherent risk and high speed myself, but this just seems so.... it's seems like the margin for error was inhumanly slim. I sincerely hope they thoroughly examine and evaluate that track, and make changes appropriate to safety. It can be exciting without being deadly.
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Look at this picture:

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On the left you can see where they built up the wall - that's where the Georgian athlete flew off the track. And you can see the orange pads on the beams, those are new.

You know, in retrospect it seems obvious that those beams should have been padded. As I mentioned upthread, I'm not convinced it would have saved the young man's life under the circumstances, given the high speed involved, but that doesn't mean the pads couldn't be useful in other circumstances. They're also starting the men's single luge at the "women's" start, which will reduce top speeds.
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Gee, bet all that cost at least a couple thousand dollars.

What a waste of human life.

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Broomstick wrote:You know, in retrospect it seems obvious that those beams should have been padded. As I mentioned upthread, I'm not convinced it would have saved the young man's life under the circumstances, given the high speed involved, but that doesn't mean the pads couldn't be useful in other circumstances. They're also starting the men's single luge at the "women's" start, which will reduce top speeds.
It would take a lot more padding than that to safely stop a person travelling that fast.

The video of the crash shows him going to high in the turn, hitting the top, then the bottom, then he flies out of the turn and into the pole. He obviously lost control going into the turn. He also was not going near the fastest recorded speed of the track, which was over 155 km/h.

The track has also been in use for two years in international events, without problems earlier.
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If they could install that new wall extension this quickly, they can also install nets. Especially that special netting Sea Skimmer described.

Those pads look rather thin... In fact, they appear to be less substantial than the padding used on the bottom and sides of basketball backboards and the padding wrapped around the base of the support that holds up the backboard and net. And that padding is used to cushion people who move at running speed, tops.
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Ekiqa wrote:
The track has also been in use for two years in international events, without problems earlier.
They had several injuries at International Training Week, after which the president of the International Luge Federation expressed concern over the track calling the top speed of 149 km/h (93 mph) "too fast."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler_S ... _World_Cup

crashes are problems, even if they are minor in comparrison. The track is the fastest in the world, extra caution in its design was called for.
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Ekiqa wrote:
It would take a lot more padding than that to safely stop a person travelling that fast.

The video of the crash shows him going to high in the turn, hitting the top, then the bottom, then he flies out of the turn and into the pole. He obviously lost control going into the turn. He also was not going near the fastest recorded speed of the track, which was over 155 km/h.
The difference between his speed and the track record is about 7mph, which is not enough to matter if someone is going to be killed hitting a exposed steel pole. Nor is it by any means slow.

The track has also been in use for two years in international events, without problems earlier.
Two years isn’t very long to go without someone being killed at a sporting facility used by so few people you know. This was going to happen, if not with this guy then someone else because its just a stupid design they had going. As long as something will keep you in the track, you shouldn't be killed at any speed you could go on a a luge track. They could have easily put in a whole bunch of different safety features, and this is kind of what you expect when you have a huge international event. That new padding is pretty pathetic, but sheets of three inch thick of foam would have worked well had they done any planning.
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I think the wall is much more important than the padding. Like you said, if they can stay in the track, they are fairly safe. I think the same day some guy lost control and fell out of his sled. Held on to it for a few turns, slowing himself down before standing up and walking off.
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