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Captain Seafort wrote:
Revy wrote:One thing I wouldn't mind having - how about more than one companion? The Doctor used to travel with more than one person didnt he?
One, Two and Five did, but Three, Four, Six and Seven used the "Doctor + one female human" pattern. The only occasion any of them broke the pattern was when Adric joined for Four's last four serials.
Four did more than that. Harry was a bona fide companion with Sarah for the first 6 stories of Tom Baker's tenure. Adric was along for the ride for 5 stories. He did the 3 e-space ones and also Keeper of Traken and Logopolis
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The heck with this, we need to see the TIME WAR. Breat the time lock and show us the Nightmare Child!
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Thing about the Time War is, as much as I'd love to see Timothy Dalton play Rassilon's utter contempt for his opponents once more, the Time Lords being outed as "just-as-bad-as-Daleks" would lessen the impact of watching the Time War and the Doctor's resolution to it.
I suppose they could depict the Time Lord's descent from aloof masters of the universe to war torn degenerates in a clever and thoughtful manner... but I doubt it.
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hell, forget the time war. show us the other enemies that fought in it! introduce ne and scary enemies that could perhaps become on par with the Daleks!

and in fact, why not have other time lords make an appearance. some of them certainly would have run like the Master.

and what about captain Jack's origins? that time organization should be an interesting thing to look at. and didnt Ace go off and become the boss of one of these in the expanded universe?
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Hillary wrote:Four did more than that. Harry was a bona fide companion with Sarah for the first 6 stories of Tom Baker's tenure. Adric was along for the ride for 5 stories. He did the 3 e-space ones and also Keeper of Traken and Logopolis
I wasn't counting Full Circle as a companion episode for Adric, given his role, but good point on Baker's first series. How did I forget Harry Sullivan? :?

Still, Four kept to the "Doctor + one female companion" pattern most of the time. Sort of. Does the dog count?
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I for one want to see the Doctor's Daughter again. That cute petite little acrobatic blonde chick was hot.
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I'm kinda wanting to see these planet sucking vampires I read about on the Doctor Who Wiki.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:I for one want to see the Doctor's Daughter again. That cute petite little acrobatic blonde chick was hot.
She was also the daughter of Peter Davison, who was one of the actors to play the Doctor in the classic series. So the "Doctor's daughter" just added an extra layer of meaning.
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Hillary wrote:Four did more than that. Harry was a bona fide companion with Sarah for the first 6 stories of Tom Baker's tenure. Adric was along for the ride for 5 stories. He did the 3 e-space ones and also Keeper of Traken and Logopolis
I wasn't counting Full Circle as a companion episode for Adric, given his role, but good point on Baker's first series. How did I forget Harry Sullivan? :?

Still, Four kept to the "Doctor + one female companion" pattern most of the time. Sort of. Does the dog count?
We should also include Nissa and Tegan as Doctor companions for Logopolis. And, of course, he was in the only "solo" story of the old series, Deadly Assassin. :nitpicker:

Can we just quietly forget about the dog? :lol:
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considering how the new chief writer was the one who made sure the Doctors Daughter survived, we probably will see some more of her. then again, this is the same guy who forgot he had made her survive.

actually, i would like to see some more of the timelords who did not seem to take part in the time war. we know about the Master surviving, but then there is Donna's dad, who was heavily hinted at in the last Christmas special to have been a timelord at one point. there are probably others. whatever, it seems that there are plenty of lose ends that could be tied up.
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actually, i would like to see some more of the timelords who did not seem to take part in the time war. we know about the Master surviving, but then there is Donna's dad, who was heavily hinted at in the last Christmas special to have been a timelord at one point.
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By the time "Victory of the Daleks" is aired, it will already be nearly two years since "Journey's End" back in the Summer of 2008, so the general viewing public (and kids in particular) some time has passed with no Daleks. And when I was stuck in hospital I had access to Cartoon Network where they were showing toy adverts for Dalek action figures and headsets around the clock.

Anyway Doctor Who and Torchwood get nominated for the Saturn Awards[/url] and here's some real news about another, longer trailer that's going to be shown on BBC1, at 18:30 on Saturday, tomorrow. And here's a cheesy promotional image.
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actually, i would like to see some more of the timelords who did not seem to take part in the time war. we know about the Master surviving, but then there is Donna's dad, who was heavily hinted at in the last Christmas special to have been a timelord at one point.
Leaving aside the fact that Wilf is actually Donna's grandfather (her actual father appeared in The Runaway Bride, and died off-screen before Donna next appeared), you seem to have totally misread what The End of Time was implying about Wilf. All that the episode's foreshadowing meant was that he would be partly responsible for the Tenth Doctor's regeneration, not that he was a Time Lord or anything like that.
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Donna's grandfather
whoops :oops: knew it was something like that. only one generation off.

but the point is that he seemed to be able to communicate with a timelord, when no one else could. was referred to as "old soldier" who wasnt able to fight. that to me indicates he was a timelord who was not able to fight in the time war. of course, i could be wrong.

oooooh, a new trailer. its times like this that i am glad i live in england. 8)
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You are looking at a few lines of dialogue and completely jump to conclusions that make no sense. If he was a timelord, why did the doctor not instantly detect him like he did with others?
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two words, Fob watch. we have seen before it is possible that a timelord can be turned into a human. twice. once with the doctor, and once with the master. so its entirely possible that others might have used it to escape the time war.
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So...what have you got that shows that Will is a timelord besides some dialogue of which you are the only one who sees it that way?
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thegreatpl wrote:was referred to as "old soldier" who wasnt able to fight. that to me indicates he was a timelord who was not able to fight in the time war. of course, i could be wrong.
He was an old soldier because he had fought in World War II, and he wasn't able to fight as much any more because of his age.
two words, Fob watch.
I don't remember Wilf having one, and even if he did, it wouldn't prove anything. Heck, there was an entire scene in The Next Doctor that made fun of the whole fobwatch business.
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true, it may be me reading too much into it, but still. and if i remember correctly, he didnt get to fight. that was most definitely mentioned. he never got to fight in any war. he did serve in the army at one point though.
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I still remember when people thought that Donna might be the Master because of the whole sound of drums thing, and then they go and do a special where just about everyone but Donna turns into the Master. Really, with things like regeneration, time travel and chameleon archs', just about anyone could be just about anyone, and you could get really carried away with it.

I'd counter the idea of Wilf being a time lord simply because he never once has the kind of reaction that Dr Yana or Mr Smith has to hearing about all the weird stuff that goes on in the average episode. Yana only had to hear about the TARDIS and regeneration before he started getting a massive sense of deja-vu, and John Smith made an entire diary of his life as the Doctor from the persistent and vivid dreams he had. Residual awareness, which Wilf definitely does not seem to have.

Now that I think about it though, if the problem Donna had stemed from being half-timelord, why the hell didn't they just hook her up to the chameleon arch and use it to change her cells back into that of a full human? Problem solved, and they can even customize her memory to boot.

And while I'm complaining, how the hell did the Time War ever even get as far as it did when all it would take to end it would be one time lord absorbing the time vortex and erasing the Daleks from existence the way Rose did? Are they really so brain dead that that course of action never occured to them when Gallifrey itself was burning? The Doctor said that if a time lord did that, they'd become a vengeful god. Big whoop - they were ready to destroy the entire universe to win anyway, so why not have one of them shoot up on vortex juice and, if not too crazy afterwards, spit it back out and regenerate. Ugh. That BadWolf Rose thing was just retarded.
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Revy wrote:And while I'm complaining, how the hell did the Time War ever even get as far as it did when all it would take to end it would be one time lord absorbing the time vortex and erasing the Daleks from existence the way Rose did?
Sounds like a no limits fallacy to me. All we saw Rose do was destroy a small fleet of inferior Dalek saucers, and make one human immortal. These were Daleks the Doctor described as 'half-mad scavangers', who couldn't even defeat a skateboard-sized shield generator or prevent the Doctor materialising inside their ship. The Time War was truly vast in scope, millions if not billions of ships, engagements spread throughout the timeline etc. The Daleks there were not only much more numerous, they had much better technology; at least as good as Davros's pocket empire, which had no trouble neutralising and destroying the Tardis and was in the process of destroying the entire multiverse.
Are they really so brain dead that that course of action never occured to them when Gallifrey itself was burning?
Maybe Dalek technology was strong enough to counter it. Maybe they figured the limited amount of damage said Time Lord could do wasn't worth the risks. Maybe the TIA tried it, the experiment went horribly wrong and all involved decided not to try it again.

The Doctor said that if a time lord did that, they'd become a vengeful god.
The bar for being a 'god' in the Whoverse is set pretty low; plenty of single-story villains were considered gods but handily defeated by the Doctor.
Ugh. That BadWolf Rose thing was just retarded.
You know I thought so at the time, but later RTD stuff (Journey's End...) was bad enough to make it look almost acceptable.
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It's also been implied multiple times that TARDISes are alive to some degree. Considering the Time Lords had gone slightly ga-ga by the latter stages of the Time War, maybe they tried to get a TARDIS to open up and bestow vortex powers on one of them, but the TARDIS just wasn't inclined to do so, knowing what a half-crazed Time Lord could do with such power.
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Don't be retarded. Not only is that mega-lame it's obviously wrong because the Time Lordshave plenty of ways to access and control the vortex. Like Starglider says for there to be a 'war' the Daleks must have had parity here, which the S1 Daleks clearly didn't. Turns out what appears stupid because of RTD's disregard for consistency is fixable.

Just not with the later drivel.
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OK guys, here's the S5 preview:

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Big Orange wrote:OK guys, here's the S5 preview:

Wow... That, was unbelievably lame :wtf:
We get a mish mash of a bunch of random bad guys floating in a vortex and the new Dr babbling... not exactly enthused...
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