Daleks in Warhammer 40k

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1. Davros and the Dalek fleet from Journey's End appear in the middle of the Warhammer 40000 universe, in neutral territory.

2. The Emperor and his Dalek fleet appear at the same place

3. The same as 1, but with the Doctor and his TARDIS along for the ride.

4. Same as 2, but with the Doctor and the TARDIS along for the ride.

So, what happens?

[Sarevok]

What forms of time travel are allowed in this scenario ?

[mr friendly guy]

The Daleks need time travel? Given that the Imperium, Eldar etc were more powerful in the past (although not at the same time) wouldn't it be more prudent to stay in the present?

Given that these new comers look like small fry for the moment, I can imagine the Daleks are left alone if they appear in neutral territory. Just until they build their wank weapon reality bomb then its game over.

Even if the Daleks appear right over Earth, whats to stop them escaping with their extragalactic FTL, building their wank weapon and then starting again.

If the Daleks were smart, they wouldn't need to engage 40K powers tactically. Heck even if they don't build their reality bomb they could cause shit loads of damage by using their magnetron and pulling worlds out of orbit. Does 40 K have planet moving technology?

[hongi]

Does 40 K have planet moving technology?

Not anymore. The Eldars and Imperium at their height probably could, according to some obscure fluff that I can't remember just at this moment.

2. The Emperor and his Dalek fleet appear at the same place

We saw that the fleet of the Dalek Emperor could scrunch up the continents of Australia and Europe in a couple of seconds of BDZ. At the very least, they'll have firepower parity with WH40K.

[Serafina]

If they have to worry about anything, then the C'tan and perhaps a combined effort of the Chaos gods.

The Emperor could have competed with them (he beat up an C'tan after all), but he's not really on the playing field any more.

[Shroom Man 777]

Nothing in the conventional 40kverse has the capability to move planets from both space and time, to rearrange them in some crazy world-ending constellation in the Medusa's Cascade. The only thing that could match that would be friggin' Warp Gods and their feats of insanities causing warp storms and stuff.

But the Daleks themselves, as individuals, would definitely be susceptible to 40k firepower. Their ships that can remodel Europe and Australia in a handful of minutes, on the other hand, most probably trump 40k examples of Exterminatus.

[hongi]

But the Daleks themselves, as individuals, would definitely be susceptible to 40k firepower. Their ships that can remodel Europe and Australia in a handful of minutes, on the other hand, most probably trump 40k examples of Exterminatus.

Australia becomes spiral-shaped when the Daleks bomb it. I mean the country literally warps in on itself in a matter of seconds (not minutes). That's pretty funky weaponry they got there.

Not to mention the obscene number of superweapons they can pull out of their asses. And their wankish technological progression.

The Daleks need time travel? Given that the Imperium, Eldar etc were more powerful in the past (although not at the same time) wouldn't it be more prudent to stay in the present?

The TARDIS went forward 100 trillion years and that was an outdated model. For the Daleks to challenge the Time Lords in the War, they must have been able to match that sort of performance. So the Daleks could concievably go back to a time when there were no contenders in the galaxy, when every major race was a twinkle in the eye. Easy win.

[Srelex]

Wasn't it stated in the old series that Dalek vessels have planet-busting firepower? Certainly, it was stated that the Daleks had conquered galaxies, which says a lot for their FTL and supply chains if they're able to keep it all together. Now, how would a Dalek fare against a Space Marine, considering their weapons tend to ignore armor, as far as I can tell?

[mr friendly guy]

The planet busting came from the Dalek Empire audios. While it would be interesting to see tactical battles like a Dalek vs Space Marine on the ground, I think on the strategic level is what is going to decide this. Davros was patient enough to wait it out and wait to build up his wank device, so I don't see why he would be a hurry to pick fights with 40K powers.

[Srelex]

The planet busting came from the Dalek Empire audios. While it would be interesting to see tactical battles like a Dalek vs Space Marine on the ground, I think on the strategic level is what is going to decide this. Davros was patient enough to wait it out and wait to build up his wank device, so I don't see why he would be a hurry to pick fights with 40K powers.

Didn't the Seventh Doctor at one point in the series describe a Dalek ship as being able to 'crack a planet' or something like that? Yes, I know it's just dialogue and this was never demonstrated, but then again I don't think the Doctor had any reason to lie then.

[Shroom Man 777]

We've seen what the Dalek Emperor and his ragtag fleet, crewed by Dalek mongrels, could do.

[harbringer]

The Daleks have been said to be able to destroy worlds a number of times, which isn't all that surprising given all their advantages. With weapons that seem to change regularly in effect but always seem to avoid armour where possible - at one time they used to reorganise your internal organs for instance (although how did they affect the Movellans ... I can't remember the episode clearly). Able to produce on huge scales, travel enormous differences with time travel in time line (as opposed to creating alternate time lines). They are probably one of the most overpowered races on TV that is "evil" or perhaps with a capital 'E'. In short they will at the low end give 40k a run for it's money - high end time war Daleks might prove impossible to stop in the 41st and perhaps any other millennium. I'm not sure if/how well your average Dalek will handle a marine, however they don't come in ones so it might be a moot point since marines are rare enough that some Imperial guard regiments have never seen one. I am not sure how some of the older races like 'crons or eldar would handle them but Tau or Imperium would be buried by Daleks if required. On a downside apparently they are extremely logical and need tame humans/Davros to come up with creative tactics oh and some Daleks have a stair issue (everything is fine until those damn stairs stop the invasion cold).

[Teleros]

oh and some Daleks have a stair issue (everything is fine until those damn stairs stop the invasion cold).

"E-LE-VATE!"

From what I can see, there are two or three means 40k has of fighting off the Daleks: the Warp, the major Warp powers (Chaos Gods, GEoM etc), and perhaps the C'Tan, given how they like to mess around with physical laws and such:

1. Accidental time travel via the Warp is both fairly rare and, from what I've seen, doesn't send you that far forwards or backwards (compared to the Daleks, obviously).
2. However, the Warp could probably be used to hide from Dalek time travel, given it doesn't exactly follow the usual physical laws.
3. The Chaos Gods & GEoM etc may be able to help with both of these, but it would have to be on a scale of involvement never before seen if 40k factions were to win.
4. Daemons vs Daleks would be a hell of a nasty fight, because of the former's knack of outright violating the usual laws of physics.
5. The C'Tan & Necrons seem to have an enormous empire once it fully wakes up, but the real issue is whether the C'Tan can counter Dalek time travel.
6. I wonder how easy it would be to corrupt the Daleks. Possessed pepper pots sounds like a nightmare to face .

[NecronLord]

This is ridiculous. No one can stop the daleks.

6. I wonder how easy it would be to corrupt the Daleks. Possessed pepper pots sounds like a nightmare to face .

Almost impossible. Most chaos corruption requires a seed of ambition or disloyalty. Even Khorne would have no appeal to a dalek; they actually do believe all their propaganda.

[Shroom Man 777]

Daleks do not feel. The warp gods rely on emotions to sustain them. The Daleks truly do not have this.

[Srelex]

Daleks do not feel. The warp gods rely on emotions to sustain them. The Daleks truly do not have this.

Er, the Daleks do feel anger and hatred for practically anything, as they like to make clear on every occasion.

[Crazedwraith]

Daleks do not feel. The warp gods rely on emotions to sustain them. The Daleks truly do not have this.

They don't feel anything except rage and hate, if I recall correctly. Are there warp gods that tap into that sort of thing?

[Shroom Man 777]

Are you sure? Cause that Dalek in season 1 of nuWho was positively disgusted by the fact that he was feeling emotions.

[Srelex]

Are you sure? Cause that Dalek in season 1 of nuWho was positively disgusted by the fact that he was feeling emotions.

Perhaps emotions other than drooling hate.

[TC Pilot]

Are you sure? Cause that Dalek in season 1 of nuWho was positively disgusted by the fact that he was feeling emotions.

The Doctor also says in the same episode that hate is the only emotion they're capable of feeling.

[Bedlam]

Are you sure? Cause that Dalek in season 1 of nuWho was positively disgusted by the fact that he was feeling emotions.

The Doctor also says in the same episode that hate is the only emotion they're capable of feeling.

Khorne seems the closest chaos god for them although I could see them creating their own 'god' in a similar way to Gork and Mork being created by Orks maybe something that embodies in the Emperor Dalek? It would presumably start quite small but probably large for the number of followers it has given how single minded Daleks are but would grow with their empire.

[takemeout_totheblack]

Space Marine vs Dalek

SM: the feth is that thing?
D: EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!!
SM: I think you mean 'exterminatu-'
beeeewoooooooo
SM: *hurk* (dead)
D: DA-LEKS CON-QUER AND DES-TROY!!! DA-LEKS CON-QUER AND DES-
SM's Chapter Brother shows up with bolter. Dalek a'splodes
SM: Huh, the feth was that thing?
another Dalek shows up
D: EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!!!
(wash rinse repeat, until both main forces come looking for their missing members)

I don't think the Chaos gods would be able to influence the Daleks in the slightest, they corrupt ambition and stuff. Sure the Dalek's sheer unrelenting hatred of all things ever would probably fuel them.

[mr friendly guy]

The planet busting came from the Dalek Empire audios. While it would be interesting to see tactical battles like a Dalek vs Space Marine on the ground, I think on the strategic level is what is going to decide this. Davros was patient enough to wait it out and wait to build up his wank device, so I don't see why he would be a hurry to pick fights with 40K powers.

Didn't the Seventh Doctor at one point in the series describe a Dalek ship as being able to 'crack a planet' or something like that? Yes, I know it's just dialogue and this was never demonstrated, but then again I don't think the Doctor had any reason to lie then.

That was in Rememberance of the Daleks. That being said its a dialogue thing so all it shows is that the Doctor was fully cognizant of Dalek capabilities and I don't use that as proof of Dalek abilities per se.

[Stark]

2. The Emperor and his Dalek fleet appear at the same place

We saw that the fleet of the Dalek Emperor could scrunch up the continents of Australia and Europe in a couple of seconds of BDZ. At the very least, they'll have firepower parity with WH40K.[/quote]

That's if you assume the Earth was covered in survey posts that still functioned after being massively dislocated or something. 'Display goes wobbly' is a pretty poor excuse for continental dislocation and it's pretty worthless evidence (although we know they killed everyone); the station wasn't destroyed by huge amounts of ejecta or anything. Pretty much the only way the terminal display is acceptable is if you assume the station observed the planet with video, removed everything but the continental outline and presented that (deleting for example the giant doomfleet of unstoppable doom, environmental disruption, etc).

[Enigma]

Are you sure? Cause that Dalek in season 1 of nuWho was positively disgusted by the fact that he was feeling emotions.

Didn't that Dalek also took some DNA from Rose to heal itself? If so, maybe that is how it began to feel emotions?