Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
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Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
I saw no thread, so what the heck. As an aside, something I thought all the stories did pretty well was incorporating the Halo soundtrack into their stories appropriately, which helped elevate some of the action on the screen.
Homecoming
In which loaded firearms are pointed at crippled children
A story told in both present day and flashbacks, Daisey is a Spartan trying to help evacuate a squad of Marines off-planet. Events are compared to a younger Daisey who, with a group of students, escape from the Spartan program to return to their families, obviously not liking the whole "abducted and experimented on" part of being super-soldiers. However when she get home she discovers she's been replaced by a clone, though why the clone is wheelchair-bound is never explained. Dr. Halesy, following behind in a helicopter, apparently wanted her to know this, though it seems reckless considering Daisey had a pistol and came near to killing the clone out of anger. Instead of murder (or suicide, as some of the other escapees chose), Daisey choses to go back to the program out of a sense of duty, though again her reasoning is never fully explained. The animation was off in many places, especially with the Elites, and it seemed plodding towards the end, turning this into a somewhat poor story.
The Duel
In which Samurai battle it out in Feudal Japan for honor!
You think I joke, but I kid you not when I say you could replace every single Elite with a Japanese person and the above would be more or less true. An Arbiter has a beef with an O-yoroi wearing Elite because...of...something. It has to do with killing the Arbiter's wife (and yes, Elite women have teh boobies ) and the Arbiter being an atheist, but then the pacing is so disjointed it's a wonder anything is understandable. Not helping in that regard is the animation, where characters' movements look stilted and everything is so blurry you wonder if it's an attempt to hide the poor job they did. Apparently Elite mouths have magical shapeshifting properties, becoming like normal human mouths when talking with each other. And the climatic battle is LOL worthy: the Arbiter charges across an open plan against 100+ Elites who can't aim for shit and slaughters them all with energy swords, along with a Wraith and a Hunter the size of a Rancor. The final "duel" is about as cliched as possible, with Arbiter-san and Bad Guy-san squaring off with no movement for a minute before doing an incomprehensible sword swipe with both combatants landing behind each other, with both their wounds on a time delay to start spurting blood. I'd be pissed off if I'd payed any money for this crap.
Origins Pt I & II
In which nothing especially interesting happens
Cortana, having nothing better to do after the end of Halo 3 now that the Chief is on ice, recounts the history of the Halo universe starting with the Forerunners. We get a glimpse of them in armor suits, humanoid of course, and about how they ineptly handled the Flood invasion, waiting too long to do anything to stop them and by then it's too late. We also get to see some Forerunner combat units in action, including armored Forerunners, and it's underwhelming. And apparently the Forerunner ship seen in the second and third games is one of several used to repopulate after the Rings go off. After that it continues on to the Human-Covenant war and the three games, which if you know anything about Halo you probably already know. I suppose if you didn't want to read a book or website or play any of the games and wanted a quick twenty-minute breakdown of the history of Halo, this does the trick. Animation was crisp, and it sounded like they got the actual Cortana actress to do the voice-over narration, but otherwise the only thing new to report is that apparently Cortana's starting to get glitchy. Ho hum.
The Package
In which Spartans board a Covenant ship and KICK SOME FUCKING ASS!
Apparently a Covenant fleet, conveniently prevented from leaving a star system because of solar radiation, has something important the UNSC wants, so they send their shielded, invisibility-cloaked, energy-weapon touting flagship to launch a team of Spartans, consisting of MC himself, Fred, Kelly, and two mooks, to go get it. The Spartans, badass as they are, plow into the heart of the Covenant fleet riding open-top crotch-rocket, each armed with a guass cannon, twin autocannons, missile racks, plasma flares, an energy shield, and a pop-up chaingun in the rear requiring a second person to use. Riding such phallic-shaped penis compensators into battle and spouting poorly voice-acted lines, they easily blast through the fleet's defense to the target. The first mook boards the first cruiser in which they think the package is located, only to find that it's a bomb and the entire ship blows up in his face. A bit drastic, you say? As we'll see later, it's the only reliable way for the Covenant to kill Spartans.
So the team continues on to the flagship, correctly guessing it's the only logical place to put the real package, and the second mook dies to add some drama to their spanking of Covenant manhood in space before boarding the ship. Meanwhile on the flagship, the gold-armored bad guy in charge is angry at his red-armored assistant because, I don't know, he pissed in goldie's breakfast cereal or something, and so go tells him to slow the Spartans down. Which is surely a death sentence, as the three Spartans are running through the hallways at full speed, God Mode turned up to 11 as they perforate everything that gets in their way with overwhelming firepower such that you wonder how the Covenant are a threat at all. Goldie even starts detaching sections of the ship, sending them falling out into space, just to slow the Spartans down, but nothing can stop Master Chief from reaching the package, which turns out to be...Dr. Halsey. She even spouts some Cortana lines, in case you still didn't know she was Cortana's template. Finally the red-armored major shows up and the two engage in a gratuitous sword battle, where amazingly Elite doesn't get skullfucked within two seconds like everyone else. However, before the fight can be resolved, he gets grav-lifted away because goldie, now that the Plot Device is over, can do a Slipspace jump, and so just detaches the entire lower half of the ship to escape. The Spartans and their mom all escape aboard the UNSC super-ship and live happily ever after.
Prototype
In which a Battletech Elemental ruins some shit
This was a pretty decent one, all things considered. A Marine Sergeant hijacks a prototype armor suit, rather than destroying it as ordered, to cover the escape of his men as they evacuate a planet under Covenant attack. A few years earlier he was the only survivor of his entire platoon getting wiped out, including the woman he loved, but even holding her dying body in his arms he was unable to express his feelings for her, prompting her to ask him to 'be human.' Thus he tries to find some measure of redemption by sacrificing himself to save his men and everyone else by escaping the planet. Animation, voice-acting and music were all slick, and the suit itself surely ties the crotch-rockets in terms of masturbatory fantasy: jump jets, shoulder-mounted cannon and missile rack, gatling gun for a right arm, and a self-destruct easily rivaling any nuclear device.
The Babysitter
In which cocky bastards get shown up
A squad of Helljumpers, including Dutch apparently, assist a Spartan on a mission to assassinate a Prophet using a sniper rifle. There's some animosity between the two groups, though why is never explored, but this is especially the case for O'Brien, a cocky bastard pissed off that he's not the one taking the shot, hot shit that he is. Of course by the end O'Brien is shown the error of his ways as the Spartan saves his life a number of times, eventually earning his respect, and when she is fatally injured (her gender revelation supposedly a big surprise) asks him to take the shot. Good from a technical standpoint, the story is decent though predictable and does a good job of highlighting the differences in abilities between Spartans and normal people.
Odd One Out
In which 'what the fuck' is given a new meaning
A very big pile of goofy meh. Spartan 1337 falls out of a Pelican and runs into some kids riding a T-Rex. He then fights against a genetically engineered Brute who shoots laser beams from his mouth, gets some help from the kid's older brother & sister, and the monster is finally finished off by a half-buried frigate firing a rainbow beam at him, sending him into Slipspace. And the frigate is home to the kid's 'mom', an old AI program. 1337 has some funny lines and shows some potential as a comedic character if they do any later stories with him, but on the whole the thing just seems silly for silliness sake.
Homecoming
In which loaded firearms are pointed at crippled children
A story told in both present day and flashbacks, Daisey is a Spartan trying to help evacuate a squad of Marines off-planet. Events are compared to a younger Daisey who, with a group of students, escape from the Spartan program to return to their families, obviously not liking the whole "abducted and experimented on" part of being super-soldiers. However when she get home she discovers she's been replaced by a clone, though why the clone is wheelchair-bound is never explained. Dr. Halesy, following behind in a helicopter, apparently wanted her to know this, though it seems reckless considering Daisey had a pistol and came near to killing the clone out of anger. Instead of murder (or suicide, as some of the other escapees chose), Daisey choses to go back to the program out of a sense of duty, though again her reasoning is never fully explained. The animation was off in many places, especially with the Elites, and it seemed plodding towards the end, turning this into a somewhat poor story.
The Duel
In which Samurai battle it out in Feudal Japan for honor!
You think I joke, but I kid you not when I say you could replace every single Elite with a Japanese person and the above would be more or less true. An Arbiter has a beef with an O-yoroi wearing Elite because...of...something. It has to do with killing the Arbiter's wife (and yes, Elite women have teh boobies ) and the Arbiter being an atheist, but then the pacing is so disjointed it's a wonder anything is understandable. Not helping in that regard is the animation, where characters' movements look stilted and everything is so blurry you wonder if it's an attempt to hide the poor job they did. Apparently Elite mouths have magical shapeshifting properties, becoming like normal human mouths when talking with each other. And the climatic battle is LOL worthy: the Arbiter charges across an open plan against 100+ Elites who can't aim for shit and slaughters them all with energy swords, along with a Wraith and a Hunter the size of a Rancor. The final "duel" is about as cliched as possible, with Arbiter-san and Bad Guy-san squaring off with no movement for a minute before doing an incomprehensible sword swipe with both combatants landing behind each other, with both their wounds on a time delay to start spurting blood. I'd be pissed off if I'd payed any money for this crap.
Origins Pt I & II
In which nothing especially interesting happens
Cortana, having nothing better to do after the end of Halo 3 now that the Chief is on ice, recounts the history of the Halo universe starting with the Forerunners. We get a glimpse of them in armor suits, humanoid of course, and about how they ineptly handled the Flood invasion, waiting too long to do anything to stop them and by then it's too late. We also get to see some Forerunner combat units in action, including armored Forerunners, and it's underwhelming. And apparently the Forerunner ship seen in the second and third games is one of several used to repopulate after the Rings go off. After that it continues on to the Human-Covenant war and the three games, which if you know anything about Halo you probably already know. I suppose if you didn't want to read a book or website or play any of the games and wanted a quick twenty-minute breakdown of the history of Halo, this does the trick. Animation was crisp, and it sounded like they got the actual Cortana actress to do the voice-over narration, but otherwise the only thing new to report is that apparently Cortana's starting to get glitchy. Ho hum.
The Package
In which Spartans board a Covenant ship and KICK SOME FUCKING ASS!
Apparently a Covenant fleet, conveniently prevented from leaving a star system because of solar radiation, has something important the UNSC wants, so they send their shielded, invisibility-cloaked, energy-weapon touting flagship to launch a team of Spartans, consisting of MC himself, Fred, Kelly, and two mooks, to go get it. The Spartans, badass as they are, plow into the heart of the Covenant fleet riding open-top crotch-rocket, each armed with a guass cannon, twin autocannons, missile racks, plasma flares, an energy shield, and a pop-up chaingun in the rear requiring a second person to use. Riding such phallic-shaped penis compensators into battle and spouting poorly voice-acted lines, they easily blast through the fleet's defense to the target. The first mook boards the first cruiser in which they think the package is located, only to find that it's a bomb and the entire ship blows up in his face. A bit drastic, you say? As we'll see later, it's the only reliable way for the Covenant to kill Spartans.
So the team continues on to the flagship, correctly guessing it's the only logical place to put the real package, and the second mook dies to add some drama to their spanking of Covenant manhood in space before boarding the ship. Meanwhile on the flagship, the gold-armored bad guy in charge is angry at his red-armored assistant because, I don't know, he pissed in goldie's breakfast cereal or something, and so go tells him to slow the Spartans down. Which is surely a death sentence, as the three Spartans are running through the hallways at full speed, God Mode turned up to 11 as they perforate everything that gets in their way with overwhelming firepower such that you wonder how the Covenant are a threat at all. Goldie even starts detaching sections of the ship, sending them falling out into space, just to slow the Spartans down, but nothing can stop Master Chief from reaching the package, which turns out to be...Dr. Halsey. She even spouts some Cortana lines, in case you still didn't know she was Cortana's template. Finally the red-armored major shows up and the two engage in a gratuitous sword battle, where amazingly Elite doesn't get skullfucked within two seconds like everyone else. However, before the fight can be resolved, he gets grav-lifted away because goldie, now that the Plot Device is over, can do a Slipspace jump, and so just detaches the entire lower half of the ship to escape. The Spartans and their mom all escape aboard the UNSC super-ship and live happily ever after.
Prototype
In which a Battletech Elemental ruins some shit
This was a pretty decent one, all things considered. A Marine Sergeant hijacks a prototype armor suit, rather than destroying it as ordered, to cover the escape of his men as they evacuate a planet under Covenant attack. A few years earlier he was the only survivor of his entire platoon getting wiped out, including the woman he loved, but even holding her dying body in his arms he was unable to express his feelings for her, prompting her to ask him to 'be human.' Thus he tries to find some measure of redemption by sacrificing himself to save his men and everyone else by escaping the planet. Animation, voice-acting and music were all slick, and the suit itself surely ties the crotch-rockets in terms of masturbatory fantasy: jump jets, shoulder-mounted cannon and missile rack, gatling gun for a right arm, and a self-destruct easily rivaling any nuclear device.
The Babysitter
In which cocky bastards get shown up
A squad of Helljumpers, including Dutch apparently, assist a Spartan on a mission to assassinate a Prophet using a sniper rifle. There's some animosity between the two groups, though why is never explored, but this is especially the case for O'Brien, a cocky bastard pissed off that he's not the one taking the shot, hot shit that he is. Of course by the end O'Brien is shown the error of his ways as the Spartan saves his life a number of times, eventually earning his respect, and when she is fatally injured (her gender revelation supposedly a big surprise) asks him to take the shot. Good from a technical standpoint, the story is decent though predictable and does a good job of highlighting the differences in abilities between Spartans and normal people.
Odd One Out
In which 'what the fuck' is given a new meaning
A very big pile of goofy meh. Spartan 1337 falls out of a Pelican and runs into some kids riding a T-Rex. He then fights against a genetically engineered Brute who shoots laser beams from his mouth, gets some help from the kid's older brother & sister, and the monster is finally finished off by a half-buried frigate firing a rainbow beam at him, sending him into Slipspace. And the frigate is home to the kid's 'mom', an old AI program. 1337 has some funny lines and shows some potential as a comedic character if they do any later stories with him, but on the whole the thing just seems silly for silliness sake.
'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
Man, the idea that you can say something bad about Odd One Out is just terrible. It's easily the best of the shorts (and frankly it's a lot better than basically everything else in the franchise too), which were otherwise totally terrible. Prototype had strong production values, which sets it apart from the general morass, but I don't think it had the Studio Bones flair, so it was fairly lifeless. The whole thing was a debacle; I made comments about the whole project on Spacebattles which I will now miraculously reproduce.
Anyway, it always seemed obvious to me that this was going to be studios phoning it in; I think the Wachowski brothers are dickheads, but it's pretty clear they were really passionate about having directors put their distinctive mark on the Matrix property. For the most part I never got this impression from Halo Legends, so what you're left with is Halo's usual flat and boring storytelling tacked onto lacklustre production from studios that could be doing much better. It actually blew my mind that The Duel, which is terrible from a technical standpoint, was produced by Production I.G. As far as animation studio go it's pretty hard to find one more lauded, cutting edge or objectively impressive, but The Duel was just plain lazy. I honestly don't give a crap about the continuity of the franchise or whatever, but the direction was completely lacklustre, like it was farmed out to some third-rate newbie, as opposed to the talented Hiroshi Yamazaki.
In any case, this was the wrong format for any sort of cross-cultural collaboration. The Animatrix worked as a series of short films precisely because it was seemingly designed for experimental takes on an existing premise (the excellent Genius Party short film compliations were similarily excuses for directors to 'go wild' so to speak). Comparitively Legends just feels like a misplaced cash-in. Halo is largely shit, but that's not to say that you couldn't do something interesting with it; if they had found a director interested in the series (which is probably harder than it sounds), thrown the collected budget of Legends at him and said 'produce us a one episode OVA' then the result would likely be a lot more satisfying. There's a pretty clear level of disinterest and I'd hazard a guess that 343 Industries was fairly hands-on when it comes to overseeing production. The Blomkamp stuff always struck me as being the result of an interested dude being told 'we want you to bring this shit to life' and the result was really impressive.
Homecoming is a particularly bad example. It's ludicrously below par for the same studio that produced Stand Alone Complex, Le Chevalier D'Eon and Seirei no Moribito.
Anyway, it always seemed obvious to me that this was going to be studios phoning it in; I think the Wachowski brothers are dickheads, but it's pretty clear they were really passionate about having directors put their distinctive mark on the Matrix property. For the most part I never got this impression from Halo Legends, so what you're left with is Halo's usual flat and boring storytelling tacked onto lacklustre production from studios that could be doing much better. It actually blew my mind that The Duel, which is terrible from a technical standpoint, was produced by Production I.G. As far as animation studio go it's pretty hard to find one more lauded, cutting edge or objectively impressive, but The Duel was just plain lazy. I honestly don't give a crap about the continuity of the franchise or whatever, but the direction was completely lacklustre, like it was farmed out to some third-rate newbie, as opposed to the talented Hiroshi Yamazaki.
In any case, this was the wrong format for any sort of cross-cultural collaboration. The Animatrix worked as a series of short films precisely because it was seemingly designed for experimental takes on an existing premise (the excellent Genius Party short film compliations were similarily excuses for directors to 'go wild' so to speak). Comparitively Legends just feels like a misplaced cash-in. Halo is largely shit, but that's not to say that you couldn't do something interesting with it; if they had found a director interested in the series (which is probably harder than it sounds), thrown the collected budget of Legends at him and said 'produce us a one episode OVA' then the result would likely be a lot more satisfying. There's a pretty clear level of disinterest and I'd hazard a guess that 343 Industries was fairly hands-on when it comes to overseeing production. The Blomkamp stuff always struck me as being the result of an interested dude being told 'we want you to bring this shit to life' and the result was really impressive.
Homecoming is a particularly bad example. It's ludicrously below par for the same studio that produced Stand Alone Complex, Le Chevalier D'Eon and Seirei no Moribito.
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
The clones are deliberately engineered to be crippled and/or die after a fairly short period of time.though why the clone is wheelchair-bound is never explained.
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
Not deliberately engineered, it's just that the UNSC never managed to make full person flash-cloning work without inevitably fatal medical problems down the line.adam_grif wrote:The clones are deliberately engineered to be crippled and/or die after a fairly short period of time.though why the clone is wheelchair-bound is never explained.
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
The Package was my favorite. Probably had something to do with the animation being the most game like. I could very well see an animated series being spun off from it.
Not sure that's a good thing though.
Not sure that's a good thing though.
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Homecoming made me roll my eyes.
"It's my duty to go along with law-shattering blackwatch wannabes after kidnapping, forced conscription and brainwashing for the good of humanity."
Right. I always love to hear the screeching of mad MC/Halo fans when it's pointed out that they're favorite group of supermarines are a pack of brainwashed conscripts.
"It's my duty to go along with law-shattering blackwatch wannabes after kidnapping, forced conscription and brainwashing for the good of humanity."
Right. I always love to hear the screeching of mad MC/Halo fans when it's pointed out that they're favorite group of supermarines are a pack of brainwashed conscripts.
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
Odd One Out is hilarious its like DBZ meets Halo.
Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
Haven't read replies if this been answered but no, Jen Taylor voiced Cortana in the games they had a english dub anime voice actress doing the role. Disappointing.and it sounded like they got the actual Cortana actress to do the voice-over narration,
All in the backstory, the Helljumpers traditionally never liked the Spartans.though why is never explored
I believe this story is meant to serve as an allegory of what happened right after sometime the Elites signed the Covenent. I'ld chalk this up to unreliable narrator with one of the Elites now friendly recounting the story to get tragedy points from the Humans.In which Samurai battle it out in Feudal Japan for honor!
This is most likely a compressed adaption of the plot of the backstory from Halo: Reach (the book) and First Strike as seen by Hideo Kojima, the red armoured guy is supposed to be Keith David err I mean the Arbitor before hes given the talk and the mission to rescue Halsey is practically the same as the first anti Covenent mission the Spartan-IIs did except its a rescue instead.The Package
In which Spartans board a Covenant ship and KICK SOME FUCKING ASS!
I come to this conclusion as the details between whats canon and this part of the film are contradictory so I assume its an adaption.
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
I must see it, just for the T-rex riding children and rainbow-shitting frigates. That sounds awesome. We finally get to see the (Lizard) Master Chief punching a Space Dinosaur!
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
Hint: liking the Chief doesn't equate to thinking that what ONI did in creating the Spartan IIs was justified in anyone but the terminally bewildered.Highlord Laan wrote:Right. I always love to hear the screeching of mad MC/Halo fans when it's pointed out that they're favorite group of supermarines are a pack of brainwashed conscripts.
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
This series bears some similarity to a game I once played called Halo : Combat Evolved.
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
It was funny in places, but some of the humour was just not my cup of tea.Ford Prefect wrote:Man, the idea that you can say something bad about Odd One Out is just terrible.
The visuals were nice, but my God the story itself, it was as if a pent-up Haloite had his free hand on the script while the other was busy. And some of the visuals were a little too much like the game: when we see it from Spartan POV, their HUDs are pixel for pixel the same as the one in Halo 3.eion wrote:The Package was my favorite. Probably had something to do with the animation being the most game like. I could very well see an animated series being spun off from it.
I'd rather not have to go looking for some obscure reference buried within the franchise for something that could have easily and quickly been explained within the short itself.Blayne wrote:All in the backstory
It's still utterly ridicules whether it has historical meaning within the franchise or not.I believe this story is meant to serve as an allegory of what happened right after sometime the Elites signed the Covenent.
Were that true it would be an 'adaptation' is the loosest sense of the word, such that you might as well not even bother connecting it to any previous events.This is most likely a compressed adaption of the plot of the backstory from Halo: Reach (the book) and First Strike as seen by Hideo Kojima, the red armoured guy is supposed to be Keith David err I mean the Arbitor before hes given the talk and the mission to rescue Halsey is practically the same as the first anti Covenent mission the Spartan-IIs did except its a rescue instead.
I come to this conclusion as the details between whats canon and this part of the film are contradictory so I assume its an adaption.
'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
Balrog, the movie is obviously meant for Halo fans who've already read the backstory via the novels, if you've read at least Halo: Reach you would know that Helljumpers have an intense interservice rivalry with the Spartans because they feel that the Spartans are nudging into their turf.
You don't know what your talking about here, many franchises will turn out a work that doesn't fit in with the continuality but serves as a 'recap' a compressed form of several important elements from the series as a whole or a portion of it, this is a commonly done process.Were that true it would be an 'adaptation' is the loosest sense of the word, such that you might as well not even bother connecting it to any previous events.
Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
So fans who haven't read the books must do so if they're to understand why this animosity exists? Or why the clone was bound to a wheelchair? It certainly works from a "we want more of your money!" perspective, but even these minor details could've easily been fixed with another line or two added to the dialogue.Blayne wrote:Balrog, the movie is obviously meant for Halo fans who've already read the backstory via the novels, if you've read at least Halo: Reach you would know that Helljumpers have an intense interservice rivalry with the Spartans because they feel that the Spartans are nudging into their turf.
I am very much aware of what a recap is, and this is not it. Nowhere have I ever heard of Spartans riding tricked-out crotch-rockets, cloaking UNSC ships, or Dr. Halsey getting captured by the Covenant. And from what I remember of the books you listed, none of that happens in either of them. Or are we to assume all the other short stories are recaps as well, since they contain vague elements that can be precariously connected to events that take place in the games/books/et cetera?You don't know what your talking about here, many franchises will turn out a work that doesn't fit in with the continuality but serves as a 'recap' a compressed form of several important elements from the series as a whole or a portion of it, this is a commonly done process.
'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
The clone is bound to a wheel chair because shes a flash clone which a minimal scifi experiance would mean that they rapidly degrade and die within a few years, she was in a wheel chair because a neuralogical condition from her cellular breakdown resulted in her losing the ability to walk, also answered in Halo: Fall of Reach(corrected title).So fans who haven't read the books must do so if they're to understand why this animosity exists? Or why the clone was bound to a wheelchair? It certainly works from a "we want more of your money!" perspective, but even these minor details could've easily been fixed with another line or two added to the dialogue.
The decision to neglect to explain this is because they probably felt that the majority of Halo fans watching would already know or if they didn't know and thus didn't read the books would go to buy the books or read the Halo wiki.
An additional line or two would have been extra exposition which would have possible altered the flow and pacing in a way they probably didn't feel like was worth it.
Cloaking/stealth UNSC ships make an appearance in Halo: Cole Protocol and in Halo: Ghost of Onyx, the descrepency between technological capabilities between the description in the books and their adaption in the short were probably an adaptive decision to show it in Hideo Kojima form in a way that appeals to the Japanese and Weaboo/Xenosaga audience.I am very much aware of what a recap is, and this is not it. Nowhere have I ever heard of Spartans riding tricked-out crotch-rockets, cloaking UNSC ships, or Dr. Halsey getting captured by the Covenant. And from what I remember of the books you listed, none of that happens in either of them. Or are we to assume all the other short stories are recaps as well, since they contain vague elements that can be precariously connected to events that take place in the games/books/et cetera?
Everything is better explained as me using 'recap' in the wrong or only a vaguely similar context, the better word is 'compressed adaption' of the 2 books with a bit of exaggeration into a short film, much like the film for the anime 'Escaflowne' bore zero resemblence to the plot of the Escaflowne continuality only shared its characters and a rough cutup of the plot but was otherwise different.
That is what 'The Package' is, its an adaption of the Halo franchise into a different form probably for the benefit of a Japanese audience, it takes many liberties with the source material and makes a stand alone story that doesn't fit with the continuality, at best its set between Halo: The Flood and Halo 2 if your willing to handwave the inconsistencies and treat it as a separate mission that happened in the backstory that didn't happen 'onscreen' thus far either in the books or in the games.
But the inconsistencies to me speak of it as obviously a stand alone adaption of the mythos that is meant to be taken as an 'entry' point into the franchise.
Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
Oh please, pacing was not the problem for these stories (well, for some of them, but not these ones). It's an easy minor thing to fix and instead they took the lazy way out.Blayne wrote: The decision to neglect to explain this is because they probably felt that the majority of Halo fans watching would already know or if they didn't know and thus didn't read the books would go to buy the books or read the Halo wiki.
An additional line or two would have been extra exposition which would have possible altered the flow and pacing in a way they probably didn't feel like was worth it.
In other words, it has nothing to do with earlier examples of 'cloaking' and was simply invented for this story. So it's a recap....how?Cloaking/stealth UNSC ships make an appearance in Halo: Cole Protocol and in Halo: Ghost of Onyx, the descrepency between technological capabilities between the description in the books and their adaption in the short were probably an adaptive decision to show it in Hideo Kojima form in a way that appeals to the Japanese and Weaboo/Xenosaga audience.
That's exactly the point, this wasn't a "recap" it's an entirely new mission, not some hamfisted way to make it connected to the two books by the most vaguest of interpretations. What the hell have you been arguing about this whole time?That is what 'The Package' is, its an adaption of the Halo franchise into a different form probably for the benefit of a Japanese audience, it takes many liberties with the source material and makes a stand alone story that doesn't fit with the continuality, at best its set between Halo: The Flood and Halo 2 if your willing to handwave the inconsistencies and treat it as a separate mission that happened in the backstory that didn't happen 'onscreen' thus far either in the books or in the games.
'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
Is it even stated that the storylines are set in the same universe to begin with? For all we know, this adaptation does nothing to do with what has happened in the game storyline.Balrog wrote: That's exactly the point, this wasn't a "recap" it's an entirely new mission, not some hamfisted way to make it connected to the two books by the most vaguest of interpretations. What the hell have you been arguing about this whole time?
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
Well Halo continuity is such that you can consider every past Halo : CE to be a different game series and have absolutely no problem at all.
I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.
Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
TPTB stated that only 'Odd One Out' was non-canon, for obvious reasons, so presumably that means the other six did "happened" in the universe.ray245 wrote:Is it even stated that the storylines are set in the same universe to begin with? For all we know, this adaptation does nothing to do with what has happened in the game storyline.Balrog wrote: That's exactly the point, this wasn't a "recap" it's an entirely new mission, not some hamfisted way to make it connected to the two books by the most vaguest of interpretations. What the hell have you been arguing about this whole time?
'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
- J.R.R Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
I greatly preferr to think of it this way, as it allows me to continue to enjoy the first game.Sarevok wrote:Well Halo continuity is such that you can consider every past Halo : CE to be a different game series and have absolutely no problem at all.
It looks like Brutes may be making an appearence in the next game, surprise surprise. Who wants to bet against the theory that they'll pull a Halo 2 on us here?
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
What does that even mean?aieeegrunt wrote:Who wants to bet against the theory that they'll pull a Halo 2 on us here?
I liked Odd One Out and The package. The others seemed like they were both trying too hard while simultaneously being lazy as hell. Those two just went "fuck it" and had plenty of explosions and crazy shit.
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
All the adverts leading up to Halo 2 made it look like the game was going to be this epic battle on earth against the invading Covenant. Instead we spent one level on earth before ending up being sent back to another fucking Halo as well as spending half the game playing as an Elite. Lets not even get into the unneccessary convoluted civil war plot and the supplanting of the Elites as the headline foe with the retarded Space Gorillas, in Space. Hey, and lets completely change the gameplay while we're at it so it feels like a shitty UT or Counterstrike mod.
Massive bait and switch there, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if after all this advert about Reach, we're only actually on Reach for like one or two levels. Plus a bunch of arbitrary gameplay molestation, and I'm calling it now, we'll somehow encounter Retarded Space Gorillas.
Massive bait and switch there, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if after all this advert about Reach, we're only actually on Reach for like one or two levels. Plus a bunch of arbitrary gameplay molestation, and I'm calling it now, we'll somehow encounter Retarded Space Gorillas.
Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
So, what useful data can be extrapolated from this, if any? Those Covenant point defences in 'Package' came off as pretty useless to me, unless there's a precedence.
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
In the books Covenant weapons usually come off muuuuch better in fights with Spartans, the short is meant to make us ruin our pants and be kickass not nesssasarily accurate to the books. (which it MOSTLY is, the stealthship and the boosters and the Point defense dont match up but everything else does).
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Re: Halo Legends *lots of spoilers*
I watched a few of the shorts and they were wholly uninteresting. The Animatrix was terrible but at least it was interesting. I was particularly a fan of the Second Renaissance, which I had really hoped Origins would at least try to be like.
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