Na'vi Vs. Predator

[takemeout_totheblack]

I don't think you can poison a Xenomorph and they're very agile and apparently just as strong as a Predator. The only reason Preds win is their skill and 'sploder guns. I think the Navi are worse off against the aliens than they are against the Preds, aliens don't have honor or plot induced idiocy to exploit, they just swarm and kill and eat. Also acid blood.
It always comes back to the acid blood...

[Shroom Man 777]

The Na'vi have fucking arrows and they can ride friggin dragons. They can drop fucking rocks from the sky on the xenos, if needed be. They can ride horses and chuck spears at them.

[adam_grif]

The Na'vi have fucking arrows and they can ride friggin dragons. They can drop fucking rocks from the sky on the xenos, if needed be. They can ride horses and chuck spears at them.

For some reason I'm getting a "lets throw asteroids at pandora" vibe out of this post.



Those were the days.

[Shroom Man 777]

If the Na'vi need to do that for the survival of their society, then it's morally justified!

[adam_grif]

But the Na'Vi chieftain made it pretty clear that he's just doing this for personal gain. Predator meat is worth fourteen grishnocks per kilo!

[Shroom Man 777]

Don't you see! The Na'vi's hunter-gatherer lifestyle is unsustainable and they're depleting the local ecology to feed their populace! They need the predator meat to feed their dragon-birds and horsies so they can have cheap and efficient interstitial travel that's vital to their society!

[Enigma]

I wonder how they'll react to the Pred's count down timer as they begin to take his flesh.

[Majin Gojira]

On the active camo. If a Pred does hunt on Pandora, they might just ditch that entirely because most of the non psuedo-primate faunta (IE: The ones with four eyes) use their secondary set of eyes as infrared sensors.

[Shroom Man 777]

Re: the xenomorph scenario. All we need to do is to get Sigourney Grace Ripley in one of those AMP suits and it's game-fucking-over for the aliens, man. Game over!

Too bad Pandora will probably explode while the Venture Star makes its harrowing escape to the space ship, whereupon she'll have her epic final fight against the Queen Alien and like Jake Sully's Avatar gets ripped into two or something, and so on and so forth. Get away from her you bitch!

[Eviscerator]

I don't think you can poison a Xenomorph and they're very agile and apparently just as strong as a Predator. ...

In a certain Aliens comic, reference is made to "cultivated fungus as medicine" and "black mold that was as poison to them". In the story, a captive human became accepted into the hive by doing HORRIFIC STUFFS and used the black mold to slowly sabotage the Hive. In the end, the facehugger had to be HELPED onto his face and the chestburster died in him.

[Shroom Man 777]

What? A captive human became accepted into the hive by doing HORRIFIC STUFFS? What stuffs?

Oh man. Xeno Sam can totally fight with the aliens against the Colonial Marines. When the Hicks and Hudsons and Gormans come to attack their hive, Xeno Sam can go "This is our land! Tell the Queens of the other hive that Toruk Makto sent them here! Even though my blood is not acidic, I have the heart of a xenomorph! Follow me to FREEDOM!"

[Eviscerator]

What? A captive human became accepted into the hive by doing HORRIFIC STUFFS? What stuffs?

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Watching his friends butchered, one friend left to hang but still conscious and screaming until larynx gone (but still a background noise), watching a female pal give birth to ALIEN-HUMAN Hybrids, helping to feed once friends with what Xenomorphs term food (like worms and stuff), and the straw that broke the back was being called to fuck his mother. The mother has all four limbs amputated and by then isnt too good in the head. To put her out of her misery he kills her.

Yeah, i'll say thats some pretty Horrific Stuffs Someone who is more familiar with the Aliens comics can give more detail, i suppose.

[takemeout_totheblack]

I don't think you can poison a Xenomorph and they're very agile and apparently just as strong as a Predator. ...

In a certain Aliens comic, reference is made to "cultivated fungus as medicine" and "black mold that was as poison to them". In the story, a captive human became accepted into the hive by doing HORRIFIC STUFFS and used the black mold to slowly sabotage the Hive. In the end, the facehugger had to be HELPED onto his face and the chestburster died in him.

And as we all know Pandora has everything but even worse. So not only would Pandoran Black Mold be able to kill the Xenomorphs, but it would also shapeshift, think, and tell bad jokes!
Mold: Myeh! I gotta rotten sense a' humor!

I was thinking more along the lines of neurotoxin meant for carbon based life not doing dick against a critter with superacid for blood! I wonder what a Xenomorph from a Na'vi host would look like. I imagine either silly or really badass!

[Oskuro]

I see a lot of disdain for Predator triage techniques, as well as criticism to their manly screams of agony. That cannot be, given that said techniques were bestowed upon us by the master himself:



Just ask yourself, who are you to question RAMBO?

[Swindle1984]

As someone who is acquainted with the effects of firearms on living beings both from a hunting perspective and a law enforcement perspective, anything that takes three shotgun slugs to the torso and survives more than ten seconds is a bigger fucking badass than anyone has a right to be.

Getting shot repeatedly in the torso, getting an arm chopped off, and then continuing to perform athletic feats like running, leaping, climbing, and getting into hand-to-hand combat is NOT something a human being could do on adrenaline, even if he stopped his wounds from bleeding by cauterizing them as the Predator did. He would be fucking dead from shock if he didn't have paramedics working on him then and there, and even that isn't a guarantee of survival. Clearly, either Predators are able to survive wounds far worse than what a human could survive or their physiology is such that they CAN operate athletically for extended periods after sustaining lethal or probably-lethal wounds.

Now, that said, human beings CAN continue to fight after sustaining fatal wounds, especially when using certain drugs, but not the sort of athletic feats the Predator did.

[Darth Wong]

I think Pandora would be a valuable hunting ground for the Predators, and seeing how they operate (code of honor and all that) they would probably fight the Na'vi with hand-to-hand weapons, and maybe nets and discs, but would most certainly refrain from using the Plasmacaster or other ranged weaponry.

You appear to be talking about the lame comic book honour-wanker Predators. The one in the first movie had no problem killing an unarmed wounded man with his plasmacaster. When attacked by Ah-nuld's primitive traps at the end, he immediately lashed out with all of the firepower at his disposal. He only switched to unarmed combat when he had assured himself that Ah-nuld was unarmed and would be easy prey.

[NecronLord]

Don't you see! The Na'vi's hunter-gatherer lifestyle is unsustainable and they're depleting the local ecology to feed their populace! They need the predator meat to feed their dragon-birds and horsies so they can have cheap and efficient interstitial travel that's vital to their society!

You know, Shroom, you're getting really spammy of late (last few months) think you could scale it back a bit?

[takemeout_totheblack]

You appear to be talking about the lame comic book honour-wanker Predators. The one in the first movie had no problem killing an unarmed wounded man with his plasmacaster. When attacked by Ah-nuld's primitive traps at the end, he immediately lashed out with all of the firepower at his disposal. He only switched to unarmed combat when he had assured himself that Ah-nuld was unarmed and would be easy prey.

I agree completely! The Predator comics wank the honor thing way out of proportion! Probably a brainbug from the 'He didn't keel hyu becaaz hyu hweren't ahmd! No spoat' quote from Ah-nuld in the first movie, and was probably exacerbated by the whole 'not perforating fools because they were preggers or children'. That said, the hunter in the first movie does have a sense of sport and probably killed the wounded guy because he was slowing up the rest of the prey with his mushed ribs. Not really a mercy killing the Pred just wanted the fun to start again. As for slapping around Arny at the end, I guess it was just a sadist and didn't like getting 'sploded with shrapnel in his knee.

[Darth Wong]

The second Predator movie already began with the "honour warrior" nonsense, but in the first movie the whole idea was that the Predator was just like a modern hunter: a guy who kills for sport. That's different from the whole Space Viking "honour code" charade.

Quite frankly, I think the whole Bushido-ization of the Predators was done because people didn't like the analogy to a white guy in Tennessee who goes out and shoots deer on weekends. So they made him more like a foreign caricature and less like a real person.

[Oskuro]

I agree with the whole "code of honor" thing being ridiculous, that's why I called it silly and pointed out that despite having it, the Preds will keep using their camouflage, wich gives them the most advantage of all their gear.

As for the Preds being honorable in the second movie, not much. The main Predator only needed the excuse of weapons being held to slaughter civilians in the subway, he did let Leona live because she was pregnant, and did not shoot the little kid in the graveyard, but he tormented Danny Glover relentlessly with his twisted audioclips.

Then again, the scene at the end where the other Preds let Danny Glover escape, I liked it, it was this nod of respect from warrior to warrior, but just a nod, Danny is left to GTFO of the ship on his own, and almost killed from the blast, and the pirate gun makes it clear that they will keep coming back and killing people.


But yeah, the whole thing got way over the top, to the point that some would even suggest that the Preds would become friends with the Na'vi because they are both hunters and savages, ans wise and honorable (remember how the Na'vi were about to skin Jake Sully and Grace alive before the attack on the tree? Yeah, honorable).

The Predator is a cool movie monster. It operating on values beyond "RAR! KILL!" makes it cooler and more unpredictable, but it's still a monster.

[Darth Wong]

The part where they let Danny Glover escape was where they definitively changed their characters from "hunters on safari" to "Bullshido warriors out to prove their manhood and honour". If a bunch of actual hunters saw one of their own being killed by a prey animal, they would kill it. They wouldn't salute and send it on its way. That's where they made the Predator into a sci-fi cliche.

[adam_grif]

If a bunch of actual hunters saw one of their own being killed by a prey animal, they would kill it.

Depends on quite a few things; how well they like that hunter, how intelligent the prey animal is. If it was a human hunting like a tiger or something then sure, but Predators don't appear to have intelligence orders of magnitude higher than a human does. In this way, it does more than resemble two humans duking it out on the battlefield. Given the obvious inferiority of human tech, a human that is capable of successfully fighting back may garner some respect from them, as two approximately humanoid intelligent technology based species meeting face to face.

As far as letting their comrade die, it's also possible that the predator in question was just a douche and they were saluting him for getting rid of their annoying redheaded step son. Maybe he was a rabid trekkie or something.

[Shroom Man 777]

You know, Shroom, you're getting really spammy of late (last few months) think you could scale it back a bit?

Sorry man. I guess I let myself go and had too much fun goofing around too much.

I'll practice more discretion and self-restraint.


Re: Predator honor

Predator 2's implications on Predator society, from a particular Easter Egg hanging off their trophy wall to their treatment of Danny Glover, basically resulted in the whole AvP comic/novel franchise. Not only did the trophy xeno-skull result in the eventual pitting of Aliens versus Predator, but their honor shtick with Danny Glover directly translated to a comic/novel character not only being "honorably recognized" by the Preds, but ending up being taking in and becoming an actual-factual member of Predator society. Is that good, or bad?

I liked the Alien versus Predator novels, yeah. I mean, I hunted them down like a Yatuja (lol) throughout the second-hand bookstores of my poor city and I found a whole lot of them too. They made for fun reading. But, eh, yeah, they're not exactly high-brow stuff and are pretty silly. I also got the Aliens novels. Man, imagine Earth being overrun by aliens due to the action of cultists - who were being telepathically influenced by a Queen Alien or something - led by a cult leader who liked watching pregnant whores (I am not kidding!).

[takemeout_totheblack]

The part where they let Danny Glover escape was where they definitively changed their characters from "hunters on safari" to "Bullshido warriors out to prove their manhood and honour". If a bunch of actual hunters saw one of their own being killed by a prey animal, they would kill it. They wouldn't salute and send it on its way. That's where they made the Predator into a sci-fi cliche.

Now that's a bit harsh there. Showing respect to a fellow warrior doesn't make them cliches, it makes them more complex than your average slime beast looking to eat some faces. Also it's stated in the E.U that they regard humans as intelligent sentient lifeforms with thoughts and feeling and whatnot, they just don't let that stop them from hunting and killing us. We aren't animals to them, we're just another intelligent lifeform that makes for an interesting fight from time to time, you have to stop looking at this from the perspective of a human hunter out to kill dumb animals for the sake of it.

[Shroom Man 777]

We're NOT another intelligent lifeform that "makes for an interesting fight from time to time". Jesus Christ, they skin people's skin off and rip their fucking skulls off and bleach them with acid and wear them as necklaces, for Christ's sake. They treated us no differently from any other form of meat. Having them recognize creatures that they previously regarded as mere hood ornaments, after having one of these creatures kill one of their own, is totally silly. I mean, geeze, they kill things and use their bones as decorations - but when one of those things ends up killing them, it's suddenly all cool for them? Isn't that a bit weird?