Daleks in Warhammer 40k

[mr friendly guy]

Do you have any evidence of stalemate, just throwing that around to be an annoying contrarion??

How about the battles we do know about aren't substantially one sided.

How about both Homeworlds supposedly cop it in equal measure.

But even if I was just playing devil's advocate, you have to put evidence for the war going heavily in the Daleks favour. All you have done is edited a quote from the Doctor to make it seem that way.

Or you can actually add some content into your insubstantial garbage. How is Skaro "devastated" and what, if any relevance, does it matter to a species engineered precisely because the planet was so horribly fucked up to neccesitate the creation of something like the Daleks in the first place?

Way to miss the point retard. It means that despite being defended Skaro also took some hits so the exchange is definitely not one way or heavily in favour of the Daleks.

Typical Trektard-level argument: we don't see it so it can't possibly exist.

The strawman is so funny since I already stated the 10 million fleet exist. I just stated they were elsewhere with evidence pointing out that at least one element was at another location.

Now fuckwit, why don't you back up your case that their is a 10 million fleet of ships orbiting Gallifrey circa around the End of Time. A 10 million fleet which allowed Rassilon to plan his escpae unharassed, a 10 million fleet which the Time Lords weren't even concern about even though they are supposedly right on their doorstep. One would think the Dalek fleet would hurt them right NOW, while the Doctor would only destory them later in the final day.

But you won't provide evidence. Because you are a goddamn chicken shit. Instead you just fucking state the ships are there and when everyone else points out the only ships seen are those on the ground you will just say "we don't see it so it can't possibly exist." You expect us to prove a negative. Moron.

Guess the Time Lords are really up shit creek if they can't even put out the fires in their own capital then.

Though from the looks of the surface in the orbital shots, looks like Gallifrey's sustained BDZ-level damage.

And they won't be able to put out the fire given time?

You tried to accuse me of dishonestly ignoring the other threats, despite the fact I explicitely cite them as "Time Lord-defeating threats" in the same fucking post. In short, go fuck yourself and come back when you can learn to read.

Were you this stupid all the time, or maybe drugs and alcohol just blew your brains out. I already stated what was wrong with your sentence before, but you can't be half arsed reading.

Funny how you can't be arsed to quote it. Probably because you know you're just a lying sack of shit at this point and realize you're just bullshitting your way through. So let's look at the actual quote:

"You weren't there, in the final days of the war. You never saw what was born. But if the time lock's broken then everything's coming through, not just the Daleks, but the Skaro Degradations, the Horde of Travisties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-have-been King and his Army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres. The war turned into hell. And that's you've opened, right above the Earth. Hell is descending!"
"My kind of world."
"Just listen! Because even the Time Lords can't survive that!"


In short, and as I've already said, your attempt to equate the Time Lord "defeat" solely to these other threats, which we know fought the Daleks as much as the Time Lords, is blatantly dishonest on its face.

Your strawman is oh soooo obvious. One I never said the TL "solely" defeated by these threats fuckwit, so learn to read. I only said they were the threat which finally made the TL throw in the towel. The fact that the Doctor emphaseis NOT JUST the Daleks should have indicated this was where the concern lies. The fact that you failed to mention these other threats initially until called upon it means you have on grounds to whine like a little pisshead when I pointed this out, but I see that doesn't stop you. However thanks for the quote, because its exactly as I said.

a. these monstrosities appeared in the "final days"
b. war turned into hell in the "final days"
c. even the TL can't survive that (Hell)

Sounds like he is worried about these new threats. But I see you are going to selectively read the quote just like how you selectively read my statements and derive a strawman interpretation.

The fact that the daleks are also fighting them, or at least one of them (Nightmare child) means what exactly? That the TL were afraid in the current (weaken state for both sides) that they won't be able to stop these threats unless they play the universal destruction card. Thanks for playing.

And as everyone but you seems to know, the war was always primarily one between Daleks and Time Lords.

Hey fuckwit, what "everyone knows" isn't always right. Especially when a hack writer just changed what we thought we knew.
But use the creationist "every one knows" arguments, because you are one of those imbeciles who think in the absence of evidence its actually a good argument.

Whoopdeefucking doo. Jerk off to your inane nitpicking on your own time. Though I wouldn't be surprised if you can't; you're compensating awfully hard at this point.

Oh my god, how dare I point you are being a dishonest turd. Its not your fault, its everyone else's fault for nitpicking you. Even when its fucking explained to you in terms a child can understand why such a use to improper word choice is deceptive, you just whine like the cry baby you are. You don't even try and defend it. But I wouldn't be surprise if you continue to avoid having to because you are a gutless coward. What's next? You will cry to mommy that people are mean to you?

[TC Pilot]

How about the battles we do know about aren't substantially one sided.

What battles? How does "non-one-sided battles" equate to stalemate?

How about both Homeworlds supposedly cop it in equal measure.

You've still failed to substantiate how Skaro, a war-blasted hellhole from the Daleks' birth, was devastated in the same way that Gallifrey, a proverbial Time Lord paradise and, as far as I know, their only world at all compared to an entire Dalek Empire, looks like it was hit by a BDZ.

Way to miss the point retard. It means that despite being defended Skaro also took some hits so the exchange is definitely not one way or heavily in favour of the Daleks.

And how does Skaro's "devastation" (what, did they blow up the wastelands a second time?) come close to equating to a BDZ of Gallifrey?

Now fuckwit, why don't you back up your case that their is a 10 million fleet of ships orbiting Gallifrey circa around the End of Time. A 10 million fleet which allowed Rassilon to plan his escpae unharassed, a 10 million fleet which the Time Lords weren't even concern about even though they are supposedly right on their doorstep. One would think the Dalek fleet would hurt them right NOW, while the Doctor would only destory them later in the final day.

"Ten million ships on fire! The entire Dalek race wiped out in one second!" "You lie!" "I watched it happen! I made it happen!" -Dalek

And they won't be able to put out the fire given time?

Not the point. The fact that the capital is still on fire implies the Dalek attack happened recently.

Were you this stupid all the time, or maybe drugs and alcohol just blew your brains out. I already stated what was wrong with your sentence before, but you can't be half arsed reading.

Ah, my mistake. I thought you weren't stupid or deluded enough think your baseless interpretation was actual fact. I'll try to remember not to assume anything more intellectually strenuous than breathing from you in the future.

Your strawman is oh soooo obvious. One I never said the TL "solely" defeated by these threats fuckwit, so learn to read. I only said they were the threat which finally made the TL throw in the towel.

"The issue isn't who fought the TL for the longer period dumbass. Is was which threat finally made the TL decide to go fuck this, lets blow up the universe. The only on screen evidence we have states it was someone other than the Daleks."

"It proves it wasn't the daleks per se which finally made Rassilon throw in the towel dumbass."

"The fact that the TL kept fighting against the Daleks meant they thought they had a fair chance to win. The fact that they opted to press the ascend to god button in the face of these other threats meant they didn't see the same chances of winning."

The fact that the Doctor emphaseis NOT JUST the Daleks should have indicated this was where the concern lies.

"The Time War. The final battle between my people and the Dalek race." -"Dalek"

"They went off to fight a bigger war: the Time War." "I thought that was just a legend." "I was there. A war between the Daleks and the Time Lords, and the whole of creation at stake." -Parting of the Ways

"My people fought a race called the Daleks, for the sake of all creation, and they lost. Everyone lost." -"Gridlock"

"But we know his intention. He still possesses the Moment, and he'll use it to destroy Daleks and Time Lords alike." -"End of Time Part II"

The fact that you failed to mention these other threats initially until called upon

"Regardless, the Daleks, and whatever else was involved in the Time War, pushed the Time Lords into a corner from which their only solution appears to have been "destroy reality and hope we ascend."" -posted 3 hours before your first post.

a. these monstrosities appeared in the "final days"

"But you were destroyed, in the very first year of the Time War. The Gates of Elyisium. I saw your command ship fly into the jaws of the Nightmare Child."

Sounds like he is worried about these new threats.

I didn't say he wasn't.

The fact that the daleks are also fighting them, or at least one of them (Nightmare child) means what exactly? That the TL were afraid in the current (weaken state for both sides) that they won't be able to stop these threats unless they play the universal destruction card. Thanks for playing.

Of which one of those threats are the Daleks. And since we know the Daleks were the Time Lords' main foe, obviously they're the ones who would get the bulk of the credit for pushing the Time Lords into omnicide.

Hey fuckwit, what "everyone knows" isn't always right. Especially when a hack writer just changed what we thought we knew.
But use the creationist "every one knows" arguments, because you are one of those imbeciles who think in the absence of evidence its actually a good argument.

"No one can perceive my brilliance!"

Oh my god, how dare I point you are being a dishonest turd. Its not your fault, its everyone else's fault for nitpicking you. Even when its fucking explained to you in terms a child can understand why such a use to improper word choice is deceptive, you just whine like the cry baby you are. You don't even try and defend it.

"Whine"? No, I just don't give a fuck that you're so butt-hurt about it. As I've said, don't like it? Tough. Shit.

[TC Pilot]

Shit, missed the edit time limit. Anyway...

Now fuckwit, why don't you back up your case that their is a 10 million fleet of ships orbiting Gallifrey circa around the End of Time. A 10 million fleet which allowed Rassilon to plan his escpae unharassed, a 10 million fleet which the Time Lords weren't even concern about even though they are supposedly right on their doorstep. One would think the Dalek fleet would hurt them right NOW, while the Doctor would only destory them later in the final day.

"Ten million ships on fire! The entire Dalek race wiped out in one second!" "You lie!" "I watched it happen! I made it happen!" -Dalek

Anyway, for what it's worth, there's an image on the Doctor Who website of a burning Dalek fleet over a burning world included with a brief narration of the Time War. Taken together with the fact that there's clear indication of a relatively recent Dalek attack on Gallifrey, I doubt it's mere coincidence. Admittedly speculative, of course.

[NecronLord]

A picture of a dalek fleet being destroyed in one fell swoop over an unknown planet also being attacked is hardly evidence of Dalek Victory.

[mr friendly guy]

What battles? How does "non-one-sided battles" equate to stalemate?

Its more suggestive of it than one side having the advantage. If most of the battles went one way, in the absence of any other information we would have to conclude that side winning the battle looks to be winning at the present time. Do I really have to explain it to you.

You've still failed to substantiate how Skaro, a war-blasted hellhole from the Daleks' birth, was devastated in the same way that Gallifrey, a proverbial Time Lord paradise and, as far as I know, their only world at all compared to an entire Dalek Empire, looks like it was hit by a BDZ.

How about RTD says it copped the same damage. Or even better one of the Cult of Skaro states it burnt and it was destroyed in the Time War.

"Ten million ships on fire! The entire Dalek race wiped out in one second!" "You lie!" "I watched it happen! I made it happen!" -Dalek

Oh for fuck's sake you are one dumb twat. SHOW THESE SHIPS WERE AT GALLIFREY retard. We know they had 10 million ships. We know the Emperor was elsewhere at that time and we know his ship was also damage when the Doctor went MAD. All you have shown is they had 10 million ships, which no one is disputing fuckwit. But hey, when you can't win the argument you are in, change it to one you can. AM I RITE.

Your evasive shit is getting tiresome. You have been ask to show these 10 million ships were at Gallifrey at the time circa End of time and you haven't even bothered.

Not the point. The fact that the capital is still on fire implies the Dalek attack happened recently.

Not the point. The fact no orbiting ships are seen yet alone attacking while Rassilon was chairing his meeting shows this particular attack was beaten back. If you are going to suggest there is more on the way provide evidence. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Your strawman is oh soooo obvious. One I never said the TL "solely" defeated by these threats fuckwit, so learn to read. I only said they were the threat which finally made the TL throw in the towel.

"The issue isn't who fought the TL for the longer period dumbass. Is was which threat finally made the TL decide to go fuck this, lets blow up the universe. The only on screen evidence we have states it was someone other than the Daleks."

"It proves it wasn't the daleks per se which finally made Rassilon throw in the towel dumbass."

"The fact that the TL kept fighting against the Daleks meant they thought they had a fair chance to win. The fact that they opted to press the ascend to god button in the face of these other threats meant they didn't see the same chances of winning."

I see even when you quote it out you still can't read. Perhaps you should underline the word FINALLY. You know, as opposed to the word initially.

"The Time War. The final battle between my people and the Dalek race." -"Dalek"

"They went off to fight a bigger war: the Time War." "I thought that was just a legend." "I was there. A war between the Daleks and the Time Lords, and the whole of creation at stake." -Parting of the Ways

"My people fought a race called the Daleks, for the sake of all creation, and they lost. Everyone lost." -"Gridlock"

"But we know his intention. He still possesses the Moment, and he'll use it to destroy Daleks and Time Lords alike." -"End of Time Part II"

You do know what a retcon is right? You do realise all that shows is the TL and Dalek fought which no one is disputing, but hey its easier to pretend that way isn't it?

Of which one of those threats are the Daleks. And since we know the Daleks were the Time Lords' main foe, obviously they're the ones who would get the bulk of the credit for pushing the Time Lords into omnicide.

By themselves it wasn't enough. So even by your own criteria of winning they fall short.

"No one can perceive my brilliance!"

Seriously any one with a half a brain would realise "every one knows argument" actually has no validity other than a rhetorical trick. The fact you think this insight is brilliance on my part is flattering I think it speaks more of your gross stupidity than anything on my part. <Insert sarcasm here>

"Whine"? No, I just don't give a fuck that you're so butt-hurt about it. As I've said, don't like it? Tough. Shit.

Translation - you don't give a flying fuck to defend your own pathetic arguments. Accusing the other side of not liking it isn't an argument unless you also show what was wrong with their proposition. The fact you aren't even trying concedes your position as untenable. Don't like it, tough shit.

Here, lets make it easy for you. I am going to define stalemate as Rassilon is still alive at the time circa End of time. Oh look its a stalemate. I win.

I am sure you agree with me here because its essentially the same rhetorical trick you use. Unless you are a hypocritical arsehole, but I know that you can't possibly be that. Oh wait, you don't like it, well then jerk off to your inane nitpicking on your own time.

But I was absolutely right when I said you won't even try and defend it because you are fucking chicken shit. Don't like it, grow some balls but I fear all the medical treatment in the world won't help you.

[TC Pilot]

A picture of a dalek fleet being destroyed in one fell swoop over an unknown planet also being attacked is hardly evidence of Dalek Victory.

To be nitpicky, it only shows four Dalek ships getting destroyed

This is what I'm talking about, by the way:


The narrative that goes with it is: "Eventually, they came into conflict with the Time Lords, a race so powerful that they vowed never to interfere in the affairs of others. They made an exception for the Daleks, with terrible consequences." Like I said, purely speculative.

Its more suggestive of it than one side having the advantage. If most of the battles went one way, in the absence of any other information we would have to conclude that side winning the battle looks to be winning at the present time. Do I really have to explain it to you.

You can start by actually explaining what the fuck you're talking about. Like I said, what battles? Where the hell are you getting any of this from?

How about RTD says it copped the same damage. Or even better one of the Cult of Skaro states it burnt and it was destroyed in the Time War.

So which is it? And you still didn't answer the question.

Oh for fuck's sake you are one dumb twat. SHOW THESE SHIPS WERE AT GALLIFREY retard. We know they had 10 million ships. We know the Emperor was elsewhere at that time and we know his ship was also damage when the Doctor went MAD. All you have shown is they had 10 million ships, which no one is disputing fuckwit. But hey, when you can't win the argument you are in, change it to one you can. AM I RITE.

Conceded. I'm either misremembering a quote from the Doctor from "Sound of Drums" about Gallifrey burning, or picked it up in some other forum.

Funny thing is, while looking through "Last of the Time Lords" to find it, the Master says he won right before he dies. No doubt you'll proceed to run off to flame RTD for his oh-so-terrible word usage.

I see even when you quote it out you still can't read. Perhaps you should underline the word FINALLY. You know, as opposed to the word initially.

Is English by any chance not your first language?

You do know what a retcon is right?

Since when have there ever been retcons in Doctor Who?

By themselves it wasn't enough.

Hmm, sounds familiar. Where did I hear that before? Oh wait...

"Regardless, the Daleks, and whatever else was involved in the Time War, pushed the Time Lords into a corner from which their only solution appears to have been "destroy reality and hope we ascend."

"True, the Doctor only mentions the Daleks as one of many Time Lord-defeating threats, but it's rather obvious the Daleks were the Time Lords' main enemy through the whole thing."

Basically, you're a butt-hurt little bitch who gets off on insipid nitpicking. "Oh no! He used the word 'victory'! I don't like that! WAAAAH!"

Seriously any one with a half a brain would realise "every one knows argument" actually has no validity other than a rhetorical trick.

Yeah yeah, keep crying. I proved the point so stop wasting breath.

The fact you think this insight is brilliance on my part is flattering I think it speaks more of your gross stupidity than anything on my part.

Translation - you don't give a flying fuck to defend your own pathetic arguments. Accusing the other side of not liking it isn't an argument unless you also show what was wrong with their proposition. The fact you aren't even trying concedes your position as untenable. Don't like it, tough shit.

I am sure you agree with me here because its essentially the same rhetorical trick you use.

Yep.

I eagerly await your blubbering, impotent nerd rage.

[mr friendly guy]

You can start by actually explaining what the fuck you're talking about. Like I said, what battles? Where the hell are you getting any of this from?

You know I mentioned battles waaay back at the start when I said there were 2 battles known to have gone the daleks (fall of the cruciform and Arcadia) out of goodness knows how many engagements. We know that Davros "died" or more accurately was removed as a force and only appeared after the time war at the gates of Elysium, and that Skaro had been destroyed according to one of the cult of skaro (who couldn't have seen the Doctor use the MAD device because he was hiding), so it seems likely it had already been destroyed while Gallifrey still stood albeit damaged. So a few of these seem to be in the TL favour.

We also know from sourcebooks that battles took place in the Vortex and the Ultimate Void (ie where the Cult of Skaro hid). None of which the outcome is mentioned. In other words at present there is very little information available on the engagements waged, and those that we know about seem to be split.

Given this and the fact the same sourcebooks say the war went on for centuries its more suggestive than the sides were stalemated.

Conceded. I'm either misremembering a quote from the Doctor from "Sound of Drums" about Gallifrey burning, or picked it up in some other forum.

Finally. Was that so very difficult?

Gallifrey was burning. Only it was the Doctor who did it. Which the Time Lord visionary predicted with "burning, burning."

Is English by any chance not your first language?

You know we are reading the same passages but someone inferring different things. I don't know where you get that from, oh wait the same place you got that weird definition of winning from. Up the arse because you are full of shit and its starting to be regurgitated from what you type.

Since when have there ever been retcons in Doctor Who?

Lets see

successful retcons
a. the events of "the Chase" nullified because of the Doctor's time travel in Genesis of the Daleks (he delayed their technological development)
b. Several different versions of the end of Earth - The Ark, The end of the world

Retcons which I don't accept but the attempt was clearly made. If you want I can explain why I don't accept it.
a. I am half human (in the 1996 movie).

b. Several different versions of the creation of the universe - Terminus, Slipback

Oh and did I mention John Peel's War of the Daleks where he retconned away Skaro's destruction in "Rememberance of the Daleks" so it could reappear and be destroyed in the Time War? Because if I don't Stark will.

Even if these examples weren't there, RTD attempts to make the TL into villains instead of the "good guys, or at least less bad guys", the Time War involving other factors which the Doctor didn't seem worried about until RTD declared it, fits the criteria for a retcon. Although as far as retcons go, its pretty mild, sort of like the differing dates given for the UNIT stories.

Can I get my second concession now, ignorant dumbass.

Basically, you're a butt-hurt little bitch who gets off on insipid nitpicking. "Oh no! He used the word 'victory'! I don't like that! WAAAAH!"

Clearly when there is a dispute between the dictionary and TC Pilot, the latter wins. Don't you wish everyone could understand your brilliance. LOL

Yep.

I eagerly await your blubbering, impotent nerd rage.

Looks you like are just butt hurt because I used your own retarded logic against you.

[TC Pilot]

You know I mentioned battles waaay back at the start when I said there were 2 battles known to have gone the daleks (fall of the cruciform and Arcadia) out of goodness knows how many engagements. We know that Davros "died" or more accurately was removed as a force and only appeared after the time war at the gates of Elysium, and that Skaro had been destroyed according to one of the cult of skaro (who couldn't have seen the Doctor use the MAD device because he was hiding), so it seems likely it had already been destroyed while Gallifrey still stood albeit damaged. So a few of these seem to be in the TL favour.

We also know from sourcebooks that battles took place in the Vortex and the Ultimate Void (ie where the Cult of Skaro hid). None of which the outcome is mentioned. In other words at present there is very little information available on the engagements waged, and those that we know about seem to be split.

And this makes these battles "less one sided" because...?

Given this and the fact the same sourcebooks say the war went on for centuries its more suggestive than the sides were stalemated.

"Centuries" from what perspective? What's the basis for concluding the length of a normal Time War?

Finally. Was that so very difficult?

Not really. Unlike you I don't just silently drop the parts of the post I get wrong.

You know we are reading the same passages but someone inferring different things. I don't know where you get that from, oh wait the same place you got that weird definition of winning from. Up the arse because you are full of shit and its starting to be regurgitated from what you type.

Answer the question.

Oh god, you're not Point45, are you?

Lets see *snip list*

So basically it amounts to what you feel like accepting?

Clearly when there is a dispute between the dictionary and TC Pilot, the latter wins. Don't you wish everyone could understand your brilliance. LOL

It's funny how you blatantly excised that reference to the Master's "I win" from "The Last of the Time Lords." Why aren't you flaming RTD for his retarded word usage?

Let me break it down for you since you can't seem to stop crying about this. Words mean what we define them as meaning. Quite often people far more intelligent than you attach different meanings to words: "democracy," "fascism," "imperialism," "right" and "wrong," "good" and "bad," "civilization" and "culture," hell, even things as basic as "Roman" or "German." We see this same thing reflected in the very mediums upon which this forum is based: like I already said, the Master's "I won" even as he's dying from a mere gunshot wound, Obi-Wan's "Anakin is dead" in Star Wars, etc.

You then proceed to show up, screeching like a shrill little bitch how oh-so-terrible it is that I gauge a Dalek "victory" (i.e. they went toe to toe with the lords of the universe) in a way that pisses you off. Too. fucking. bad.

Looks you like are just butt hurt because I used your own retarded logic against you.

What part of "yep" don't you get? I honestly don't care that you choose (fascetiously) to define "stalemate" in that way. Why? Because you gave the criterion by which you were defining it. Well, and because I'm not a whiny bitch like you are. But mainly the first one.

[mr friendly guy]

And this makes these battles "less one sided" because...?

Because they seem evenly split in terms of victories.

"Centuries" from what perspective? What's the basis for concluding the length of a normal Time War?

Now you are nit picking aren't you, the very thing you accuse me off. The point is that is lasted a long time without a victory where the Time Lords had very little holdings to start off with. So its not like they can play the " trade space for time" strategem.

Not really. Unlike you I don't just silently drop the parts of the post I get wrong.

Is that why you dropped the retcon angle?

Considering you took like what, 3 replies before you finally admitted you had no goddamn evidence of 10 million Dalek ships right at Gallifrey's doorstep an objective observer would say it was difficult for a lying piece of shit like you.

Answer the question.

If you are refering to how what I said seems to be at odds with what you say, I already pointed out the relevant word before.
If you are refering to your asinine question which evidence I gave supports Skaro's devastation, obviously both of them dumbass, because you know we can't really have more than one piece of evidence can we?

It's funny how you blatantly excised that reference to the Master's "I win" from "The Last of the Time Lords." Why aren't you flaming RTD for his retarded word usage?

OMG you were actually expecting that to be a serious argument. I thought that was meant as a joke because you use goddamn smilies and it was a tangent. But fine, lets play it your way.

1. RTD isn't in a debate with me, duh That was sarcasm in case you missed it the first time.
2. The Master isn't in a debate with me, although if he did try to say he won I would say its not true.

3. The Master's statement was obviously meant as a "fuck you" to the Doctor and a sign of a sore loser. The same way a sportsman would say he is still the best even as he was just beaten. As such RTD wrote it not to convey an accurate description of events but to show what a dipshit the Master was. Because even the bad guys must tell the truth or something.

4. Even if RTD wrote the Master to define winning in such a weird way its just RTD writing the Master as a dickhead, rather than because he actually believed the Master won. I am pretty sure even RTD knows if his hero doesn't win at the end of the story he is not going to get repeat viewers.

Let me break it down for you since you can't seem to stop crying about this. Words mean what we define them as meaning. Quite often people far more intelligent than you attach different meanings to words: "democracy," "fascism," "imperialism," "right" and "wrong," "good" and "bad," "civilization" and "culture," hell, even things as basic as "Roman" or "German." We see this same thing reflected in the very mediums upon which this forum is based: like I already said, the Master's "I won" even as he's dying from a mere gunshot wound, Obi-Wan's "Anakin is dead" in Star Wars, etc.

Let me break it down for you since you are too goddamn stupid to get it the first time. Words mean what we define them as meaning. Unless its a new word the meanings have already been defined before hand. The fact that people may attach different meanings to words is a red herring, because you fail to consider that some of the meanings are simply wrong (see example below). Trying to redefine it to suit yourself is dishonest as mentioned before with examples so I won't repeat them.

I suggest you look at the Marxism debate from the colliseum and the fall out with Knobby boy and see how well his attempt to redefine Marxism was received. Give you a hint - the board used many descriptions for him, honesty wasn't one of them.

What part of "yep" don't you get? I honestly don't care that you choose (fascetiously) to define "stalemate" in that way. Why? Because you gave the criterion by which you were defining it. Well, and because I'm not a whiny bitch like you are. But mainly the first one.

So why are you still asking questions and challenging my stalemate assertion at the fucking start of your reply if you have no problems with my claim of one? I know you don't think clearly but seriously... I believe this just makes you a whiny bitch, but I bet you will just change the definition of whining. Come on, you know you want to.