The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Rob Wilson wrote:
So you want to persuade people to completely change how they farm and maintain their populace, purely on our say so? What evidence can we point to? They can't read our books, they have no reason to trust us and they will want some form of physical proff that our methods would work. How do we provide this? How do we get into see the Kings/Lords/etc in the first place to even try to convince them? How do we disseminate the pamphlets? What do we put in them? How do a few Pamphlets do anything when the population base is huge, and how do we know most people will have the education to read them?
And Anti-Saruman Propaganda??? The quickest way to ensure no nobility of the West gives you the time of day is to attack someone they all respect. And what proof would you provide? "Well we have this book you se, it details what's going to happen in 19 years, and ... why are your guards pointing swords at me?"
You need a real powerbase for your plan to work, and we simply don't have one.
Anti-Saruman propaganda could start once there's something substantial (IE: once he's chopping down trees and making Uruk-Hai).
By which time it's too late to really disseminate the info, with the speed of comms. The Governments would have to believe us enough to actually send people to confirm it, the whole timeframe does very little.
Who intercede's? With the Shdow in the East the Gondorians are going to refuse to send stregth away from the Borders of Mordor. The Roharihm are under the thrall of Saruman through Grima, and we have not th magical abilities to break Sarumans grip, the Dwarves march nowhere in those late days and the normal smll villages are spread all over the place and getting them together would be impossible in the time left.
The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Otherwise, our goal would be to work with the surrounding villages and farmers firstly, to prove that our methods work, and only then spread out, when we have a proven base and demonstratable effectiveness to our efforts.
Again, the Location could kill us. What Monarch is going to be bothered about the happenings in the back of beyond enough to pay us any heed.
PLus how do we get their ear in the first place?
The only place that might pay attention is Gondor, and what would that achieve? Do you seriously think they would sit and listen to us as to how to deploy their troops? Give them guns and trained Soldiers and they'll simply attack Mordor and get Slaughtered by Sauron himself at the end. They certainly won't send troops to the Riddermark or Helms Deep. They're focussed on The East and Mordor to the neglect of all else.
We can't cancel Sarumans influence in Edoras and we have no real way to get the dwarves onboard (if they even have the numbers or inclination to attack). What other government can we turn to?
The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Likewise, we could have translations of our books completed during the initial stage.
We can translate all the books we like, they still don't have to believe them, mores the pity.
The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Also, it might in fact be easier to convince some elves, at least (or it might not hurt to try - The way I see it their hesitancy was more in acting, than in the recognition of danger - And now they would likely know our otherworldliness by their own long experience) - and we would need them for some of our members who may have pre-existing medical conditions that we can't treat there to see if anything can be done. Perhaps they could in turn lend weight to our efforts as well.
It's getting near them to do so. Rivendell might be appraochble to us but will they heed us? And as for Lothlorien... I'm good but there's no way in hell I could guarente the safety of our emmisaries that cross the border into that Forest!
There's also th problem of what do we tell them? If we tell them everything then th events as written can't happen and we have just gotten rid of the only guarenteed ending that includes the destruction of the Ring.
Herre's my proposition. I think we should be acting "offscreen", we'ree making chnges outside of the main continouity. We do tell Elrond what's happening, and in his wisdom he knows not to affect too large a change. We have the Elves as our informal spy network (this also allows our scouts to get close to Lothlorien duing the Fellowships time there). We can't affect huge chnges as there's no way to know how they will effect the outcome. Instead what if the 10,000 Orcs that hit Helms Deep are a splinter force while the main force is engged trying to deal with us. If we hadn't been around the Uruk Hai would have number 40,000 or something like that. We are out of continuity but our actions enable continuity to happen. A huge Mordor attack that was supposed to pincer Minis Tirith from the South Is instead bluntd by our Barges on the Andiun and a day long battle ensures that the large force that would have hit as two pieces only hits as one, so the forces in the book are only a part of what would have hit them.
We kill a dark agent who otherwise would have reported seeing Bilbo using the Ring before his birthday and therefore would have accelerated the timeline.
A decent Fanfic author like Stravo or Chuck could pull this off no worries.
If we drastically change the politics of ME and the way things go, we could easily end with Sauron winning. This way at least we can say we had an effect and things still come out on top.
Going out there and making changes could very well create a disaster. That's my view anyway.
I could be wrong of course, but as things stand, there is only one course we KNOW leads to victory and only one that we can predict where things will happen with any accuracy. Start making radical chnges and we lose that one hope.
