The Refuge from Political Correctness mk II

[Sarevok]

All I can say to the crew of Sea Shepard boat cut in half by Japaneese Whalers is :

You are not in Pandora gentlemen. You are in real life. Here the hippies lose, animals die and evil profiteers win.

[Mayabird]

I have been stuck with this mental image for some time now, and I suddenly have this urge to inflict it upon everybody else.

You have all been warned.
















I really hate this Tea Party bullshit. I hated the meme/movement/astroturf/whatever when it started and the idiotic name it gave its members and so on. I knew both meanings of teabagging before. So NOW when I see some news article about Teabaggers or whatever it now comes out in my mind as some fat Southern sweaty redneck (and usually bottomless...you know, like topless but bottoms; not always because sometimes my imagination has a little mercy) crouch-humping a fallen opponent (open mouth optional but nasty in those times when my imagination is merciless). Yes, really.

[SirNitram]

While I've lived near such a place as named Gaylord(What are the origins of that? Or is just 'The place where the lord is happy, maybe by opium'?), and of course I don't use gay as an insult.. It is hilarious to me that Tea Party Queen Palin spent a good part of her speech with 'Gaylord' right right under her hands.

But more amusing, the AP caught her using the Wasilla Teleprompter: She had written on her hand.

[Mayabird]

Speaking of Sarah Palin, I've been thinking a lot recently that most of her fanbase just needs to get laid. OMG a reasonably attractive woman who's on my side when I haven't known the touch of a female in years! This might go for the women as well.

[Phantasee]

Speaking of Sarah Palin, I've been thinking a lot recently that most of her fanbase just needs to get laid. OMG a reasonably attractive woman who's on my side when I haven't known the touch of a female in years! This might go for the women as well.

She is pretty hot, though (ref. Pulp Hero's old avatar).

[scottlowther]

Is this where I can come out and say:

"If you support McCain/Palin over Obama/Biden you are a fucking retard who doesn't understand what that is going to do, not only to your countries economy and internal policies, but your relationships with other nations, the world economy and the general impression that the rest of the world has of Americans?"

Is this the part where I can come out and point and laugh?

[The Spartan]

Is this where I can come out and say:

"If you support McCain/Palin over Obama/Biden you are a fucking retard who doesn't understand what that is going to do, not only to your countries economy and internal policies, but your relationships with other nations, the world economy and the general impression that the rest of the world has of Americans?"

Is this the part where I can come out and point and laugh?

Only after you demonstrate that we'd actually be better off with McCain/Palin.

[scottlowther]

Is this where I can come out and say:

"If you support McCain/Palin over Obama/Biden you are a fucking retard who doesn't understand what that is going to do, not only to your countries economy and internal policies, but your relationships with other nations, the world economy and the general impression that the rest of the world has of Americans?"

Is this the part where I can come out and point and laugh?

Only after you demonstrate that we'd actually be better off with McCain/Palin.

Well, we wouldn't have Obama, as a start. Granted, McCain himself was pretty bad, but at least he understood that the answer to economic problems such as the Barney Frank Housing Meltdown is not to vastly increase the size and scope of an already bloated government, but to cut taxes on businesses.

The unemployment problem isn't because the government isn't handing out enough goodies; it's because businesses aren't employing enough people. Cut (or eliminate) corporate taxes, and businesses will flood back to the US and hire left and right.

And as for the "relationships with other nations" and "general impression that the rest of the world has of Americans," snort. That's just damned funny. 13 months of Obama kissing ass around the world, and the world is no different, except the US is now seen as weak.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3ef8f012-f969 ... ab49a.html
"It was easy for many Democrats to believe, during the nightmare years of “freedom fries,” that George W. Bush alone was to blame for the diplomatic prickliness between, say, Washington and Paris. But the basic conditions for American foreign policy have more to do with America’s outsized position in the world than with any particular politicians. Bill Clinton tangled constantly with the French, and now a visibly irritated President Nicolas Sarkozy has gone within a year from vying for Obama’s attentions to taking (in the words of a competing politician) an openly “anti-Obama position.”

Obama’s approach was supposed to produce a more cooperative Tehran and Moscow, fewer terrorists in the Muslim world, and vast new initiatives to fight global poverty. Instead, Iran has murdered dissenters while speeding up its nuclear program, Russia hasn’t discernibly budged even after the U.S. abandoned its missile shield in the Czech Republic and Poland, a Muslim suicide bomber was stopped at the last minute from blowing up a plane over Detroit on Christmas, and global gatherings have produced even less concrete action than usual."

[The Spartan]

Well, we wouldn't have Obama, as a start.

Wow. It's like defining a word with a word.

Granted, McCain himself was pretty bad, but at least he understood that the answer to economic problems such as the Barney Frank Housing Meltdown is not to vastly increase the size and scope of an already bloated government, but to cut taxes on businesses.

Am I the only person that remembers more than a month ago? Or does McCain suspending his campaign to rush to Washington and breathlessly exclaiming he wouldn't continue until the bank bailout was passed and only started resisting that sort of thing after a Democrat was in office?

The unemployment problem isn't because the government isn't handing out enough goodies; it's because businesses aren't employing enough people. Cut (or eliminate) corporate taxes, and businesses will flood back to the US and hire left and right.

So we're just going to stop paying for anything? I mean, after all, those taxes an important part of the yearly budget. You know? That thing that pays for everything that the government does? But why should we stop humping Reagan's corpse and admit that we can't keep cutting taxes without seriously fucking ourselves over? I mean it's not like we have $12 trillion plus in debt.

And let's just leave aside the fact that the Obama Stimulus was half tax cuts. I mean, why cloud the issue with facts?

And as for the "relationships with other nations" and "general impression that the rest of the world has of Americans," snort. That's just damned funny. 13 months of Obama kissing ass around the world, and the world is no different, except the US is now seen as weak.

Even if I take your Financial Times link at face value, this proves how McCain would be any better how?

[scottlowther]

Well, we wouldn't have Obama, as a start.

Wow. It's like defining a word with a word.

Granted, McCain himself was pretty bad, but at least he understood that the answer to economic problems such as the Barney Frank Housing Meltdown is not to vastly increase the size and scope of an already bloated government, but to cut taxes on businesses.

Am I the only person that remembers more than a month ago? Or does McCain suspending his campaign to rush to Washington and breathlessly exclaiming he wouldn't continue until the bank bailout was passed and only started resisting that sort of thing after a Democrat was in office?

Am I the only person that remembers more than a *post* ago? You know, where I wrote "McCain himself was pretty bad?"

Or did I need to include a *complete* list of all his failings?

The unemployment problem isn't because the government isn't handing out enough goodies; it's because businesses aren't employing enough people. Cut (or eliminate) corporate taxes, and businesses will flood back to the US and hire left and right.

So we're just going to stop paying for anything?[/quote]

Wait, what?

But why should we stop humping Reagan's corpse and admit that we can't keep cutting taxes without seriously fucking ourselves over?

Umm... let me know when we *start* cutting taxes ina meaningful way. Reagan, as you pointed out, did so, and the tax *revenues* went up as a result. Slashign capital gains taxes is another dandy way to increase tax revenues while also cutting tax *rates.* But if you are Obama, tax "fairness" (i.e. screwing over those who gain wealth) is more imprtant than tax revenues and economic growth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSDBu35 ... re=related

I mean it's not like we have $12 trillion plus in debt.

WOW. So... you see the government $12T in debt, and your response is "raise taxes?" Not "cut spending?"

WOW.

Does this work on your boss? When you go to Vegas and blow a few years income on beer, hookers, blow and blackjack, setting your family deeply in debt, the idea that occurs to you is "my boss owes me more money?"

And let's just leave aside the fact that the Obama Stimulus was half tax cuts.

And 90% budget increases. you cannot vastly bloat the size of government and not expect to increase the budget.

If you *really* want to fix the economy, slash spending and eliminate corporate taxes. Go either with a pure personal income tax, or an end-user consumption tax. The current system of taxing every dollar multiple times is incredibly inefficient, not to mention counter-productive.

[Phantasee]

The unemployment problem isn't because the government isn't handing out enough goodies; it's because businesses aren't employing enough people. Cut (or eliminate) corporate taxes, and businesses will flood back to the US and hire left and right.

Where is this flood of businesses going to come from? Your post makes it sound like they just left the US and are doing their thing somewhere else.

Eliminating corporate taxes is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, honestly. If the American system is so weak that a little bit of taxation is a huge burden for business, maybe you need to think about where the problem really lies? Last I checked, the US has some of the lowest taxation levels in the world, might even be lowest out of countries that matter.

I say these things as the owner of several small businesses. What is the source of your perspective on this issue?

[scottlowther]

Where is this flood of businesses going to come from?

Everywhere. Businesses go where the economics support them and the locals work well and cost effectively. Ireland experienced a boom some time back when they dropped their business tax rates a few percent, as businesses across the EU decided to move *there.* Asian car manufacturers have turned Alabama into "the Detroit of the South" because the business environment is good for them. While at the same time, businesses flee Detroit and environs, becaue the business environment *isn't* good there.

Eliminating corporate taxes is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, ...
I say these things as the owner of several small businesses.

What would you do if the only taxes you had to pay were your own personal income taxes? Would you grow your business? Invest in others? Hire more? Pay higher wages? Lower prices?

Alternatively: let's assume you had a direct competitor right across the street. And all of a sudden *they* didn't have to pay business taxes. And additionally, the companies they buy their raw materials from also didn't have to pay corporate taxes anymore, all the way up the chain. While you and your suppliers *do* get to pay those taxes. What would happen to *your* business?

[Phantasee]

Do you think that, in a world-wide recession, companies seriously just packed up and moved overseas? Because they sure as hell didn't come up here to Canada. Unless you're talking about larger firms and not small businesses, like multi-nationals, who love their tax cuts, tax benefits, and tax exemptions.

I would be pretty fucking pissed if the only taxes I had to pay were my own personal income taxes, because that would mean A) those taxes would have to go up to support government spending in areas that are important for the proper functioning of my business environment (like health care, education, and most importantly infrastructure), and for the proper functioning of my society (like benefits for the unemployed, disabled, and retired), and B) I couldn't write off a lot of stuff against the business taxes, meaning I would have to pay more in personal taxes anyway.

Do you honestly believe that businesses owe no responsibility to the society that they operate in? Or do you think that social responsibility is a dirty word? That business exists in a vacuum?

As for your bullshit second scenario, explain to me how the hell my competitor from across the street would get out of paying taxes and I wouldn't? All that would happen is I would hire the same lawyers and accountants he did and get myself the same deal, which would never exist in the real world anyway, btw.

[scottlowther]

Do you think that, in a world-wide recession, companies seriously just packed up and moved overseas? Because they sure as hell didn't come up here to Canada. Unless you're talking about larger firms and not small businesses, like multi-nationals, who love their tax cuts, tax benefits, and tax exemptions.

And *why* do they love them?

, because that would mean A) those taxes would have to go up to support...

WRONG. Again, look at what happens when capital gains taxes are cut. Revenues go *up.*

If you set up the tax system to make it very *appealing* to do business with you, more people will want to do business with you. Which means you'll earn more, more of them will move in and *they'll* earn more, etc. And the same percentage of a larger chunk of income means MORE MONEY.

Additionally: consider that perhaps your government might be spending too much as it is.

(like benefits for the unemployed, disabled, and retired)

Ask yourself what's better: benefits for the unemployed... or employment for the unemployed.

Do you honestly believe that businesses owe no responsibility to the society that they operate in?

No, they do not. Unless you are willing to grant the board of directors of those companies voting rights in political elections, in proportion to the number of employees. it'll be interesting to see how Wal Mart swings elections.

Businesses have but one responsibility: to do business.

All that would happen is I would hire the same lawyers and accountants he did and get myself the same deal, which would never exist in the real world anyway, btw.

Now, *why* would you do that? If you happen to like paying a whole raft of additional taxes, then why woudl you want to emulate this hypothetical competitor?

[CarsonPalmer]

No, they do not. Unless you are willing to grant the board of directors of those companies voting rights in political elections, in proportion to the number of employees. it'll be interesting to see how Wal Mart swings elections.

Businesses have but one responsibility: to do business.

Wrong, moron. All people have a responsibility to act for those good of those around whenever they can. Its not good enough to say that "My business is to make the money; fuck the rest of you bastards." That's not the way life works.

[scottlowther]

[quote="CarsonPalmer"] All people have a responsibility to act for those good of those around whenever they can.

A) Says who?
B) And who says that a business doing business the best it can *isn't* acting for the good of those around it? Isn't getting a paycheck and/or a quality product a social good?

[ThomasP]

No, they do not. Unless you are willing to grant the board of directors of those companies voting rights in political elections, in proportion to the number of employees. it'll be interesting to see how Wal Mart swings elections.

Businesses have but one responsibility: to do business.

Large corporations already have effectively more power than the average citizen, not just in economic terms but politically in the form of lobbying. They don't need to vote. Remove that power from them, and completely isolate them from the political process, and then you can make that argument.

Combine that with an unapologetic lack of social responsibility, evidenced by your last statement, and you've set up a horribly flawed scenario that tends to punish your working middle class in favor of the wealthy and the big corporations.

As long as corporations exist in a society, and certainly as long as they're sticking their noses into that society's governance, they are indeed beholden to that society. Whining about taxes and "wealth redistribution" in that climate is not just pointless, but vicious.

[Phantasee]

I saw a bit about flooding in Kenya on the Weather Network, and as I was watching the images of the waters gushing about and people walking through waist-high water, the first thing that came to my mind: Whoa, chocolate milk!

Then I heard 6 people have died.

[LT.Hit-Man303]

What do you all think of feminists?

[ray245]

What do you all think of feminists?

What kind of feminist?

[LT.Hit-Man303]

What do you all think of feminists?

What kind of feminist?

All of them

[ray245]

What do you all think of feminists?

What kind of feminist?

All of them

Some of them are OK, while others are a bunch of assholes? I have to ask, what's your point of asking such a question in this thread?

[LT.Hit-Man303]

All of them

Some of them are OK, while others are a bunch of assholes? I have to ask, what's your point of asking such a question in this thread?[/quote]

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner I have a shit ass net conection.
As much as I would like to answer your question I do not think it would be in everyone's best intrest if I answer that question since I am the " New Guy " here and people here do not know me all that will.
But once I have settled in and got to know people here and they have gotten to know me I will answer this question of yous since it is a some what personal question to me.
I have no wish to start a flame war with anyone so I fell that it is in everyone's best intrest that this question go unanswered for the time being.
As was so well said in GTA2 " Respect is everything "
I hope you can understand my POV
LT.Hit-Man

[ray245]

Some of them are OK, while others are a bunch of assholes? I have to ask, what's your point of asking such a question in this thread?

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner I have a shit ass net conection.
As much as I would like to answer your question I do not think it would be in everyone's best intrest if I answer that question since I am the " New Guy " here and people here do not know me all that will.
But once I have settled in and got to know people here and they have gotten to know me I will answer this question of yous since it is a some what personal question to me.
I have no wish to start a flame war with anyone so I fell that it is in everyone's best intrest that this question go unanswered for the time being.
As was so well said in GTA2 " Respect is everything "
I hope you can understand my POV
LT.Hit-Man

I just find it weird that you are asking such a question in the refuge from political correctness thread, where it doesn't seems to be a politically incorrect thing to ask.

[LT.Hit-Man303]

[quote="ray245
I just find it weird that you are asking such a question in the refuge from political correctness thread, where it doesn't seems to be a politically incorrect thing to ask.[/quote]

I can understand that but like I said I'm still the " FNG " guy here and I'll tell I'm abous as PC as drunken rabid goat in a whorehouse full if chicks hopped up on crack and extascy and spanish fly
Just trying to be respectful that's all I hope you are well my friend