Four Tie Defenders vs Six Enterprise E's

LT.Hit-Man · Post by **LT.Hit-Man** » 2003-02-16 02:34am

Who would win and what would the losses be?

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-16 02:35am

Is it just me, or is this matchup unbalanced.

Tie Defenders, of course, Just hug the hulls of the ships and bombard them with missiles and blasters.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-16 02:40am

"This is Gnomer One, we have identified six Sovereign class war cruisers, what should our next course of action be?"

"Gnomer One this is the Imperator Star Destroyer Lawn Ornament, procede to fire torpedoes at the Sovereign warships."

"Copy that Lawn Ornament, proceding bombardment."

*just then the Gnomer Squadron fires six torpedoes. Upon impact with the E-Es, they are turned to a larger-than usual expanding cloud of gas in open space*

How one-sided....

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-16 02:43am

I think it depends on how big of warheads the TIE/Ds can carry.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-16 02:56am

If they have protorps its over. If they have anything lighter then it depends n how much the Ion cannons screw up the frequency based shields. with the shields down then the Tie/D just has to strafe the Nacelles to make the Sov worthless

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-02-16 04:54am

Well... TIE/D's may be capable of packing a wallop, but, as fighters, there's a chance that the E-E's phasers could still damage 'em. It could go either way... ultimately depends on who manages to connect their shots.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-16 05:19am

SPOOFE wrote:Well... TIE/D's may be capable of packing a wallop, but, as fighters, there's a chance that the E-E's phasers could still damage 'em. It could go either way... ultimately depends on who manages to connect their shots.

TIE defenders are much, much faster than even TIE Inteceptors, and we see how accurate ST weapons are.

Chances of hitting the Defenders is jack-squat. And yes, the Defenders carry prototorps. Even continous blaster fire would fuck up a Souvreign, ( not to mention Ion cannons.)

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-16 09:00am

The Defenders take it easily. The Warp Nacells make such easy targets. THe pilots would hit them and then pepper the saucer section with torps and ion cannon. BOOM dead soverign.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-02-16 10:17am

Captain tycho wrote:
SPOOFE wrote:Well... TIE/D's may be capable of packing a wallop, but, as fighters, there's a chance that the E-E's phasers could still damage 'em. It could go either way... ultimately depends on who manages to connect their shots.
TIE defenders are much, much faster than even TIE Inteceptors, and we see how accurate ST weapons are. Chances of hitting the Defenders is jack-squat. And yes, the Defenders carry prototorps. Even continous blaster fire would fuck up a Souvreign, ( not to mention Ion cannons.)

Funny how people use non Federation examples to prove Federation accuracy sucks. The Federation has shown near 100% accuracy with phasers.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-16 11:22am

Even the lowly 190 megaton missiles on Slave 1 would prove fatal. While they might not destroy the vessels if spread across the hull, a massed volly against the engineering section will prove fatal.

At least four sov's would die that way, and the TIEs would likely have the missiles left to kill the others. Lasers and ion might be enough on there own though.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-16 11:43am

Unless they are carrying anti cap ship torps, the TIEs die.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-16 11:46am

The Federation has near 100 Accuracy

Here's Poe take on this...again

As for the battle...if the Defenders do have Slave-1 missles armed...it's pretty much over in many ways.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-16 12:09pm

Alyeska wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:
SPOOFE wrote:Well... TIE/D's may be capable of packing a wallop, but, as fighters, there's a chance that the E-E's phasers could still damage 'em. It could go either way... ultimately depends on who manages to connect their shots.
TIE defenders are much, much faster than even TIE Inteceptors, and we see how accurate ST weapons are. Chances of hitting the Defenders is jack-squat. And yes, the Defenders carry prototorps. Even continous blaster fire would fuck up a Souvreign, ( not to mention Ion cannons.)
Funny how people use non Federation examples to prove Federation accuracy sucks. The Federation has shown near 100% accuracy with phasers.

"Dragon Teeth." Tuvok says phaser locks are hard to get against maneuvering targets.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-02-16 01:05pm

Captain tycho wrote:
SPOOFE wrote:Well... TIE/D's may be capable of packing a wallop, but, as fighters, there's a chance that the E-E's phasers could still damage 'em. It could go either way... ultimately depends on who manages to connect their shots.
TIE defenders are much, much faster than even TIE Inteceptors, and we see how accurate ST weapons are. Chances of hitting the Defenders is jack-squat. And yes, the Defenders carry prototorps. Even continous blaster fire would fuck up a Souvreign, ( not to mention Ion cannons.)

The Defenders are also big, big targets. I wouldn't rule out that they could take losses. But they'd still win, probably.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-16 01:09pm

Senario Conditions:

If we go by more realistic calcs from the show and movies, we see their shielding is kiloton-range at best. The Soveriegns might die from laser attacks.

If we go by TM calcs, its a different story.

If the TIE Defenders are equipped with higher-yield weapons, such as Slave 1 AOTC missiles or better, several of the Soveriegns are toast, perhaps all of them.

Phasers may be inaffective, as Federation phaser strips DO NOT show total accuracy as the above link's vid clearly demonstrate.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-16 01:37pm

Slartibartfast wrote: The Defenders are also big, big targets. I wouldn't rule out that they could take losses. But they'd still win, probably.

7.4 meters is a "big, big" target?

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-16 01:45pm

Alyeska wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:
SPOOFE wrote:Well... TIE/D's may be capable of packing a wallop, but, as fighters, there's a chance that the E-E's phasers could still damage 'em. It could go either way... ultimately depends on who manages to connect their shots.
TIE defenders are much, much faster than even TIE Inteceptors, and we see how accurate ST weapons are. Chances of hitting the Defenders is jack-squat. And yes, the Defenders carry prototorps. Even continous blaster fire would fuck up a Souvreign, ( not to mention Ion cannons.)
Funny how people use non Federation examples to prove Federation accuracy sucks. The Federation has shown near 100% accuracy with phasers.

Describe 'near' 100% accuracy.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-02-16 01:59pm

Ender wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote: The Defenders are also big, big targets. I wouldn't rule out that they could take losses. But they'd still win, probably.
7.4 meters is a "big, big" target?

Compared to a Fighter or Interceptor, yes.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-16 02:08pm

A TIE fighter is 6.6 meters
A TIE Interceptor is 6.8 meters

I don't see 80cm and 60cm respectively being that big a difference.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-16 02:11pm

Target profile is an important design factor, Ender. And the TIE/D has a miserably poor target profile.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-02-16 02:42pm

Captain tycho wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:TIE defenders are much, much faster than even TIE Inteceptors, and we see how accurate ST weapons are. Chances of hitting the Defenders is jack-squat. And yes, the Defenders carry prototorps. Even continous blaster fire would fuck up a Souvreign, ( not to mention Ion cannons.)
Funny how people use non Federation examples to prove Federation accuracy sucks. The Federation has shown near 100% accuracy with phasers.
Describe 'near' 100% accuracy.

Dragons Teeth shows the lowest example of UFP accuracy, however their targeting sensors were damaged and Tuvok was firing manually he still managed 60%. That is the lowest I know of, and this example comes from the last half of the episode the first half may have lower examples.

However, most examples show them to be in the high 80s to 100%. Though it should be noted that these are against starships and not small agile fighters.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-16 02:45pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Target profile is an important design factor, Ender. And the TIE/D has a miserably poor target profile.

How so? From the front and rear it is about the same as with most TIEs, a ball with empty space between the pylons. From the top it is less then side profile of a TIE Interceptor, and from the side it is better then the TIE Fighter.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-16 03:10pm

[quote="Kamakazie SithDragons Teeth shows the lowest example of UFP accuracy, however their targeting sensors were damaged and Tuvok was firing manually he still managed 60%[/quote]

Against CLOSE, LARGE UNMANEUVERING TARGETS! Hell if they weren't shooting at Voyager, those fighters could be escorting her!

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-02-16 03:16pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:[quote="Kamakazie SithDragons Teeth shows the lowest example of UFP accuracy, however their targeting sensors were damaged and Tuvok was firing manually he still managed 60%

Against CLOSE, LARGE UNMANEUVERING TARGETS! Hell if they weren't shooting at Voyager, those fighters could be escorting her![/quote]

Yeah, I say he did pretty damn well for not having the assistance of the computer. He managed to fire multiple arrays and score hits.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-16 03:20pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote: Yeah, I say he did pretty damn well for not having the assistance of the computer. He managed to fire multiple arrays and score hits.

http://startrek.com/library/media_VOY.asp?id=111413

Decent.