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Due North: Canada’s Marvelous Mortgage and Banking System
By Mark J. Perry
Friday, February 26, 2010

Filed under: Economic Policy, Boardroom, Government & Politics, Public Square, World Watch

What about the Canadian banking system allowed it to survive the recent worldwide slowdown without a single bank failure? What can the United States learn from Canada about sound banking?

There were some significant differences between Canada and the United States during the recent financial crisis. In general, Canada’s banking system proved more prudent, more resilient, and much less prone to excesses. Taking a closer look at these differences might tell us how the United States got into the mess it is in, and illuminate some ideas for future reforms.

Consider, for example, some of the following facts, illustrated with charts.

Canada didn’t have nearly the real estate bubble and subsequent corrective crash in home prices as the United States:

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Canada has had nowhere near the problems with mortgage delinquencies and home foreclosures as the United States:

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Yet Canadian banks remained profitable and reported positive return on equity even in the worst year of the meltdown, 2008, when U.S. banks (and banks in the United Kingdom and Europe) lost money and had negative returns on equity.

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These were some of the more interesting banking statistics present recently at the American Enterprise Institute’s seminar, “Canadian versus U.S. Housing Finance: Comparison and Implications,” organized by AEI resident fellow Alex Pollock.

And this recent financial crisis isn’t the first time that Canada’s banking system showed greater signs of stability and less exposure to stress than U.S. banks. In the 1930s, when 9,000 U.S. banks failed during the Great Depression, not a single bank in Canada failed. When almost 3,000 American banks failed during the Savings and Loan (S&L) Crisis, only two small Canadian banks failed in 1985, and those were the first bank failures in Canada since 1923. And while almost 200 U.S. banks have failed since the start of the global recession in early 2008, Canada remains the only industrialized country in the world that has survived the last two years of financial and economic stress without a single bank failure.

Canada remains the only industrialized country in the world that has survived the last two years of financial and economic stress without a single bank failure.
What about the Canadian banking system allowed it to survive the recent worldwide slowdown, and even the Great Depression, without a single bank failure, and what can the United States learn from Canada about sound banking? Below is a summary of some of the distinctly different features of Canada’s banks and mortgage markets discussed at the AEI seminar, which help explain the greater financial stress resiliency of Canadian banks compared to American banks.

1. Full Recourse Mortgages in Canada. Almost all Canadian mortgages are “full recourse” loans, meaning that the borrower remains fully responsible for the mortgage even in the case of foreclosure. If a bank in Canada forecloses on a home with negative equity, it can file a deficiency judgment against the borrower, which allows it to attach the borrower’s other assets and even take legal action to garnish the borrower’s future wages. In the United States, we have a mix of recourse and non-recourse laws that vary by state, but even in recourse states, the use of deficiency judgments to attach assets and garnish wages is infrequent. The full recourse feature of Canadian mortgages results in more responsible borrowing, fewer delinquencies, and significantly fewer foreclosures than in the United States.

The full recourse feature of Canadian mortgages results in more responsible borrowing, fewer delinquencies, and significantly fewer foreclosures than in the United States.
2. Shorter-Term Fixed Rates in Canada. Canadian mortgages carry a fixed interest rate for a maximum of five years, and rates are then re-negotiated for the next five years, similar to a five-year adjustable rate. This practice allows banks to achieve a better maturity match between their assets (mortgages and loans) and interest income, and their liabilities (deposits) and interest expense, which protects them from the kind of maturity mismatch and interest rate risk that resulted in our S&L crisis and almost 3,000 bank failures in the 1980s and 1990s.

3. Mortgage Insurance Is More Common in Canada than in the United States. About half of Canadian mortgages carry mortgage insurance (compared to 30 percent in the U.S. currently and only 15 percent before the crisis), primarily for those mortgages financing the purchase of a home with less than a 20 percent down payment, and the borrower is required to pay the full mortgage insurance premium upfront. Another difference from the U.S. is that when private insurance companies in Canada insure mortgages, they have the authority to approve or reject the property appraisal, and they have strong financial incentives to only approve realistic property appraisals. Mortgage insurance in Canada covers the full loan amount for the full life of the mortgage, and cannot be eliminated like in the United States when the property value exceeds the mortgage balance. The traditionally much higher frequency of mortgage insurance in Canada compared to the United States helps to stabilize Canada’s mortgage and housing markets, and is one of the many features that contribute to its ranking as the safest banking system in the world.

Compared to the United States, the Canadian banking system is much more concentrated, with the five largest Canadian banks (out of only 82 in the entire country, compared to more than 8,000 banks in the U.S.) holding more than 80 percent of total bank assets.
4. No Tax Deductibility of Mortgage Interest in Canada. Home mortgage interest has never been tax-deductible in Canada, so there is no tax advantage to home ownership in Canada over renting. (Addendum: Except that any capital gains from the sale of a principal residence in Canada are not taxed). There is also no tax benefit to converting home equity into household debt in Canada, which has resulted in a much greater equity accumulation in Canada (70 percent of total real estate value) than in the United States (currently only about 45 percent). Also, paying down your mortgage in Canada is a tax-free investment and further encourages greater equity accumulation than in the United States. Interestingly, even without any tax advantage for home ownership, the Canadian homeownership rate (69 percent) is actually higher than in the United States (67.2 percent).

5. Higher Prepayment Penalties in Canada. Prepaying mortgages in Canada is allowed, but there are much stiffer prepayment penalties (three months of mortgage interest) than in the United States, which discourages the kind of refinancing that frequently took place in the United States leading up to the housing meltdown, and often involved pulling home equity out in the refinancing process (encouraged by the tax deductibility of mortgage interest).

Home mortgage interest has never been tax-deductible in Canada.
6. Public Policy Differences for Low-Income Housing. To promote affordable housing for low-income households, the Canadian government has not used public policies like the Community Reinvestment Act in the United States, which encouraged homeownership for lower-income and less creditworthy borrowers, financed frequently with subprime mortgages. Instead, the Canadian government provides public funding for low-income rental housing, rather than encouraging homeownership for low-income households, and Canada has thus avoided the American mistake of using misguided policies to turn good, low-income renters into bad homeowners.

7. Differences in Canada’s Bank Concentration and Greater Diversification. Compared to the United States, the Canadian banking system is much more concentrated, with the five largest Canadian banks (out of only 82 in the entire country, compared to more than 8,000 banks in the United States) holding more than 80 percent of total bank assets. This concentration became an advantage during the recent financial crisis because it facilitated critical discussions among the five large banks and the single federal regulator (the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions). Also, Canada has never had branching restrictions like the U.S. laws that prevented interstate banking up until 1994, and this has historically allowed Canadian banks to achieve geographical diversification for their deposits and loans portfolios. It was largely this difference in geographical diversification that help explains why the United States had 9,000 bank failures during the Great Depression (each operating within only one of the 48 states, due to the prohibition on interstate branching) and not a single Canadian bank (all with branches nationwide) failed in the 1930s.

Interestingly, even without any tax advantage for home ownership, the Canadian homeownership rate (69 percent) is actually higher than in the U.S. (67.2 percent).
8. A Few Other Differences that Contribute to Bank Safety in Canada. There is a much lower rate of loan originations by mortgage brokers in Canada (only 35 percent) than in the U.S. (70 percent), far less mortgage securitization in Canada than here, and a much smaller subprime mortgage market. Banks in Canada keep and service 68 percent of the mortgages on their own balance sheets that they originate and underwrite, which encourages prudent lending since banks are putting much of their own capital at risk. Finally, almost all mortgage payments in Canada are made electronically by an automatic payment arrangement, which minimizes late payments.

Bottom Line: Taken together, the features and regulations of banks in Canada outlined above create a healthy and sound “pro-lender” environment absent of political motivations for outcomes like greater homeownership, compared to the often politically motivated “pro-borrower” and “pro-homeowner” policies of the United States. While Canada’s banking system has promoted responsible borrowing and prudent lending and underwriting practices with little politically motivated interference, the U.S. banking system seems to have encouraged excessive lending to risky borrowers because of the political obsession with homeownership.

Canada’s banks are generally ranked as the safest and soundest in the world, and their non-politicized banking system could provide a model for banking reform in the United States. Moving towards the Canadian banking system could go a long way towards stabilizing our mortgage, credit, and housing markets and make us less vulnerable to financial shocks in the future.

Mark J. Perry is a professor of economics in the School of Management at the Flint campus of the University of Michigan, and a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.
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This does back up what Mike was saying before in other threads, that banks in Canada are generally MUCH more conservative in how they handled their money; e.g. unlike U.S. banks, they didn't take the money invested in them and pump it into increasingly riskier investments, but instead limited it to more sound payoff projects.
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Uh, no shit? Do I have to ask you again? Other countries with either better regulated or more prudent banking cultures did way better than America. Is this news to you? The moral is tighter controls and more responsibile practicises (which often encourage each other) are a great benefit, which is what people were saying for years before this happened.
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Why are you being so aggressive? He's presenting the case fpr a particular banking system in a particular country, information many might find interesting, even if not new.
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Excuse me? I asked a relevant question. How is that 'aggressive'? Nothing in that article should be a surprise to anyone, certianly not anyone on this board. It's also particualrly amusing because similar forces limited the impact on Australia despite it's far worse economy. This is so well-commented on throughout the world I was surprised Shep would post it without comment.
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How is that 'aggressive'?
"Uh, no shit? Do I have to ask you again?...Is this news to you? "

Perhaps the transfer of the written word to my head got the tonal delievery wrong, but it comes off as snarky.

It's interesting information. I always knew that the Canadian banking system outperformed America's on this front, but I never really knew the regulatory reasons why.
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Sorry, after Shep decides to ignore things people post, I consider it on.

It's interesting to note that the points are generally blindingly obvious; regualtions or banking culture that does easily understandable things to make the system stronger. Ignoring regulation, you have to look at the attitude of bankers to imagine why they prefer the American manner of doing business.
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This article reads like high-school report on the Canadian banking industry. And Stark's right, the points are pretty obvious to anyone who has bothered to pay attention to the news during this whole "financial crisis". I'm pretty sure a lot of the articles posted in this very forum about the crisis mentioned that Canadian banks are better regulated and didn't have as much trouble as US ones.
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Canada remains the only industrialized country in the world that has survived the last two years of financial and economic stress without a single bank failure.
Australia might dispute this assertion, unless we suddenly are no longer an industrialised country anymore.

Sure some of our non bank financial institution took a hit and needed some Federal government help, but the big four banks are still highly profitable, some of the little ones are expanding or were sold off albeit still profitable (eg Bankwest since its foreign owner took a hit and had to liquidate assets).
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How many of the eight points listed in the OP are cultural and how many are regulatory?

It also struck me how several of the points listed are actually more libertarian than the situation in the US. Full recourse mortgages? Legal interstate branching? No mortgage interest tax deductibility? Even when the Canadians do the libertarian thing, they do it better than the US.
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Phantasee wrote:This article reads like high-school report on the Canadian banking industry.
Well, coming from someone who is not a Canadian, and who (so far as I know) is not an expert on economics in general or banking in particular... what do you expect, a master's thesis?

I think it at least makes sense to bring it up, for the sake of discussing what US banks did wrong and Canadian banks did right if nothing else.
Surlethe wrote:How many of the eight points listed in the OP are cultural and how many are regulatory?

It also struck me how several of the points listed are actually more libertarian than the situation in the US. Full recourse mortgages? Legal interstate branching? No mortgage interest tax deductibility? Even when the Canadians do the libertarian thing, they do it better than the US.
As I put it in another thread recently, American libertarianism gets used as a fig leaf for American corporatism. Fig leaves don't make very good policy-makers.
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There's truth to all 8 points though the last one is starting to become debatable, but we'll get back to that later. A big part of why our banks haven't failed is that instead of constantly shoving in money to cover MBS losses, derivatives losses and so forth, we went in and fixed the books from the bottom up so that the losses don't have a chance to multiply. In Canada, the government went in and guaranteed the mortgages via the CMHC, thus if the mortgages go bad they're "made whole" via the CMHC insurance so the banks don't get a hole blown in their balance sheets and since the mortgages are still "whole", the losses aren't multiplied upwards through MBSs, collateralized debt obligations and all the other structured finance instruments. We stopped things dead (for now) before they had a chance to multiply and run away. Whether we can continue to do so and for how long is still up for debate.

Getting back to point #8, specifically, MBSs. Page 13 of the Bank of Canada weekly stats is cause for concern. I speak of the column marked "NHA mortgage backed securities", it's growing at an alarming rate which means our banks have taken advantage of the government backstop on mortgages to load up on these securities and game them for profits. Moral hazard? Yup. And if the government backstop runs out or fails it can blow up our banks just like it did in the US.
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Surlethe wrote:How many of the eight points listed in the OP are cultural and how many are regulatory?
I think all but #7 are regulatory, but without our generally conservative culture those regulations wouldn't have passed in the first place. For the most part we still believe that banks should serve a utility function and turn modest profits year after year for the rest of our lives. We don't expect record profits every quarter, as long as they're making some money we're more than happy. We actually get pissed at our banks when they make too much money and accuse them of profiteering and leeching off their customers. (sidenote: I was a Royal Bank of Canada shareholder and in one of the newsletters & updates we got the majority of shareholders were seriously pissed that RBC wanted to branch out into higher risk investments in the US & worldwide)
It also struck me how several of the points listed are actually more libertarian than the situation in the US. Full recourse mortgages? Legal interstate branching? No mortgage interest tax deductibility? Even when the Canadians do the libertarian thing, they do it better than the US.
It's funny, we're supposedly a more socialist country, but when it comes to banks, we let them rape you for all you're worth. It's more libertarian in that sense, but at the same time we regulate them harder than in the US so they don't get too abusive with their powers.
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Simon_Jester wrote:
Phantasee wrote:This article reads like high-school report on the Canadian banking industry.
Well, coming from someone who is not a Canadian, and who (so far as I know) is not an expert on economics in general or banking in particular... what do you expect, a master's thesis?
"Mark J. Perry is a professor of economics in the School of Management at the Flint campus of the University of Michigan, and a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute."

I would understand the lack of depth if it was written for something like Time or some other weekly news magazine, but for a website supposedly dedicated to American small-business and enterprise you'd think he'd put some effort in beyond reading a few graphs to us.

Maybe I've been spoiled by Rolling Stone?
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Phantasee wrote:I would understand the lack of depth if it was written for something like Time or some other weekly news magazine, but for a website supposedly dedicated to American small-business and enterprise you'd think he'd put some effort in beyond reading a few graphs to us.
You're spoiled. Even in publications such as the WSJ, Financial Times, and other dedicated financial and business sites this is about par for the course. I've even gone through some investment magazines at the library and they're not any better. Sadly enough the best & most detailed analysis is found on blogs & message boards, along with proprietary research reports which get posted on Scribd. See Prof. Steve Keen's blog for lots of fun stuff.
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Surlethe wrote:It also struck me how several of the points listed are actually more libertarian than the situation in the US. Full recourse mortgages? Legal interstate branching? No mortgage interest tax deductibility? Even when the Canadians do the libertarian thing, they do it better than the US.
In a discussion I had with my co-workers we arrived at the conclusion that many things in Canada work on the honour system. In this case banks are allowed much latitude to conduct their business while at the same time regulators have a pretty big hammer to swing at them if they get out of line. We give them lots of freedom and trust them to refrain from abusing their privileges. The regulators can come down hard on them but that's rarely needed since the industry knows that if it behaves itself everyone will be happy and they'll keep a hands off approach. Everyone plays nice except for the occasional hedge fund.

Mind you my country's founding principle is "Peace, order, and good government" so yeah, I guess this is to be expected.
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But it's different here! Until it isn't.

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TD overhauls mortgage program as housing market slows
STEVE LADURANTAYE — REAL ESTATE REPORTER
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Published Monday, Oct. 11, 2010 6:28PM EDT
Last updated Wednesday, Oct. 13, 2010 10:02AM EDT


TD Bank (TD-T72.75-0.80-1.09%) is revamping its mortgage program, making it easier for homeowners to tap into their equity and harder for them to switch to another lender when their mortgages come up for renewal.

At the heart of the overhaul is a switch to collateral-charge mortgages, which are similar to lines of credit. The bank is encouraging employees to approve customers at 125 per cent of a home’s actual value under certain circumstances, so the homeowner can easily borrow more money if their property increases in value.

Unlike traditional mortgages, the collateral mortgages are difficult to transfer from one lender to another, because they must be paid in full to be cancelled. That means if someone wants to change lenders, they need to renegotiate from scratch.

While other banks offer variations on the collateral mortgage, TD is the first to switch exclusively as of Oct. 18. Existing mortgages aren’t affected by the change.

The bank’s move comes as the housing market cools and fewer Canadians apply for mortgages. It’s an attempt to entice buyers who expect to tap into rising values and don’t plan to shop around for better rates in the future.

Competition for new business is intensifying; record low mortgage rates weren’t enough to stop a slowdown of new buyers in the market during the summer. Sales fell by more than 30 per cent in Toronto and Vancouver, sending lenders scrambling to secure new business with innovative products and even lower rates.

Bank of Montreal currently offers the least expensive five-year fixed term at 3.59 per cent, although only its best applicants are likely to qualify at the special rate. Bank of Nova Scotia offers its customers the ability to split mortgages into two or three different components, each with its own terms.

TD said its new offering will ensure customers don’t pay additional charges to tap into their rising equity, which it called “great news for both you and your customer” in an internal memo to its mortgage brokers.

“Customers may under many circumstances choose to register their collateral charge for more than the approved principal amount of the mortgage, up to 125 per cent of the property value,” the e-mail stated. “This will allow them to borrow additional funds in the future without having to re-register ... eliminating any solicitor and in-house registration fees.”

A homeowner can’t simply call the bank and access the extra money they were approved for, however. The deal is dependent on values rising, and in each instance the bank said it would need to inspect the home.

“Part of our credit approval includes an assessment of the current value of the property – an appraisal of the property – to ensure the existing value can support the increased borrowing,” said spokesperson Kelly Hechler.

The move has sparked anger among the country’s independent mortgage brokers, who see the change as a direct shot at an industry that has been gaining market share from the big banks by competing fiercely on mortgage rates.

“Credit unions have always gone this route so it’s not like they are reinventing the wheel,” said Mike Averbach of Vancouver’s Averbach Mortgages. “People literally have to cash out if they want to change over, so it’s just another way for them to be handcuffed to the bank.”
Loaning out mortgages for 125% of what the home is worth, what could possibly go wrong? So much for conservative Canadian banks. Unless they can offload all these mortgages to the CHMC and let the taxpayers take the hit (thanks to CMHC loan guarantees by the federal government) when the loans default, TD is going to get reamed.
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Guys, I am not going to moderate this thread right now, but I really would like to see a Stark/Shep exchange in the future that does not follow the "Screw you/No fuck you" pattern. The amount of bitching in this forum needs to go down, or I will make it go down by starting to be more oppressive.
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In that case: Screw you and your ability to read time stamps. :P

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Stark wrote:That happened nearly six months ago. :)
Indeed.

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Ooops! Sorry, I missed the dates myself, I thought it was only around a month old at most, must've had a blonde moment.

Anyway, back on topic, CIBC and Scotiabank are now offering cashback mortgages, basically, the borrower makes the mandatory 5-10% downpayment and the bank gives them a "cash out" on their mortgage which effectively makes it into a 0% downpayment loan. Once again, what could possibly go wrong with a 0% down mortgage? We saw what happened when the US did it and now we're doing it too. It is truly the Albert Einstein definition of insanity.
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Post by ShadowOfMadness »

Thanas wrote:In that case: Screw you and your ability to read time stamps. :P

In my defense, I blame J.
Females are always at fault. You are very wise Thanas.


@J
They are being dumb and greedy....:/

I hope the Regulators Regulate themselves a pound of flesh off the hide of whatever idiot(s) that decided to engage in that course of action.
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Re: Forget Canada's Healthcare System! Lets Steal their Bank

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Well, I imagine nobody is going to regulate anything until it goes tits up, or until the government decides to do something about it (hahahaha, not likely).
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