Does anybody have an exact ship count of Imp or Fed fleets?

[Alyeska]

Pellaeon was very clearly stating that at the height of the Empire it had 25,000 Star Destroyers it could use. The quote clearly indicates that is the max number of Star Destroyers. By extension the term Star Destroyer when written by Zhan clearly means Imperial Star Destroyers. The Empire had 25,000 ISDs (MK1 and MK2) at its height. And yes, Pellaeon would most certainly know. The Empire would keep records on its fleet and when he achieved the rank of Supreme Commander to the IR fleet he would most definately know what the Empire had prior to Endor.

How? After 20 years, records could be destroyed, stolen or unaccessable because those with the authorization codes are dead.

Not information this relatively simple. There is nothing grossly secret about this information.

[Alyeska]

I prefer Marina's interpretation myself.

25,000 ISDs good for use at any given time.

With other ships tied to sectors and bases and campiagns like Thrawn's.

25 k ISDs Mk. 1 and Mk. 2 is simply not enough to patrol something the size of the Empire, esp. when the damn Federation supposedly has 12,000 ships for their comparitively puny territory and industrial capacity.

That doesn't really fly. Pellaeon was indicating the total firepower of the Empire by stating that it was able to build that many ships.

And this has nothing to do with the Federation. They have 12,000 ships of a much smaller size and smaller territory to defend. Furthermore these 25,000 ISDs aren't the sole power behind the Empire. There are 200 lesser ships per ISD minimum. That is a fleet of 5 million ships (excluding ISDs) for the Empire, just assuming 200 lesser ships per ISD. With fleet counts getting towards 10 million thats 400 ships per ISD. This includes VSDs, Interdictors, and even ships as small as corvettes. 25,000 ISDs is not a small number. It represents the primary striking power of the Empire and that is actually quite powerful.

[Master of Ossus]

I prefer Marina's interpretation myself.

25,000 ISDs good for use at any given time.

With other ships tied to sectors and bases and campiagns like Thrawn's.

25 k ISDs Mk. 1 and Mk. 2 is simply not enough to patrol something the size of the Empire, esp. when the damn Federation supposedly has 12,000 ships for their comparitively puny territory and industrial capacity.

That doesn't really fly. Pellaeon was indicating the total firepower of the Empire by stating that it was able to build that many ships.

And this has nothing to do with the Federation. They have 12,000 ships of a much smaller size and smaller territory to defend. Furthermore these 25,000 ISDs aren't the sole power behind the Empire. There are 200 lesser ships per ISD minimum. That is a fleet of 5 million ships (excluding ISDs) for the Empire, just assuming 200 lesser ships per ISD. With fleet counts getting towards 10 million thats 400 ships per ISD. This includes VSDs, Interdictors, and even ships as small as corvettes. 25,000 ISDs is not a small number. It represents the primary striking power of the Empire and that is actually quite powerful.

I agree with Alyeska. ISD's are not the only ships used by Imperial fleets, but more importantly, comparing Imperial and Federation fleet-size:territory ratios is not an accurate reflection of either side. The Federation fleet patrols a smaller territory with much slower ships, that take (let's say) three days to gather in any particular area within their territory. The Empire, in the same time, could pool ships from almost a quarter of the Galaxy. Moreover, the UFP's ships are weaker in that they are incapable of destroying or capturing a planet by themselves, and the majority of them are not even designed as combat starships, but rather as explorers, which would require further ships/planet.

[His Divine Shadow]

We have pretty solid official figures that gives us 10-22 million ships, thats the figures I go by.

[His Divine Shadow]

There are 200 lesser ships per ISD minimum. That is a fleet of 5 million ships (excluding ISDs) for the Empire, just assuming 200 lesser ships per ISD

I believe thats comes from OOB based information, the actual ratio of ISD's and smaller ships seems to be steeper than that-

With fleet counts getting towards 10 million thats 400 ships per ISD

22.5 million to be exact is the highest estimate I have, basing it on the numbers given in Crackens Rebel Field Guide(or something like that) and the Black Fleet Crisis.

[Illuminatus Primus]

That doesn't really fly. Pellaeon was indicating the total firepower of the Empire by stating that it was able to build that many ships.

And this has nothing to do with the Federation. They have 12,000 ships of a much smaller size and smaller territory to defend. Furthermore these 25,000 ISDs aren't the sole power behind the Empire. There are 200 lesser ships per ISD minimum. That is a fleet of 5 million ships (excluding ISDs) for the Empire, just assuming 200 lesser ships per ISD. With fleet counts getting towards 10 million thats 400 ships per ISD. This includes VSDs, Interdictors, and even ships as small as corvettes. 25,000 ISDs is not a small number. It represents the primary striking power of the Empire and that is actually quite powerful.

Actually Marina's calcs account for it period. He said the Imperial Navy itself had 25,000 ISDs. The OT incidates regional starfleets or a branch known as "the starfleet." Furthermore, Zahn's notoriously minimalistic, as he repeated WEG fallacies and they generally fantasize that the ISD was the largest vessel the Empire really used, which the comics and the movies make clear that 1 mile vessels are not the cream of the crop, so to speak. Additionally the original 25 k statement comes from WEG, yet their figures place ISDs around what should be a much higher number.

If the Trade Federation can bring thousands of ships which vastly out mass and are twice the length of an ISD for a minor politically motivated blockade, I find it incredible people still support Bantam/WEG minimalism in light of new evidence and common sense.

[JME2]

Well we can get a close count on Federation Starships thanks to Dialog and it rests definatly at somewhere under 20,000 with 6,00,-14,000 where most estmates place it, Exact numbers... I belive it was done awhile back in another thread

Don't forget that the Federation suffered heavy losses due to the Dominion War. It's uncertain, but estimates place the number of lost ships from 4,000 to 6,000, most likely 3,000.