Attack Of The Clones... Damnit.

[Galvatron]

I'm as avid a prequel hater as anyone you'll ever meet, but I must confess that I've grown to love the LAAT. In fact, I love it so much, I'll be happy to reuse it when (not if) I somehow strike it rich and buy the rights to Star Wars away from Lucasfilm so I can finally make episodes 1-3 & 6-9 my way.

I'll even hire Elfdart as a consulting producer just so I can have someone tell me what a dick I am the whole time.

[Havok]

I call design director!

[Channel72]

Then I hope you stay away from the Godfather movies because Kaye sticks with Michael Corleone when she knows he's a mobster and after she finds out he had just killed his own brother-in-law and a bunch of other people while attending the christening of his own nephew (the son of the man he had strangled). She's still loyal to him in the second movie until it's almost over. At that point she aborts his son and tells him, he calls her a cunt, beats her up and then kills his own brother. Surely she would have nothing to do with such a brute, right? But in the third movie, there she is by Michael's side once again.

This is by far one of the stupidest comparisons I've ever read. Kay was Michael's wife. In AotC, Padme just met Anakin (as an adult) like a couple of days before he went on the killing spree. Also, Kay doesn't know Micheal killed his brother-in-law at the end of the first movie, since Michael lies to her when she asks him directly. All she knows is that he is the new Godfather. And in the Godfather II, she divorces him precisely because he is a monster. The only reason she's still at all associated with Michael in Part III is because of their children.

[adam_grif]

Nah. AOTC is the worst. By far. As I said, the score is awful. The dialogue is awful. The actual acting is pretty bad. The character interactions are bad. The editing is way off, the quick zooms are completely out of place. The Clones look weird. The story itself is completely stupid.

At least TPM feels like a movie. AOTC feels amateurish.

Everything in the first paragraph except quick zooms and clones applies to TPM as well. I didn't get that wierdness vibe from the clones mind you. For me, it's the lol moment when Yoda pulls out a lightsaber, the inclusion of the hammy-as-ever Christopher Lee and the mindless jedi killing (Take THAT you stupid fucks!) violence that elevates it above TPM.

I call design director!

I call unpleasable fanbase!

[Elfdart]

LOL yeah you're right, a dramatic use of battered wives and mafia family politics in the immigrant experience is EXACTLY THE SAME as Star Wars.

In both stories a woman refuses to believe the obvious: the man she loves is a murderer who craves power.

By this hilarious logic, if a movie ever shows any sort of reaction to anything, it must be okay all the time.

Feel free to quote where I make such a claim, or anything remotely like it. Until then, go fuck yourself.

Anyone who can watch the Godfather series and think that Kaye is some kind of forgiving saint is a retard.

Until she has the abortion and brags about it, she does in fact come across as a doormat. She knows early on that her husband is part of a mob family, is wanted for killing a police officer, and watches as his own sister accuses him (rightly) of killing her husband. Yet she marries him and stays with him until near the end of the next film.

I saw a movie once where people split up when under threat by a single murderer. Thus, it's always okay to do that, even in totally different circumstances.

Feel free to quote where I make such a claim or anything like it. Until then, go fuck yourself with your little straw man.

That you're so stupid you missed the part about 'being referred to again' is just golden. Nobody said she should split up with him; simply that it is totally ignored, and Padme is continued to be presented as a bastion of freedom and morality rather than an emotional cripple with codependency issues. Uh oh!

Of course it's not possible for a character to be both.

When Obi-Wan tells Padme that Anakin just killed the kids in the Temple, what is Padme's reaction? Does she sit and wait for Anakin to return like she said she would? Why... no! She runs off to find him herself and tries to convince him to run away with her and forget about acquiring power. She obviously suspects he did it or she wouldn't have brought it up when she found him. Now where would she get the idea that her husband would chop down a bunch of kids? Oh that's right, the scene in Attack of the Clones where Anakin says he killed a bunch of kids is foreshadowing for another massacre that happens later at the Jedi Temple.

In other words, she knew he did it but loved him anyway and thought she could save him. This is an example of what is known as a tragic flaw.

Heathcliffe claims another victim.

[Havok]

Damnit. Seriously why does Yoda instantly dub the obvious Galactic CIVIL WAR OF SECESSION the fucking Clone Wars?

[Formless]

Damnit. Seriously why does Yoda instantly dub the obvious Galactic CIVIL WAR OF SECESSION the fucking Clone Wars?

Blatant fanservice? But then, see my theory about AoTC existing to justify a throwaway line vis. ANH.

[Havok]

Damnit. Seriously why does Yoda instantly dub the obvious Galactic CIVIL WAR OF SECESSION the fucking Clone Wars?

Blatant fanservice? But then, see my theory about AoTC existing to justify a throwaway line vis. ANH.

I don't think Luke's father fighting in the Clone Wars is really a throw away line it is just why should we believe that about Anakin when Ben lied about everything else?

[Formless]

When ANH was filmed they didn't know that there would be a sequel, so I think calling it a throwaway line is accurate.

[Shroom Man 777]

re: stupid jedi and imaginary sword techniques

If your weapon can deflect blaster fire and protect you, wouldn't it make more sense to hold the sword towards the direction of incoming enemy fire rather than holding it overhead like what the amateur sword guys did? Unless the Geneosians and battle droids were up in the sky, shooting DOWN at the Jedi who'd have to hold their swords UP or something.

[Srelex]

re: stupid jedi and imaginary sword techniques

If your weapon can deflect blaster fire and protect you, wouldn't it make more sense to hold the sword towards the direction of incoming enemy fire rather than holding it overhead like what the amateur sword guys did? Unless the Geneosians and battle droids were up in the sky, shooting DOWN at the Jedi who'd have to hold their swords UP or something.

Well, the Geos can fly.

[adam_grif]

Well, the Geos can fly.

Don't they use those unblockable sonic weapon thingies? What good would holding your blade in the air do against that? We never see any actual blaster fire come from above them.

[Shroom Man 777]

A lightsaber blade presents a tiny surface area, thus it can't block the sonic weapon. But a lightsaber blade's effectiveness against the sonic weapon's wide-"beam" can be increased if one twirls around the lightsaber around in the air overhead, while ignoring incoming blaster coming from in front of you, like a silly amateur swordfighter? Because that's a proper technique for wielding a purely fanciful weapon and the right way grab a lightsabre as taught by the school or training manual for this.

[stormthebeaches]

In both stories a woman refuses to believe the obvious: the man she loves is a murderer who craves power.

Difference is that Micheal denies him murders whilst Anakin openly admits to slaughtering innocent women and children. Besides, there is a big difference between killing a police officer and killing a large number of children.

Until she has the abortion and brags about it, she does in fact come across as a doormat. She knows early on that her husband is part of a mob family, is wanted for killing a police officer, and watches as his own sister accuses him (rightly) of killing her husband. Yet she marries him and stays with him until near the end of the next film.

There is a huge difference between killing a corrupt police officer and killing a large number of children. Besides, Micheal denies killing the brother in law to her face, whilst Anakin openly admits to slaughtering children.

When Obi-Wan tells Padme that Anakin just killed the kids in the Temple, what is Padme's reaction? Does she sit and wait for Anakin to return like she said she would? Why... no! She runs off to find him herself and tries to convince him to run away with her and forget about acquiring power. She obviously suspects he did it or she wouldn't have brought it up when she found him. Now where would she get the idea that her husband would chop down a bunch of kids? Oh that's right, the scene in Attack of the Clones where Anakin says he killed a bunch of kids is foreshadowing for another massacre that happens later at the Jedi Temple.

Funny since Padme denies that Anakin would kill younglings when she first heard of it. It didn't bother her in this film yet it does in the sequel. Character inconsistency?

[Eleas]

What a stunning rebuttal!

I thought

Unlikely at best. But by all means, do keep howling like a toddler demanding more candy. Me, I'll only consider the possibility of you having an actual mind once you give evidence to that effect, and given your demonstrated idiocy and trollish behaviour, that moment is still far away.

But that's okay, kid; there's hope for you yet. From what I recall, puberty is the great equalizer. If you only hold out until then, you should be fine.

[Elfdart]

In both stories a woman refuses to believe the obvious: the man she loves is a murderer who craves power.

Difference is that Micheal denies him murders whilst Anakin openly admits to slaughtering innocent women and children. Besides, there is a big difference between killing a police officer and killing a large number of children.

Sure is. One was carried out in a fit of grief-stricken rage while the other was a planned, cold-blooded assassination.

When Obi-Wan tells Padme that Anakin just killed the kids in the Temple, what is Padme's reaction? Does she sit and wait for Anakin to return like she said she would? Why... no! She runs off to find him herself and tries to convince him to run away with her and forget about acquiring power. She obviously suspects he did it or she wouldn't have brought it up when she found him. Now where would she get the idea that her husband would chop down a bunch of kids? Oh that's right, the scene in Attack of the Clones where Anakin says he killed a bunch of kids is foreshadowing for another massacre that happens later at the Jedi Temple.

Funny since Padme denies that Anakin would kill younglings when she first heard of it.

Are you really this retarded? She's lying to cover for her husband because she knows Obi-Wan is going to try to kill him.

It didn't bother her in this film yet it does in the sequel.

I realize Natalie Portman is a very overrated actress, and Star Wars isn't exactly Tennessee Williams when it comes to dialogue, but it's obvious to anyone watching the movie that Padme is shocked with disbelief at what Anakin tells her.

Character inconsistency?

No, just stupidity on your part.

Unlikely at best. But by all means, do keep howling like a toddler demanding more candy. Me, I'll only consider the possibility of you having an actual mind once you give evidence to that effect, and given your demonstrated idiocy and trollish behaviour, that moment is still far away.

But that's okay, kid; there's hope for you yet. From what I recall, puberty is the great equalizer. If you only hold out until then, you should be fine.

What? No rebuttal?

Concession accepted.

[stormthebeaches]

Sure is. One was carried out in a fit of grief-stricken rage while the other was a planned, cold-blooded assassination.

Let me say this again. Micheal killed a corrupt police officer. Not a good cop, a cop who was taking bribes from rival gangsters. Anakin killed a large number of CHILDREN.

Are you really this retarded? She's lying to cover for her husband because she knows Obi-Wan is going to try to kill him.

She even asks Anakin if the stories of him killing younglings are true. It is clear that she doesn't believe Obi-Wan for some reason. Even if she does and she is lying to Obi-Wan, it is still quite shocking that she would try to defend someone who has gone on a second mass child murdering spree. This wouldn't be so bad if she wasn't portrayed as a paragon of morality and virtue.

I realize Natalie Portman is a very overrated actress, and Star Wars isn't exactly Tennessee Williams when it comes to dialogue, but it's obvious to anyone watching the movie that Padme is shocked with disbelief at what Anakin tells her.

She listens to Anakin's confession with a complete blank face and then calmly says "To be angry is to be human". Then she marries him at the end of the film. It doesn't seem that she is at all bothered by his mass murdering spree.

No, just stupidity on your part.

Nope, character inconsistency.

[Molyneux]

I'm as avid a prequel hater as anyone you'll ever meet, but I must confess that I've grown to love the LAAT. In fact, I love it so much, I'll be happy to reuse it when (not if) I somehow strike it rich and buy the rights to Star Wars away from Lucasfilm so I can finally make episodes 1-3 & 6-9 my way.

I'll even hire Elfdart as a consulting producer just so I can have someone tell me what a dick I am the whole time.

Wholeheartedly agreed; something about the design of that ship just clicks with me. It looks and feels like a combat-ready workhorse.

[Eleas]

What? No rebuttal?

Well, troll-boy, that would require you to have advanced an argument, wouldn't it?

Concession accepted.

Oh, the hubris.

[Anguirus]

I'm as avid a prequel hater as anyone you'll ever meet, but I must confess that I've grown to love the LAAT. In fact, I love it so much, I'll be happy to reuse it when (not if) I somehow strike it rich and buy the rights to Star Wars away from Lucasfilm so I can finally make episodes 1-3 & 6-9 my way.

I'll even hire Elfdart as a consulting producer just so I can have someone tell me what a dick I am the whole time.

Wholeheartedly agreed; something about the design of that ship just clicks with me. It looks and feels like a combat-ready workhorse.

I heard somewhere (Lucas on the DVD commentary?) that the LAAT was designed to be the "X-Wing of the prequels." I think they just hit that design out of the park. Pretty much every ship in the OT makes me go, "I want one." In the PT, it's just the ships that were most clearly inspired by the OT...and the LAAT.

The only thing that bugs me about it is how unforgivably lazy designers turned it into a space vehicle for the Clone Wars show, and the retcon is not that it's a similar looking spaceship (its doors are different) but in fact an LAAT (what does the "L" stand for, gentlemen?) It's got great open holes in it, it's as space-capable as an actual Hind helicopter. (MAGIC FORCEFIELDS! Cause those don't use energy and can't fail!)

[Illuminatus Primus]

Then I hope you stay away from the Godfather movies because Kaye sticks with Michael Corleone when she knows he's a mobster and after she finds out he had just killed his own brother-in-law and a bunch of other people while attending the christening of his own nephew (the son of the man he had strangled). She's still loyal to him in the second movie until it's almost over. At that point she aborts his son and tells him, he calls her a cunt, beats her up and then kills his own brother. Surely she would have nothing to do with such a brute, right? But in the third movie, there she is by Michael's side once again.

But then, what do Mario Puzo and Francis Coppola know about story and characters?

The end of The Godfather is the culmination of the "fall" of Michael Corleone. After which point being a bloodthirsted right bastard is what he's all about as a character. Anakin is supposed to still be somewhat admirable and hasn't completely "fallen" yet in AOTC. It would be like Michael killing all those people at 1 hour 20 min and it be like, "Well...he's not that bad yet."

[Molyneux]

I'm as avid a prequel hater as anyone you'll ever meet, but I must confess that I've grown to love the LAAT. In fact, I love it so much, I'll be happy to reuse it when (not if) I somehow strike it rich and buy the rights to Star Wars away from Lucasfilm so I can finally make episodes 1-3 & 6-9 my way.

I'll even hire Elfdart as a consulting producer just so I can have someone tell me what a dick I am the whole time.

Wholeheartedly agreed; something about the design of that ship just clicks with me. It looks and feels like a combat-ready workhorse.

I heard somewhere (Lucas on the DVD commentary?) that the LAAT was designed to be the "X-Wing of the prequels." I think they just hit that design out of the park. Pretty much every ship in the OT makes me go, "I want one." In the PT, it's just the ships that were most clearly inspired by the OT...and the LAAT.

The only thing that bugs me about it is how unforgivably lazy designers turned it into a space vehicle for the Clone Wars show, and the retcon is not that it's a similar looking spaceship (its doors are different) but in fact an LAAT (what does the "L" stand for, gentlemen?) It's got great open holes in it, it's as space-capable as an actual Hind helicopter. (MAGIC FORCEFIELDS! Cause those don't use energy and can't fail!)

Ugh...
Please tell me that that's just the CGI show, and not the Tartakovsky clips?

[Galvatron]

It's in the Tartakovsky cartoon, but I don't think they opened their doors until after they hit atmosphere.

[Srelex]

One could imagine that they've only got a limited operating time out of an atmosphere.

On a side note, is it me, or are those Acclamators releasing more gunships than could possibly fit inside?

[Galvatron]

On a side note, is it me, or are those Acclamators releasing more gunships than could possibly fit inside?

It's not just you.