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Victorian police are racist? Say it ain't so

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Some of my cops are racist - police chief
From: AAP March 16, 2010 12:00PM

VICTORIA'S police chief admits there is racism in his force, after an explosive report accused his officers of taunting and bashing African youth.

But Chief Commissioner Simon Overland insists the racist element in Victoria Police is not stronger than in the general public and he is working hard to stamp out such attitudes.

Police officers are accused of labelling young African men "monkey" and "black c..t", taking photographs of them gathered on the streets for intelligence purposes and, in one case, taking off their uniforms to bash black men in a public park.

He vowed that if the bashing allegation, contained in a report from Springvale Monash Legal Service, was true, those involved would be investigated and charged.

"Racist attitudes held by members of Victoria Police - that is not okay," he said.

"Acting on those racial attitudes is clearly not okay and where we find it people can expect that I will deal with them in the strongest possible terms."

Mr Overland said his message that racism is unacceptable was getting through to most officers.

"The vast majority of my staff actually understand that message all too well and in fact not only understand it, they are not racist," he said.

"They absolutely understand their responsibilities to the community."

Mr Overland said new police powers to randomly search people for weapons in public places helped officers' relationships with ethnic communities.

"It means we can designate areas and people coming into those areas can be searched without cause," he said.

"I think that's helpful because it means there can be no suggestion that we are actually racially profiling people or targeting people in an indiscriminate way.

"We will be designating those areas on the basis of ... information that we have that says knives are carried in those areas."

Mr Overland said the force was examining its policies in an effort to broaden the base from within which it recruits, including from African communities.

He said it was unfair the legal service had issued a media release containing elements of the allegations on yesterday but was holding back the full report until Thursday.

"If they are going to make quite damning statements about Victoria Police I think it's only proper that we be given fair warning and fair notice and an adequate opportunity to respond."
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AFRICAN youths have been racially targeted, taunted and bashed by police across Melbourne, according to an explosive report.

Victoria Police officers are accused of labelling young African men "monkey" and "black c---", taking photographs of them gathered on the streets for intelligence purposes and, in one case, taking off their uniforms to bash black men in a public park.

Police routinely target young Africans by repeatedly arresting and questioning them about crimes, the report by a legal service says, and demand youths give their names and addresses to officers several times each day.

When young Africans complain, front-line officers increase random searches and questioning, the report says.

"It's horrible, humiliating," says Aran Brown, an 18-year-old African refugee who says he has experienced discrimination in Melbourne.


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Police have randomly pulled him off the street and questioned him about break-ins and drug activity, he says, so he now runs away when he sees an officer.

The last time he ran, a police officer followed him.

"He started chasing me and when he caught up to me he said: 'Wogs are faster than niggers'," the teenager told AAP near his home in a high-rise housing commission flat in Flemington on Monday.

"If a cop can say that to me, who can I complain to? What do you do when it's the police who are harassing you?"

Mr Brown's account of his experiences match those compiled for the damning 35-page report, to be released to the public on Thursday.

Written by the Springvale Monash Legal Service, the report focuses on Melbourne suburbs with high African populations - Flemington, Dandenong and Braybrook.

Thirty young Africans and eight community workers were interviewed for the report, which also compiled information gathered from community service workers over the past 15 months.

Helen Yandell, the legal service's director, says it took months to convince African youths to come forward with their stories. Many have lost faith in the police force and fear retribution, she says.

"We're talking about three major areas where young people live," she told AAP.

"It, therefore, has to be looked at as a systematic failure rather than the actions of a few bad cops."

In one 2009 incident included in the report, police asked a group of young Africans to leave a public space, she said.

The group refused. The officers eventually left, but allegedly returned later, but they were not wearing their uniforms and began assaulting them, the report said.

Police must admit there is a racist element among its ranks, she said.

A Victoria Police statement said the force was "disappointed" by the allegations.

The statement says officers work tirelessly to build relationships and trust among African communities.

"Victoria Police expects its members to take a fair and professional approach when policing the community," the statement says.

"Our key focus is on crime, not specific cultural groups. We have various checks and balances in place to ensure the conduct of our members is appropriate."

The report will recommend that officers are trained in de-escalating conflict and call for an improved complaints procedure so Africans can come forward without fear of retribution.

Berhan Ahmed, chairman of the African Think Tank, said the situation had improved since 2007 when Sudanese refugee Liep Gony was fatally bashed in Noble Park.

"It was really bad back then. But we've since been working to improve our relationship," he said.

"I can't say we've done everything, but without a doubt there has been progress."
That Indian cartoon with the police officer dressed in a Ku Klux Klan uniform saying there is no racism just looked more accurate. Will the Indian newspaper which published that satirical cartoon get an apology now that the chief has actually admitted there is racism?

No doubt we will have people whining that its no worse than the general community, until you release that you aren't comparing it to a very high standard in the first place.
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*picks up head off desk* What, sorry? What's happening? Racist police? Yeah. Shocker. Turns out that when the vast majority of the population are racist, that carries over into people's jobs. I'm just going to go back to trying to ignore the fact I live in a septic hate filled wasteland surrounded by fuckheads from every class and background all who think that everyone else is inferior and has no right to be in this country.
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But Chief Commissioner Simon Overland insists the racist element in Victoria Police is not stronger than in the general public
This statement scares me. If bashings and racist remarks are the norm in the general public, then we're pretty screwed.
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I'd love to say that it's not the norm in the general public, but mainly with bogans. But that'd be a lie, because every fucking day I hear people who really should fucking well know better coming out with the most absurdly racist remarks and it seems that no one but me ever calls them on it. They mightn't be the ones who go out and bash some Indians or anything like that. But they are the ones who provide an environment where that kind of violence and behaviour, though not condoned (yet) is certainly not frowned upon.
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Newsflash, racism is every where and in every police department.
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Yeah but its especially funny given the Victorian police department, and government officials got offended by an Indian cartoon satirising it, only for a complete turnabout.
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weemadando wrote:*picks up head off desk* What, sorry? What's happening? Racist police? Yeah. Shocker. Turns out that when the vast majority of the population are racist, that carries over into people's jobs. I'm just going to go back to trying to ignore the fact I live in a septic hate filled wasteland surrounded by fuckheads from every class and background all who think that everyone else is inferior and has no right to be in this country.
Kudos to the Australian PR bureau, then. It never would have occurred to me Victoria's problems would be that bad.

Its possible the nature of policing attracts and retains more racists than some other occupations, though. The brotherhood aspect gives the average officer more reasons to overlook the failings of a a fellow officer, the way one tends to overlook faults in individual friends of a peer group.

No-one got hurt, either, which means its not a militant racist attitude.
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Except for the guys who got beaten.
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Stark wrote:Next we'll hear that the Victorian police department is riddled with corruption.
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loomer wrote:Except for the guys who got beaten.
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Stofsk wrote:
Stark wrote:Next we'll hear that the Victorian police department is riddled with corruption.
Say it ain't so.
I was going to make a comment, but next to you, I'm really not qualified for snark.
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Stark wrote:Next we'll hear that the Victorian police department is riddled with corruption.
The Queensland Police are far far far worse. They evolved into the most corrupt police force in Australia when they made a deal with Joh Bjelke-Petersen. They still are the most corrupt to this day. Thanks Joh! (Can you believe that this corrupt douche got a state funeral? I guess it's okay to be shamelessly corrupt as long as you are conservative.)

The Victorians need something like the Wood Royal Commission (the commission New South Wales had to clean up it's force).
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Are you saying that using the Queensland police commissioner to pickup your payoffs indicates a serious problem? :shock:
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bobalot wrote:
Stark wrote:Next we'll hear that the Victorian police department is riddled with corruption.
The Queensland Police are far far far worse. They evolved into the most corrupt police force in Australia when they made a deal with Joh Bjelke-Petersen. They still are the most corrupt to this day. Thanks Joh! (Can you believe that this corrupt douche got a state funeral? I guess it's okay to be shamelessly corrupt as long as you are conservative.)

The Victorians need something like the Wood Royal Commission (the commission New South Wales had to clean up it's force).
We'd rather spend the millions of dollars needed for a Royal Commission to determine such breath-takingly obvious fucking things like 'if you live in the bush, you run the risk of dying in a fucking bushfire'.

(I know that there's more to the Black Saturday Royal Commission than that, but... still)

PS The Office of Police Integrity is doing its job lol

Even though the high profile corruption/perjury case against former Police Union secretary Paul Mullet and former assistant commissioner Noel Ashby have fallen apart.
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Stark wrote:Are you saying that using the Queensland police commissioner to pickup your payoffs indicates a serious problem? :shock:
errrr...... perhaps? :?

Remember that Aboriginal they had in custody who "accidentally fell over" ruptured his spleen, broke 4 ribs and damaged his liver. The copper got off scot free. I couldn't help but think if that guy was anybody but an aboriginal...

Fuck, even the coroner said in his report that the guy had been repeatedly hit and that was the cause of his death.
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What struck me as I heard Overlander speak (driving past the fish markets on my way home, that may have been the source of the fishy smell about this, I don't know) firstly was what sort of drongo lets himself get involved in press commentary about a report that he had not even at that time read. Which assumes his advisers had not read it either or had not provided a brief to him.

Secondly, to get all hot and bothered about an alleged report (it exists when released, for all intents and purposes) from the community legal types is a gross, hysterical overreaction. A problem when spin is one's first resort. Why you dudes down south took on Nixon still bewilders many of us north of the border who work with police. If the offer is still open then we have large numbers of incompetent police up here to send down the Hume to you.
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Stark wrote:Are you saying that using the Queensland police commissioner to pickup your payoffs indicates a serious problem? :shock:
What about when the Police Commissioner passes on confidential police investigation details to members of the gov't who the investigations pertained to? And where the head of gov't pensions out the commissioner to get him out of the way and shut up before he can testify against them?

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bobalot wrote: The Queensland Police are far far far worse. They evolved into the most corrupt police force in Australia when they made a deal with Joh Bjelke-Petersen. They still are the most corrupt to this day. Thanks Joh! (Can you believe that this corrupt douche got a state funeral? I guess it's okay to be shamelessly corrupt as long as you are conservative.)
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Stuart Mackey wrote:
bobalot wrote: The Queensland Police are far far far worse. They evolved into the most corrupt police force in Australia when they made a deal with Joh Bjelke-Petersen. They still are the most corrupt to this day. Thanks Joh! (Can you believe that this corrupt douche got a state funeral? I guess it's okay to be shamelessly corrupt as long as you are conservative.)
OH MAN the QLD police are not corrupt [anymore lol] turns out the Fitzgerald inquiry more or less shut down the organised corruption [not low level corruption though ie mr copper took that drug dealers pocket cash then punched him]. Turns out the police commissioner loosing his knighthood scared people into submission [kinda lol]
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