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Boy Scouts accused of sex abuse cover-up
‘Perversion files’ kept secret by Scouts due to ‘confidential information’

PORTLAND, Ore. - The Boy Scouts of America has long kept an extensive archive of secret documents that chronicle the sexual abuse of young boys by Scout leaders over the years.

The "perversion files," a nickname the Boy Scouts are said to have used for the documents, have rarely been seen by the public, but that could all change in the coming weeks in an Oregon courtroom.

The lawyer for a man who was molested in the 1980s by a Scout leader has obtained about 1,000 Boy Scouts sex files and is expected to release some of them at a trial that began Wednesday.

The lawyer says the files show how the Boy Scouts have covered up abuse for decades.

The trial is significant because the files could offer a rare window into how the Boy Scouts have responded to sex abuse by Scout leaders.

The only other time the documents are believed to have been presented at a trial was in the 1980s in Virginia.

At the start of the Oregon trial, attorney Kelly Clark recited the Boy Scout oath and the promise to obey Scout law to be "trustworthy." Then he presented six boxes of documents that he said will show "how the Boy Scouts of America broke that oath."

He held up file folder after file folder he said contained reports of abuse from around the country, telling the jury the efforts to keep them secret may have actually set back efforts to prevent child abuse nationally.

"The Boy Scouts of America ignored clear warning signs that Boy Scouts were being abused," Clark said.

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Charles Smith, attorney for the national Boy Scouts, said in his own opening statement the files were kept under wraps because they "were replete with confidential information."

Smith told the jury the files helped national scouting leaders weed out sex offenders, especially repeat offenders who may have changed names or moved in order to join another local scouting organization.

"They were trying to do the right thing by trying to track these folks," Smith said.

Clark is seeking $14 million in damages on behalf of a 37-year-old man who was sexually molested in the early 1980s in Portland by an assistant Scoutmaster, Timur Dykes.

Clark said the victim suffered mental health problems, bad grades in school, drug use, anxiety, difficulty maintaining relationships and lost several jobs over the years because of the abuse.

Dykes was convicted three times between 1983 and 1994 of sexually abusing boys, most of them Scouts.

Although there have been dozens of lawsuits against the organization over sex abuse allegations, judges for the most part have either denied requests for the files or the lawsuits have been settled before they went to trial.

The Boy Scouts had fought to keep the files being used in the Portland trial confidential. But they lost a pretrial legal battle when the Oregon Supreme Court rejected their argument that opening the files could damage the lives and reputations of people not a party to the lawsuit.

The lawsuit also named the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because the Mormons acted as a charter organization, or sponsor, for the local Boy Scouts troop that included the victim. But the church has settled its portion of the case.

The Portland trial comes as the Boy Scouts are marking their 100th anniversary.

"They spent a century building the Boy Scout brand," said Patrick Boyle, author of a book about sex abuse in the Boy Scouts. "It's one of the most respected organizations in the world."

The trial "can only erode what they have been doing for 100 years," he said.

The Portland case centers on whether the Boy Scouts of America did enough to protect boys from Dykes.

The Mormon bishop who also served as head of the Scout troop, Gordon McEwen, confronted Dykes after receiving a report of abuse by the mother of one boy in the troop in January 1983.

In a video deposition played for the jury, the bishop said Dykes admitted abusing 17 boys.

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But McEwen said he contacted the parents of all 17 boys and the boys themselves, and none would confirm any abuse.

Dykes was arrested in 1983 and pleaded guilty to attempted sexual abuse, received probation and was ordered to stay away from children.

Clark told the jury Dykes continued with his scouting activities until he was arrested in July 1984 during a routine traffic stop while he was driving a van full of Scouts on a camping trip.

A spokesman for the Boy Scouts of America at its headquarters in Irving, Texas, said in a statement the organization cannot comment on details of the case. But it has worked hard on awareness and prevention efforts, including background checks.

"Unfortunately, child abuse is a societal problem and there is no fail-safe method for screening out abusers," Deron Smith said.

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This is just despicable but not surprising given that the BSA is just another branch of the Mormon Church. As if not allowing homosexual and atheist members and leaders wasn't bad enough, we now have confirmed cases of child abuse cover ups spanning decades. But I'm sure that this will mean the pulling of federal, state, and local funds and special privileges (such as using facilities for free and being allowed to recruit in schools) immediately. I'll start holding my breath... Now!
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I don't disagree on the rest, but ...
Flagg wrote:the BSA is just another branch of the Mormon Church.
what the fuck are you talking about? The BSA is an independent organization, not some wing of the LDSers. The LDS charter lots of scout troops, but that hardly makes them a controlling interest.
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This is just despicable but not surprising given that the BSA is just another branch of the Mormon Church.
*FWEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!* Flag on the play! Random wild speculation, fifteen yard penalty! Where the FUCK did you get that idea? The BSA was originally combined with the YMCA at the beginning of the 20th century, which HATED the mormons.

There's a lot of scout troops that are Mormon, but saying the BSA is just another branch of the LDS church is like saying the Black Panthers are just another branch of the ACLU. In this case the mormons were the LOCAL sponsor for the scout troops. Troops in the US are also sponsored by catholic, presbyterian, pentacostal, Jewish, Hindu, and Zoroastrian churches.
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Surlethe wrote:I don't disagree on the rest, but ...
Flagg wrote:the BSA is just another branch of the Mormon Church.
what the fuck are you talking about? The BSA is an independent organization, not some wing of the LDSers. The LDS charter lots of scout troops, but that hardly makes them a controlling interest.
As a Mormon, and a Boy Scout leader, I'm stumped as to how the BSA is a branch of the LDS church. The Church enrolls every single young man in the church age 11-18 in the BSA as part of their youth program. The church pays the registration fees out-of-pocket and through donations from the congregation. This seems like an instance where the local troop sponsored by the church - which in many areas is the only organization sponsoring a troop- had a leader with problems that was later removed. None of the parents confirmed reports of abuse but he was arrested shortly thereafter. The article doesn't mention whether the leader continued in scouting with the original troop or moved to another area but in this case it is the onus of the BSA (an independent organization, not an arm of the LDS church) to run background checks on the leaders.

It seems like this thread title is misleading since the LDS church didn't cover up any abuse but rather the BSA has held confidential files confidential. In fact, it states in the article:
The lawsuit also named the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because the Mormons acted as a charter organization, or sponsor, for the local Boy Scouts troop that included the victim. But the church has settled its portion of the case.
So I'm not seeing a "Mormon Church Cover-Up" anywhere but in the sensational thread title.
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Cue Catholic apologists using this as a defense of there own sexual abuse in 5... 4... 3...

Yes I have heard that lined used and my response was "not charitable."
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(Smacks Flagg with a clue stick)

The LSD + BSA are completely independent organizations. They interact because the Boy Scout troops need to meet somewhere.

Now, that being said.

Is anyone surprised by any organization involved with children covering up sexual abuse?

I mean, come on. Think about it. Those are the type of things that attract the sexual-predator type.

Combine that with even the accusation of sexual misconduct can ruin someone (innocent or not), it's not surprising at all.

It's like the recent Toyata problems. Once reported, the flood gates open, and then you have people trying to get in on it with fraudulent claims.

Then, you'd have Scout Masters leaving in fear of being accused (rightfully or not.) Very rapidly, the organization would be torn apart. Would you stick around in such an environment? I know I wouldn't. I'd either finish off the year (and be very, very careful in my interactions with the scouts and families thereof), and then bugger off.

Either that, or I'd be investing in video surviallence equipment, and making sure parents know I'm taping their kids for legal purposes during any situtation where I'd be alone with them.

Come to think of it, this is probably why my Cub-Scout leaders always slept in another room from us. One that was locked so we couldn't 'sneak in to play jokes'. Come to think of it, it might have had a seperate bathroom too.
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I think the actions BSA took based on the information they had will probably frame what happened here. If they took NO appropriate action, possibly to preserve their image and enrollment, than they are as screwed as the catholic church has been. if they reported to the appropriate authorities and conducted a thorough investigation I wouldn't necessarily consider it a cover up any more than i would say the Red Cross is "Covering up" participants who don't pass the donor screens.

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Surlethe wrote:I don't disagree on the rest, but ...
Flagg wrote:the BSA is just another branch of the Mormon Church.
what the fuck are you talking about? The BSA is an independent organization, not some wing of the LDSers. The LDS charter lots of scout troops, but that hardly makes them a controlling interest.

Actually it kinda does, because they charter many of the troops nation wide, and the scout leaders are drawn from their churches. The policy of the BSA toward gays and atheists was unwritten before the mormons basically took over. They didnt bother doing anything. No gays were out of the closet and atheists were few and far between. When the mormons took over, that changed. They took over due to high membership, rigorous fund raising, and a disproportionate number of seats on the national advisory council for the BSA

Are they a "branch" of the mormon church? No. But the mormon church has a lot of control over policy, moreso than they should.

It is also worth noting that the catholic church also exerts a lot of influence.
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Solauren wrote:Come to think of it, this is probably why my Cub-Scout leaders always slept in another room from us. One that was locked so we couldn't 'sneak in to play jokes'. Come to think of it, it might have had a separate bathroom too.
There's a cardinal tenet of scout leaders called "Two-deep leadership" (under the circumstances, a potentially unfortunate name) where you cannot have any sort of scouting activity without two adult leaders present. That's campouts, scout meetings, fundraisers, etc. They do a lot to keep things on the up-and-up and I'm very curious to find out how this leader continued to work w/ scouts after accusations and arrests.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Surlethe wrote:I don't disagree on the rest, but ...
Flagg wrote:the BSA is just another branch of the Mormon Church.
what the fuck are you talking about? The BSA is an independent organization, not some wing of the LDSers. The LDS charter lots of scout troops, but that hardly makes them a controlling interest.

Actually it kinda does, because they charter many of the troops nation wide, and the scout leaders are drawn from their churches. The policy of the BSA toward gays and atheists was unwritten before the mormons basically took over. They didnt bother doing anything. No gays were out of the closet and atheists were few and far between. When the mormons took over, that changed. They took over due to high membership, rigorous fund raising, and a disproportionate number of seats on the national advisory council for the BSA

Are they a "branch" of the mormon church? No. But the mormon church has a lot of control over policy, moreso than they should.

It is also worth noting that the catholic church also exerts a lot of influence.

Bingo. Though looking back, "branch of the LDS" was hyperbole on my part, so I do apologize for that. It's just that in my experience in scounting in FL things changed drastically for the worse when Mormons showed up on the local and state council upon which time I left of my own accord before being forced out as being atheist.
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I used to be in the Boy Scouts, but I didn't like it very much. Even if I had liked it, I probably wouldn't have remained in it for very long, since I never believed in God.
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Vastatosaurus Rex wrote:I used to be in the Boy Scouts, but I didn't like it very much. Even if I had liked it, I probably wouldn't have remained in it for very long, since I never believed in God.
I was active in the boy scouts for about eight years, and that never came up once even though we met in the basement of a church. I sure as hell never thought god existed, it was about having fun and learning skills.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
Vastatosaurus Rex wrote:I used to be in the Boy Scouts, but I didn't like it very much. Even if I had liked it, I probably wouldn't have remained in it for very long, since I never believed in God.
I was active in the boy scouts for about eight years, and that never came up once even though we met in the basement of a church. I sure as hell never thought god existed, it was about having fun and learning skills.
I have friends in non-mormon troops where that is the case. In mine growing up, not so much. Mormon troop. Being the non-mormon in the group set me up for some really special levels of persecution.
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I'm sure being homosexual didn't help, either.
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Broomstick wrote:I'm sure being homosexual didn't help, either.
Not at all. But when I was 12 it was the non-mormon thing
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Interesting. I'm an Eagle Scout, and was in the Scouts basically from the earliest joining age until I was 18 (the Scouts are obviously quite active in highly LDS areas, and mine was an LDS-sponsored troop). I don't remember the religious issue ever coming up, even though by the time I was 15-16, I never attended church. My experience mostly matched that of Sea Skimmer's.

We also had a mixed-religious (but mostly Mormon) troop when we did the 2001 National Jambouree, with one of the kids' religion being listed as "No religious preference".
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My troop was all over the place. We met at a school, at an Armenian church, a baptist church, and a presbyterian church over a 7-year period. They only get religious so much as the scout oath pledges you will do your best to do your duty to God and country. Of course, its about as significant the the day-to-day activities of scouting as the pledge of allegiance.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: I have friends in non-mormon troops where that is the case. In mine growing up, not so much. Mormon troop. Being the non-mormon in the group set me up for some really special levels of persecution.
Well that’s how it goes, the Boy Scouts are primarily a local organization, how it works will be governed by the local population and who runs specific troops. The people in charge at the national level really only provide guidance and organization for larger events. It can be as religious or not religious as it wants to be. My troops certainly wasn’t, because about a third of the people were Jewish and one was Muslim with the majority some kind of Christians or Quaker.
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Well when I first joined my troop at 12, we had a pretty good mix of Christian denominations, but the religious stuff really never came up. We met in an American Legion hall and spent most meetings planning future events, going over some bullshit, and then playing shit like football and red rover outside in a field. The first scoutmaster was a retired NYC cop with a foul mouth and an even fouler disposition towards bullshit. I loved him. Of course he was a drunken Irish bastard and eventually the parents council got tired of him and ushered him off once his foster kids got a bit old enough.

Then one of the cooler parents took over and he liked me especially, even taking my side when I told a camp counselor to go fuck himself with a canoe oar (his only problem was that I said it, when he could have done it himself) and generally his time was awesome. Naturally the parents council hated him, so they sidelined him. (Starting to see a pattern?)

The last Scoutmaster I had was a pretty cool guy who was liberal as hell and probably a closet atheist. But he had no real backbone and by that point was just a figurehead since the parents council was almost totally Mormon at that point and had taken total control of the troop. And they HATED me. That cannot be stated enough. It was to the point where for some reason anything bad that happened was passed around to other parents as if I was secretly responsible for all of them. Basically if some other kids did something bad or stupid it got lumped on me, even after they would confront, blame me for it, and then get beaten down by a 15 year old smartass with incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

But they were morally bankrupt (as are most religious types) themselves, as they lied and cheated to hold me back from advancing as much as they possibly could. I remember one camping trip where on the first day I had stepped into a shallow hole in the ground twisting my ankle (and breaking 3 toes I later found out), which basically made it pretty hard for me to get around very fast. That didn't stop them from blaming me for stealing a guys eggs and breaking them over his tent on the other side of camp then running at full sprint back to my tent, jumping in, and pretending I was sleeping, as it was 2 minutes after this happened that I was awakened and forced to "explain myself". I did so as sarcastically as possible (for a 15 year old asshole like me it was off the fucking charts) pointing out that half the camp was awake, the only person who claimed it was me was someone who hated me, and the 3 people in my tent weren't woken up when I would have had to jump back in the tent to manage to be in there and pretending to sleep. Of course that didn't stop them from spreading the rumor around to other parents that I had done it (even after another kid finally admitted it was him).

Then, the last straw for me was the rigged vote. Yes, I know the pain that Al Gore feels as I had a vote stolen from me, as well. It was time to vote for senior patrol leader (basically the highest position within the troop that a scout could get to, and they basically just worked with the other officials to plan trips, fundraisers, and shit like that). Being a patrol leader myself (I turned the worst patrol in the troop into the best patrol in the group, surprising myself that I possessed leadership abilities) and able to run, I decided to. I was sick of the parents council having all the sway (and abusing fundraisers like using chocolate sales revenue for paying the bulk of their kids summer camp costs, rather than distributing them evenly like we were told would happen otherwise I wouldn't have wasted several weekends on that bullshit) and the troop leader having none, so I figured why not give him some backup even though there wasn't a whole lot more I could do other than moral support?

So I ran for the post. The other guy had a parent on the council and was favorite to win. So instead of promising all that same bullshit he did yet had no control over I did the old "telling the truth" thing. I said I'd use what pull I had to more fairly distribute fundraiser funds to either the neediest kids or evenly across the troopers going to summer camps. I said I would try to help find some different locations for camping so we weren't going to the same places all the time, or if we were, then we could go to the ones we all liked best, and I said that I'd do my best to support the troops by passing up their feedback to the leadership "Especially the troop leader" *wink* go fuck yourselves parents council *wink*. So they held the vote (all the troopers got a vote), the scout leaders collected the votes and went to count them.

Then they came out, said they had "lost" some of the votes somehow and that they needed to re-vote. Before this vote a bunch of parents went and talked to their kids very sternly and when they left the kids looked confused. They did another vote, went back to count it, and 5 minutes later the winner was announced and it was... The other kid. Shocked, right? I basically took my troop leader to the side and called bullshit on it. He didn't come out and admit it, but the gist of it was that I won and the parents council would have none of it so rather than just use some excuse to boot me from the troop, they rigged the election. Since I knew he was pretty much dickless due to the power structure of that troop I quit.

Then when the court ruled that the BSA could get rid of atheists and gays I sent all my uniforms and merit badges back to scout headquarters in protest along with a bunch of others from around the country.
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Every single Troop I was in growing up met at a Presbyterian Church(except for the two year at Camp Lejeune, which met at a used maintenance building provided by the base) religion never came up. At District get-to gathers the Mormon troops always seemed...off.
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Lonestar wrote:Every single Troop I was in growing up met at a Presbyterian Church(except for the two year at Camp Lejeune, which met at a used maintenance building provided by the base) religion never came up. At District get-to gathers the Mormon troops always seemed...off.

See above. Mormon troops, or those controlled by mormons.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
See above. Mormon troops, or those controlled by mormons.
What was amazing is that there were 4 troops on the base(The Sheds were big enough that there was space for all), but as far as I remember all the Mormon kids of servicemen that were in the BSA joined the troops sponsored by the LDS church off base. Basically driving 30 miles or more for scout meetings instead of less than five for the (secular-ish)troops on base. In VA Beach and San Francisco the troops I was part of were sponsored by Presbyterian Churches, although the extent of interaction with those church personnel was along the lines of "Some Church function is being held on Tuesday so the next weekly meeting is on a Monday" or something. To hear some of these stories about Mormon-sponsored troops baffles me, frankly.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: I have friends in non-mormon troops where that is the case. In mine growing up, not so much. Mormon troop. Being the non-mormon in the group set me up for some really special levels of persecution.
Well that’s how it goes, the Boy Scouts are primarily a local organization, how it works will be governed by the local population and who runs specific troops. The people in charge at the national level really only provide guidance and organization for larger events. It can be as religious or not religious as it wants to be. My troops certainly wasn’t, because about a third of the people were Jewish and one was Muslim with the majority some kind of Christians or Quaker.
I had the opposite, I was a Boy Scout until I was 14, started working towards my Eagle scout status but got kicked out because my Scout Master noticed I always skipped under god when we did the pledge. He called me over from the others and asked if I believed and when I told him no it threw him for a loop.

Two weeks later and the next meeting he had us do the pledge about six times because I left out under god and each time I refused to say it. Then he pretty much confronted me in front of everyone and I repeated my non-belief and he told me there was no room in the scouts for an athesit. He even went so far as to tell the other two Scout leaders in my area so I was done with the scouts from then on because I refused to lie. I had no faith, never had since I was around ten.

And no he's was not a Mormon, he was a Southern Baptist as we met in the basement of a Southern Baptist Church as did the other scout groups.

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Geeze, that's fucking horrible. Even here in my very Catholic country, I don't think I've had much shit from people who knew I was atheist. They seemed to politely ask questions, but fuck off afterwards.

What the hell is up with that kind of confrontationalism?
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The Randall twins of "suing the BSA over the oath" fame were actually in my troop. Really good guys, and they were the main scout leadership, which resulted in my troop having a little friction. We were eventually disbanded, but that could have been due to lack of membership after a lot of us quit.
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