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Article on Obama and Emmanuel.

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At various points in health care reform's long slog through Congress, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has offered President Obama options to settle for more-incremental change. But at each juncture, Obama has persisted in pursuing a comprehensive, big-bang bill.

In an interview with National Journal, Emanuel said he has intermittently provided Obama his assessment of "the equities" in more- and less-ambitious approaches, especially "given everything [else] we're trying to do." He continued, "This is what I'm supposed to do as chief of staff. But he has... always said, 'This is what needs to be done,' and he has said he is willing to pay the political price to get it done."

The grueling health care struggle, now nearing a decisive vote in the House, has filled in a picture of Obama that remained stubbornly unfinished through his first year. Most immediately, it has shattered the image of him as a passionless president, too cool to fully commit to any cause.

Win or lose, Obama has pursued health care reform as tenaciously as any president has pursued any domestic initiative in decades. Health care has now been his presidency's central domestic focus for a full year. That's about as long as it took to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, originally introduced by John F. Kennedy and driven home by Lyndon Johnson. Rarely since World War II has a president devoted so much time, at so much political cost, to shouldering a single priority through Congress. It's reasonable to debate whether Obama should have invested so heavily in health care. But it's difficult to quibble with Emanuel's assessment that once the president placed that bet, "He has shown fortitude, stamina, and strength."

The fight has opened a second window into Obama. The key here is his 2008 campaign assertion that "Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America" more than Richard Nixon or Bill Clinton did. The health care struggle suggests that Obama views changing that trajectory as the ultimate measure of a presidency's success. His aim is to establish a long-term political direction -- one centered on a more activist government that shapes and polices the market to strengthen the foundation for sustainable, broadly shared growth. Everything else -- the legislative tactics, even most individual policies -- is negotiable. He wants to chart the course for the supertanker, not to steer it around each wave or decide which crates are loaded into its hull.

Obama's core health care goals have been to establish the principle that Americans are entitled to insurance and to build a framework for controlling costs by incentivizing providers to work more efficiently. He has been unwavering about that destination but flexible and eclectic in his route. He has cut deals with traditional adversaries, such as the drug industry, and confronted allies to demand an independent Medicare reform commission. But Obama has also waged unconditional war on the insurance industry. He has negotiated and jousted with Senate Republicans. He has deferred (excessively at times) to congressional Democratic leaders but has also muscled them at key moments. He has pursued the liberal priority of expanded coverage through a centrist plan that largely tracks the Republican alternative to Clinton's 1993 proposal.

Yale University political scientist Stephen Skowronek, a shrewd student of the presidency, sees in this complex record evidence that Obama and his team are torn between consensual and confrontational leadership styles. The first, he says, stresses "the progressive reform idea of bringing everybody to the table [for] rational, pragmatic decision-making." The second argues "that you transform politics only through wrenching confrontation." Skowronek believes that the most-consequential presidents, such as Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt, usually start with the first approach and evolve toward the second as they encounter entrenched resistance.

Liberals who consider Obama too conciliatory have speculated that his willingness to use the Senate reconciliation process to force a final vote on health care signals a turn toward consistent confrontation. But it seems more likely that he will continue to seek broad coalitions on some issues (education, energy, immigration) while accepting, even welcoming, greater partisan conflict on others (financial reform). The approaches that Skowronek views as alternatives Obama may consider tools he can wield in different combinations for each challenge. The constant is Obama's determination to turn the supertanker -- and his Reagan-like willingness to bet his party's future on his ability to sell the country on the ambitious course he has set.
I can see how this could be very accurate. It would be right in the Health Reform Bill. Individual fix style, it does have alot of failings. But it's struck a fierce divide between him and the GOP: Should everyone have access, or only some? And perhaps, that's what will be most important. Turn around the basic views. Passion for more is good.. As long as we don't forget that one side has decided to place all their chips in the basket of 'Oppose even the most minor of advances'. And has shown no desire to change.. Yet.
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It pretty much matches what is being rumoured at other sites on the internet.

In general though, I cannot really flaunt Obama or Emmanuel for their tactics on the Health Care bill, seeing as how hard it apparently is to get a majority in the house. In the long run, I think the bipartisanship approach paid off majorly, because the Republicans and the blue dogs now look like obstructionists and like little children.
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This smells of some truth in a whole load of bullshit. Obama wants the big win? Please every speech he's ever given since he became President on most nearly every subject... is when you peel away the framework a basic declaration that he's willing to negotiate.

Meanwhile Rahm has spent the entire Heathcare debate beating up on Progressives and doing his best to try and bully the more liberal wing of the democratic party into if not silence then at least acquiescence. If you want to say "who fought the Republicans" you can't look at our White House. They refuse to ever call anyone out to say "person X is a liar, there are no death panels or person X is a liar we don't fund abortion" or any one of the three dozen other falsehoods that hit the streets while the white house sat by and tried to play peacemaker. Excuse me, Obama tried to play Peacemaker. Rahm as normal was busting heads, as normal they were Liberal/Progressive heads. He does not attack Republicans except by proxy twice removed. Not because he's secretly a republican but because he see his role as keeping the Democrats in line. Not fighting the Republicans, that of course is... umm.. errr... I'm sure they've got someone dedicated to doing that... I dunno maybe Energy Secretary Chu?

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My impression is a bit different. Emmanuel co-authored the Democrat strategy of taking over the house, which amounted to running a lot of blue dogs. Now, he sees those seats as being in danger. Thus, he of course tries to safe a lot of them.

It is not like the progressive wing had the votes to pass Health care in the first place.
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Thanas wrote:My impression is a bit different. Emmanuel co-authored the Democrat strategy of taking over the house
See here's the bullshit factor
Rahm had little to do with the take back the House strategy, in fact he fought Howard Dean's 50 state strategy, his strategy of going after the Republicans EVERYWHERE paid of great dividends with half a dozen upset races and a complete clean sweap of nearly every Republican not in a safe seat.

Rahm Emmanuel gets credit because he was forced to spend money in races the Democrats ended up winning and he believed the had no chance in. But because he was chairmen it became his idea and he got credit. He gets credit for being wrong because he was in charge when Dean's people worked around him to secure victory.
Thanas wrote: , which amounted to running a lot of blue dogs. Now, he sees those seats as being in danger. Thus, he of course tries to safe a lot of them.
Which he did and no question Dean wanted the same thing, he wanted people elected, that's his job but Rahm again had much less faith and his original goals for 2006 was only 12 seats until Dean's efforts forced him to spread the money further to back races Rahm thought had no chance because Dean was launching alternative money raising campaigns to get around him. When polls start showing how well these other democrats were polling he allocated some money towards them.
Thanas wrote: It is not like the progressive wing had the votes to pass Health care in the first place.
There is no Progressive "wing" Maybe a Progressive Squadron or just a Progressive Flight. If you ask me to count of Progressives I can do so on one hand in the Senate and it amounts to sixty members in the House.

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Glenn Greenwald on how the progressives in the US are treated by the White House

He's also written at length about what the Obama White House has done with regard to the progressives, which has been to oppress them every time it looked like something could have gotten done.

To me the OP article looks more like an exercise in polishing Emmanuel's and Obama's reputation than a seriously in depth look at what has been accomplished and how.
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