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DANVILLE — Danville and Lynchburg Tea Party activists mistakenly posted the address of Rep. Tom Perriello’s brother online Monday to invite others to “drop by” Perriello’s home in Ivy and “express their thanks” for his health care vote.

The Washington-based political newspaper Politico reported Monday a Lynchburg Tea Party member posted the address, which he believed to be Perriello’s, on his blog. After seeing the blog, Danville Tea Party Leader Nigel Coleman posted the same address on his Facebook profile, which is not limited to only his Facebook “friends.”
“This is Rep. Thomas Stuart Price Perriello’s home address,” Coleman wrote Monday. “… I ain’t holding back anymore!!”
When Coleman learned the address was actually Perriello’s brother’s — Politico reported he and his wife have four young children — Coleman commented on another blog that the mistake was “collateral damage.”
“Do you mean I posted his brother’s address on my Facebook?” Coleman wrote. “Oh well, collateral damage.”

Coleman has since removed the post on his Facebook page and said Tuesday that his choice of words was “definitely in poor taste.” He said he was not aware of anyone actually visiting the address and said this was not an organized effort by the 5th District tea parties.
“A lot of us who are tea partiers, we communicate through social networks,” Coleman said. “One of the other tea partiers in another group put up an address and said it was Tom Perriello’s address and several others of us put it up on our Facebook pages and Twitter accounts.
“Turns out that it was not in fact his address, it was his brother’s. That was not something we were going for. We just wanted people to get a little closer to their congressman.”
Jessica Barba, spokeswoman for Perriello, issued an e-mail statement Tuesday about the incident.
“We’re glad tea party leaders took down the address of the congressman’s brother and small children,” Barba said. “We hope that, even when we disagree on politics, we can agree about basic principles of decency and privacy.”

Lynchburg Tea Party Chairman Mark Lloyd posted Tuesday on the group’s Web site — which is not affiliated with the original blog post — that the group did not request, sanction or endorse spreading the address. Lloyd did not respond to an e-mail Tuesday afternoon.
Coleman said their intention was not to harass anyone, but “if we can take this message to his front doorstep, we will.”
Not so bad, at the surface. Just an asshole who doesn't care about troubling other people. Until...

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Law enforcement authorities are investigating the discovery of a cut propane gas line at the Virginia home of Rep. Thomas Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother, whose address was targeted by tea party activists angry at the congressman’s vote for the health care bill.

An aide to the congressman confirmed to POLITICO that a line to a propane tank behind his brother's home near Charlottesville had been sliced.

The FBI would not disclose the details of the incident but said that they have been to the home.

“This is very preliminary at this point, so we’re not making any comment at this time,” local FBI spokesman M.A. Myers told POLITICO.

Lee Catlin, community relations director for the Albemarle County Fire Marshal, said in a statement to POLITICO that the office is “investigating a suspicious incident” at the home of the congressman’s brother. “The Fire Marshal’s Office is conducting the investigation in cooperation with the FBI,” Catlin said. “While officials are not willing to characterize the exact nature of the incident because of the ongoing investigation, it did not involve an immediate threat to occupants of the residence. However officials are taking the incident very seriously and conducting a vigorous investigation,” the statement said.

POLITICO reported on Monday that Mike Troxel, an organizer for the Lynchburg Tea Party, posted on his blog what he thought was the congressman’s address, encouraging tea party activists to “drop by.”

The address has since been posted on websites of at least one other local tea party activist.
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And of course, if anyone were to arrest these thugs, it would be decried as "tyranny".

Can't this be considered incitement? I suppose the laws are too narrowly defined for that.
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Darth Wong wrote:And of course, if anyone were to arrest these thugs, it would be decried as "tyranny".

Can't this be considered incitement? I suppose the laws are too narrowly defined for that.
I hope the authorities/prosecutors find a way to come down on these assholes like a ton of bricks. There is no excuse for publishing this information like home addresses ESPECIALLY in such a time of heated feelings. It doesn't matter whose home it is nor that the information can be found elsewhere.
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So wait, was this brother personally heading up one of these "death squads" I keep hearing about? I mean, if he was going around butchering mentally ill children in the street, as I hear will soon be the norm, then he deserves everything he gets, I suppose. I sure hope they think of the children!

Jesus Christ.

Gotta stand up to the tyranny of altruistic intentions. Looks like they're not going to take this defeat at bringing down a fairer healthcare system too well. I've heard plenty of hyperbolic statements on the web about the country going to the wolves (much like the average fare the Tories are peddling over here with "broken Britain", but I digress), and also some rather alarming threats of violence. It must be so exciting to live in a nation with such passionate people.
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FSTargetDrone wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:And of course, if anyone were to arrest these thugs, it would be decried as "tyranny".

Can't this be considered incitement? I suppose the laws are too narrowly defined for that.
I hope the authorities/prosecutors find a way to come down on these assholes like a ton of bricks. There is no excuse for publishing this information like home addresses ESPECIALLY in such a time of heated feelings. It doesn't matter whose home it is nor that the information can be found elsewhere.
ESPECIALLY not with the added comments.

Seriously, they basically said "here he is, get him". And cutting a gas line is pretty damn close to an act of violent terrorism.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Gotta stand up to the tyranny of altruistic intentions. Looks like they're not going to take this defeat at bringing down a fairer healthcare system too well. I've heard plenty of hyperbolic statements on the web about the country going to the wolves (much like the average fare the Tories are peddling over here with "broken Britain", but I digress), and also some rather alarming threats of violence. It must be so exciting to live in a nation with such passionate people.
You know, this is why American politics is so interesting. So many of us in other First World countries follow American politics more closely than our own. We often say that it's because American policy is so important due to the sheer size of its economy and influence, but that's only a half-truth. I think the rest of it has to do with the fact that American politics is like a big soap opera, or professional wrestling. There's so much drama, so much passion, the ever-present possibility of random sex scandals and violence, and so many unexpected twists and turns, it's rip-roaring entertainment.

Of course, we have the good fortune of not having to actually live in it.
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Darth Wong wrote: You know, this is why American politics is so interesting. So many of us in other First World countries follow American politics more closely than our own. We often say that it's because American policy is so important due to the sheer size of its economy and influence, but that's only a half-truth. I think the rest of it has to do with the fact that American politics is like a big soap opera, or professional wrestling. There's so much drama, so much passion, the ever-present possibility of random sex scandals and violence, and so many unexpected twists and turns, it's rip-roaring entertainment.

Of course, we have the good fortune of not having to actually live in it.
I agree. It makes better viewing than their actual soaps, which from my brief experience, are hilarious.

Watching a bulletin on the vote while eating with my 'rents over the weekend, I made some remark on how it's about time the US public woke-up to this issue and took action, to which my mum said they're finally trying to get an NHS, which was good. My dad, however, saw this as probably not a good thing. I had to actually explain what the situation was really like, because he actually didn't believe me when I answered his response "So they just to let people die in the street if they have no insurance then?" as I mentioned the story with that poor 11-year-old kid from the other week. Granted, most people really only follow and care about what impacts on their lives, but I sometimes wonder if even half of what we discuss on this site, in this very forum, ever reaches the masses, and what impact it would have if it did. My parents could go on about the inefficiencies of the NHS all day, yet they're grateful to have it and they literally can't fathom any nation letting the sick and needy rot in a gutter, especially a nation like the USA.

If I was still home, I'd mention this incident too. And I guarantee I'd get either disbelief at it being real, or a kneejerk "Well, they're Americans. They do everything over the top" retort.
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See, this is why I'm in favor of recycling the term "Second World" now that the Cold War is over, to talk about nations that are below top-of-the-line when it comes to social services and a civil political system, but above the norm in the "Third World."

The US would be one of the biggest names on the list of Second World countries in this case.

Probably a bad idea, but in the unlikely event it ever catches on it might actually jar a few more people over here out of narcissism.
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Serafina wrote:
FSTargetDrone wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:And of course, if anyone were to arrest these thugs, it would be decried as "tyranny".

Can't this be considered incitement? I suppose the laws are too narrowly defined for that.
I hope the authorities/prosecutors find a way to come down on these assholes like a ton of bricks. There is no excuse for publishing this information like home addresses ESPECIALLY in such a time of heated feelings. It doesn't matter whose home it is nor that the information can be found elsewhere.
ESPECIALLY not with the added comments.

Seriously, they basically said "here he is, get him". And cutting a gas line is pretty damn close to an act of violent terrorism.
Remember, they have to be of Middle Eastern descent in order for any news media outlet to label this as terrorism, otherwise they're patriots expressing themselves freely as protected under the constitution.
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Related : Democratic offices vandalized across the country
Authorities in Wichita and some other cities across the country are investigating vandalism against Democratic offices, apparently in response to health care reform.

And on Monday, a former Alabama militia leader took credit for instigating the actions.

Mike Vanderboegh of Pinson, Ala., former leader of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern “Sons of Liberty” to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita.

“There’s glass everywhere,” said Lyndsay Stauble, executive director of the Sedgwick County Democratic Party. “A brick took out the whole floor-to-ceiling window and put a gouge in my desk.”

Stauble said the brick, hurled through the window between Friday night and Saturday morning, had “some anti-Obama rhetoric” written on it.

Vandals also smashed the front door and a window at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ office in Tucson early Monday, hours after the Arizona Democrat voted for the health care reform package.

Over the weekend, a brick shattered glass doors at the Monroe County Democratic Committee headquarters in Rochester, N.Y.

Attached to the brick was a note that said, “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice” — a quote from Barry Goldwater’s 1964 acceptance speech as the Republican presidential candidate.

And on Friday, a brick broke a window at Rep. Louise Slaughter’s district office in Niagara Falls, N.Y. Slaughter, a Democrat, was a vocal supporter of the health care reform bill passed by the House on Sunday.

Tyler Longpine, spokesman for the Kansas Democratic Party, called the incidents troubling.

“It’s kind of an alarming context,” he said. “We haven’t had any trouble here, but we’re fortunate enough to be on the seventh floor of an office building in Topeka.”

However, he added, “Most of our county offices are storefronts, which are a little bit more vulnerable to that kind of intimidation.”

Vanderboegh posted the call for action Friday on his blog, “Sipsey Street Irregulars.” Referring to the health care reform bill as “Nancy Pelosi’s Intolerable Act,” he told followers to send a message to Democrats.

“We can break their windows,” he said. “Break them NOW. And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.”

Vanderboegh told The Kansas City Star that the action was meant to “get everyone’s attention.”

“What I was trying to get across was that people do not understand how on the edge of civil conflict this country is,” he said.

Those who monitor right-wing extremist groups said they weren’t surprised to hear of the vandalism.

“Passage of health care reform will elicit a variety of responses from its opponents,” said Leonard Zeskind, author of the 2009 book “Blood and Politics.”

“We can expect militia types like Vanderboegh to become even more far-fetched and violent.”
Reps. Louise Slaughter and Bart Stupak have received death threats.

Reps. Louise Slaughter and Bart Stupak have received death threats.

A tea party participant published what he thought was Rep. Thomas Perriello’s home address and urged disgruntled voters to “drop by” for a “good face-to-face chat.”

Vandals broke windows at Slaughter’s office in New York and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’s office in Arizona.

And angry voters are planning to protest this weekend at the home of Steve Driehaus — who’s already seen a photograph of his children used in a newspaper ad published by reform opponents.

The vitriolic health care debate has become personal — too personal, say House Democrats who voted for the bill and now find not just themselves but their families in the cross hairs of opponents.

Slaughter, a Democrat who chairs the House Rules Committee, said a caller to her office last week vowed to send snipers to “kill the children of the members who voted yes.” Her office reported the call to police, who were dispatched to provide protection for Slaughter’s grandchildren. She has also been in touch with the FBI and U.S. Postal Service inspectors, who intercepted a letter en route to her home in upstate New York.

Stupak, the Michigan Democrat whose last-minute compromise on abortion guaranteed passage of the bill Sunday, said callers have left messages for him saying, “You’re dead; we know where you live; we’ll get you.”

“My wife still can’t answer the phone,” Stupak told POLITICO on Tuesday. The messages are “full of obscenities if she leaves it plugged in. In my office, we can’t get a phone out. It’s just bombarded.”

Stupak, a former police officer, said he’s not fazed by the threats or by the prospect of protests at his district office this weekend. “I’ve looked down barrels of guns,” he said. “I’ve talked my way out of it.”

But Democrats said their political opponents go too far when they bring members’ families into the fray.

Driehaus, a Democrat from Ohio, was outraged last week when a group called the Committee to Rethink Reform used a photo of him and his two young daughters in a newspaper ad urging him to vote against any health care reform bill that included federal funding for abortion. Both the group and the newspaper — the Cincinnati Enquirer — apologized for including Driehaus’s daughters in the ad.

“I’m very protective of my family, like most of us,” Driehaus said Tuesday. “There is no reason for my wife and kids to be brought into any of this. If people want to talk to me, if people want to approach me about an issue, I’m more than happy to talk about the issue, regardless of what side they’re on. But I do believe when you bring in a member’s family, that you’ve gone way too far.”

Driehaus faults Republicans for providing encouragement to the most extreme opponents of reform. Last week, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) warned that anti-abortion Democrats would suffer politically if they voted for the health care bill; he singled out Driehaus, saying he “may be a dead man” and “can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati” because “the Catholics will run him out of town.”

“Mr. Boehner made comments about me and my predicament when I go home which I felt were wildly out of bounds for his position and very irresponsible, quite frankly. He’s from next door. That’s not helpful. That’s irresponsible,” Driehaus said.

Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said, “The leader does not condone violence, and his remark was obviously not meant to be taken literally. He is urging Americans to take the anger they’re feeling and focus it on building a new majority that will listen to the people.”

No one condones death threats against members or their families, but not everyone is apologetic about taking complaints about health care reform straight to the homes of members.

Mike Troxel, an organizer for the Lynchburg Tea Party, posted what he believed to be Perriello’s home address on his blog this week, sarcastically urging other tea partiers to stop by and “say hi and express their thanks regarding his vote for health care.”

The address turned out to be the home of Perriello’s brother — who has four children — but Troxel told POLITICO he didn’t intend to remove it from his blog. “If they would like to provide me with the address of Tom, then I’d be more than happy to take it down,” he said. “I have no reason to believe it’s not his house.”

A fellow tea party blogger said he thought it was fine for Troxel to post Perriello’s home address. “They have our home addresses,” said Kurt Feigel, who complained that protesters had little choice but to go to Perriello’s home because Perriello’s office doesn’t “respond to e-mail; they don’t respond to letters; they don’t respond to us showing up at his office. So what am I going to do?”

Perriello said his family doesn’t want him to be afraid. But when asked if he was scared anyway, the Virginia Democrat replied: “Whatever.”

“I’ve lived in Sierra Leone for two years, where the life expectancy is 34 years old. If the worst thing that happens is that special-interest groups spend millions of dollars against me and my most ardent opponents organize against me, it’s hardly a ‘cry me a river’ moment — as long as people act civil and within the law.”

Others are less sanguine.

C.J. Karamargin, a spokesman for Giffords, said staffers in the Democrat’s district office were “a little bit shaken” Monday when they arrived at work to find the glass front door shattered and covered in plywood.

Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D-N.D.) said he had to change his personal cell phone number after a Republican gave it out to health care opponents.

And Rep. Dennis Cardoza, a Blue Dog Democrat from California, said he’s gotten physical threats over health care reform.

“There are some folks that identified themselves as being members of the tea party [who] called, [and] my staff has gotten to know their names over time, and they have been very loud and very ugly,” Cardoza said.

With the House vote behind them, Democrats hope to show voters that health care reform won’t wreak the devastation opponents predict — and that tempers will cool as a result.

Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.) said he’s already getting 95 percent fewer calls since Sunday’s vote.

“The real problem is the people who are calling and talking about a revolution and overthrowing government,” he said. “They can be angry. We’re all for that. But when they talk about taking over the government, the leadership has to do its part to stop that.”
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My my... Seems the Teabaggers really need to dress properly for such occasions of "active" protest. I would suggest a snazzy combo of black trousers with light brown shirts, and possibly sporting some sort of armband worn on the right sleeve. Perhaps one depicting a black teabag/teapot/teacup —whatever, inside a white circle on a red field. Oh, and jackboots. Yes, that would make for a really sharp accessory to complete the ensemble.
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What a bunch of fucking psychos. I'm sure all the higher-up republicans and Fox News asshats will all quickly shed any kind of responsibility for turning up the crazy over this whole debate faster than you can say "incitement to violence."

I can't believe that healthcare reform is nose-diving to the point of reactionary attacks by those who opposed Civil Rights during the '60s. I know those people are still alive (well, if not them, then their methods), but for fuck's sake, people, it's the 21st goddamn century. Is it really necessary to act like the worst of Eastern Bloc countries? Really?

People who pull the golden mean bullshit can go fuck themselves. How many Republicans were attacked when any of the Republican's most wanted legislation went through during Bush's presidency? Or any presidency?
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Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said, “The leader does not condone violence, and his remark was obviously not meant to be taken literally."
Ah, the old "well I didn't mean to be taken that way!" defence. A classic in American politics if ever there was one, loved by racists and gutless pricks too spineless to take responsibility for their words alike. How do these people continue to get away with crap like this? I'm betting that if any random American were to single out, say, a police officer on the street and told him that he "may be a dead man", that person would be up in front of a judge before he could say "freedom of speech". And yet these asshole congressmen can say whatever they want, they can even distribute the addresses of their political rivals for their brownshirt (oh, sorry, teapartier) cohorts to abuse, and wash their hands off it just like that? Really, from this side of the big pond America is looking more like a 1970s banana republic every day.
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I am soooooo happy about being a Federal employee at this point... working on the census... :roll:

I'm assigned to "group living quarters" - nursing homes, jails, homeless shelters, possibly outdoor locations. Someone expressed concern to me about that yesterday. Wasn't I worried about.... those people? (meaning homeless, ill, criminal). Fuck no! Probably safer to be doing census work in a psych ward or jail where the crazies actually are locked up than to be going door to door right now amongst the "normal" people!
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Back in the 90s America's terrorists were one hundred percent homegrown white anti-federalists as well. The big difference I'm seeing so far is that the teabaggers are a popular movement that haven't reached the critical mass the militias did with Ruby Ridge, Waco, and OKC.

The fact they're starting to get violent is a bad sign. So is the secession bullshit kicking about Texas. Could see another city bombing if their course doesn't change, since the balkanization of the movement will isolate the hardliners with the hardliners - much as I dislike their politics I do admit that a lot of the teabaggers probably don't want to hurt anyone, and that the inevitable factional divide will remove their relative 'sanity' from the mix.
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Did Steel seriously just refer to Boehner as "the leader?"

I mean, I know that that's part of his title and all, but the way he phrased it made me think of that Simpsons episode with the wierdo cult that takes over Springfield
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Patrick Degan wrote:My my... Seems the Teabaggers really need to dress properly for such occasions of "active" protest. I would suggest a snazzy combo of black trousers with light brown shirts, and possibly sporting some sort of armband worn on the right sleeve. Perhaps one depicting a black teabag/teapot/teacup —whatever, inside a white circle on a red field. Oh, and jackboots. Yes, that would make for a really sharp accessory to complete the ensemble.
Or a black shirt with and extra pouch just large enough for a bottle of castor oil.
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above I just wrote:I hope the authorities/prosecutors find a way to come down on these assholes like a ton of bricks.
Cripes, speaking of bricks. This is the first I've heard of the below. Not surprised in the least, though. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Authorities in Wichita and some other cities across the country are investigating vandalism against Democratic offices, apparently in response to health care reform.

And on Monday, a former Alabama militia leader took credit for instigating the actions.

Mike Vanderboegh of Pinson, Ala., former leader of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern “Sons of Liberty” to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita.

“There’s glass everywhere,” said Lyndsay Stauble, executive director of the Sedgwick County Democratic Party. “A brick took out the whole floor-to-ceiling window and put a gouge in my desk.”

Stauble said the brick, hurled through the window between Friday night and Saturday morning, had “some anti-Obama rhetoric” written on it.

Vandals also smashed the front door and a window at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ office in Tucson early Monday, hours after the Arizona Democrat voted for the health care reform package.

Over the weekend, a brick shattered glass doors at the Monroe County Democratic Committee headquarters in Rochester, N.Y.

Attached to the brick was a note that said, “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice” — a quote from Barry Goldwater’s 1964 acceptance speech as the Republican presidential candidate.

And on Friday, a brick broke a window at Rep. Louise Slaughter’s district office in Niagara Falls, N.Y. Slaughter, a Democrat, was a vocal supporter of the health care reform bill passed by the House on Sunday.
Enough. More than enough of this garbage. I hope there are some real investigations of these tea-bagging groups. Shoe's on the other foot now. I want to see prosecutions brought against them, I want to see charges of domestic terrorism. They can start with these clowns.
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I think this is relevant to your interests. It's quite disturbing how, at least in the West, we seem to be going backwards in politics now.
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Well then it's official. The militia crew are mixed in with the teabaggers so a resurgence is now definitely a significant possibility. The FBI and USSS better start watching things closely if they want to deter them.
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I suspect both of those agencies are watching already, but neither is inclined to discuss their operations publicly. Nor can they actually do much until a crime is actually committed. Given our approach to free speech, threats have to be pretty specific before action can be taken, although some of this recent activity might be enough.
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This kind of thing is genuinely frightening.

It was only inevitable, though. They carried guns to pollitical speeches and rallies, after all. How much longer until they start using them?

These people need to be called terrorists now, they need to be hunted down like dogs now, not only after they decide to blow something up. I'd call posting the address incitement any day of the week, and I hope a court does, too.
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loomer wrote:Well then it's official. The militia crew are mixed in with the teabaggers so a resurgence is now definitely a significant possibility. The FBI and USSS better start watching things closely if they want to deter them.
This is actually old news. The core of the Teabag movement has always been made up of "former" militia movement people. Its nothing more than a sham.
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Alyeska wrote:
loomer wrote:Well then it's official. The militia crew are mixed in with the teabaggers so a resurgence is now definitely a significant possibility. The FBI and USSS better start watching things closely if they want to deter them.
This is actually old news. The core of the Teabag movement has always been made up of "former" militia movement people. Its nothing more than a sham.
Ah, I was unaware of that. Thought it was mostly the Alex Jones crew at the core, and they're not militia. Too fat and unhealthy to have ever been allowed into any self-respecting Christian Patriot movement, Seperatist movement or Sovereignist movement in the backwoods.
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