Have Republicans ever noticed that the World hasn't ended?

[Crossroads Inc.]

Ok the thread title might be a little odd so ill explain...
Throughout recorded history, the far right in america have long held that "If 'X' happens it ill be the end of civilization as we know it!"

Going from if Blacks marry Whites? The end of the world!!!
Abortion made legal? The end of the world!!!
Equal rights form blacks and women? The end of the world!!!
Gays allowed to marry? The end of the world!!!

And now as we pas Healthcare reform, again, for well over the past year we have had people deeply afraid, no Terrified that if it passes, America as we know it is OVER! I have been at protests here in Arizona were I have seen people with True fear in their eyes, these people well and truly believe that "Obamacare" means Socialism, people coming in the night for grandma, that all control of their Healthcare is over, that it means... The End of the World!!!

I have to ask, at any point in history ahs anyone ever stood up and asked these people "Hey, you know Gay marriage is legal all over the world... Can you point out how civilization collapsed there? Likewise in a few months when it becomes clear that Soviet thugs aren't hauling grandma away in the middle of the night.. Where they be anyone to say
"So, when is the world coming to an end?"

[open_sketchbook]

Of course they haven't noticed.

[Gil Hamilton]

Alot of those issues are still "End of the World" pending. Out on the University of Arizona mall, there are anti-abortion protestors who've set up a massive wall of posters describing abortion as the Holocaust and not so subtly calling Obama and Democrats Hitler and the SS respectively.

There ARE sensible Republicans who may not like the changes but know full well it's not the end of the world. However, the Tea Baggers (hee hee hee) are the loud vocal ones who make every issue literally life or death. It's that lot that is going to eventually take their own rhetoric to its actual, logical conclusion and start attempting to murder politicians.

[Themightytom]

woah woah woah lets not jump to conclusions here. Martin Luthor king could very well have triggered the apocalypse, Satan could very well be running things already but the world won't end for another 1000 years or so.

At Which Point It Will Be Your Fault.

[Simon_Jester]

Alot of those issues are still "End of the World" pending. Out on the University of Arizona mall, there are anti-abortion protestors who've set up a massive wall of posters describing abortion as the Holocaust and not so subtly calling Obama and Democrats Hitler and the SS respectively.

To be blunt, if you honestly believe that eight-week-old embryos are just as human as you or me, the Holocaust is the only logical comparison to the practice of abortion on the scale it is now performed on. It seems ridiculous to people who don't believe that, but there it is.

Though that calls the honesty of people who claim believe that into suspicion in my eyes; I'd expect even more terrorism directed against abortion clinics if there were a truly significant fraction of the country that truly believed in their bones that abortion was murder. I mean, it's not like abortion clinics have guard towers with machine guns to protect them from attack, or anything...

Now, none of this has anything to do with other issues that the right tends to panic about (like public health care reform). Only in the case of abortion in particular does the core axiom of the movement actually explain the degree of radical lunacy we see among the movement's members.

[Gil Hamilton]

To be blunt, if you honestly believe that eight-week-old embryos are just as human as you or me, the Holocaust is the only logical comparison to the practice of abortion on the scale it is now performed on. It seems ridiculous to people who don't believe that, but there it is.

Though that calls the honesty of people who claim believe that into suspicion in my eyes; I'd expect even more terrorism directed against abortion clinics if there were a truly significant fraction of the country that truly believed in their bones that abortion was murder. I mean, it's not like abortion clinics have guard towers with machine guns to protect them from attack, or anything...

This leads me to believe that most people don't honestly believe their own rhetoric. It makes for good body copy, but anti-abortion people shy away from the logical conclusion as to what action should be taken. They often also support the right to own guns, but what the fuck good are their guns if they are in cabinets when millions upon millions of babies are being made into blood milkshakes by people in their own country?

Further, there was a good interview where someone went around talking to demonstrators. The simple question was posed to them "If abortion is murder and was somehow criminalized like they asked, what crime should women and doctors be charged with respectively?" Most of them didn't have a good answer, which is dueced odd if you honestly think that abortion is infantcide. If it is infantcide, then abortion doctors are serial murders and the women their accomplices. This is obvious, but for all their rhetoric, few would venture a punishment.

Now, none of this has anything to do with other issues that the right tends to panic about (like public health care reform). Only in the case of abortion in particular does the core axiom of the movement actually explain the degree of radical lunacy we see among the movement's members.

The Tea Baggers do have a core set of concepts. "Communism is bad and will destroy the country and anything the Democrats do is communism. This is super double communism and Obama is trying to murder our economy and make us a third world nation." You see many signs with Obama with Hitler mustaches and openly calling him a Nazi, amongst other things. If they honestly believed that, they've been REALLY fucking lax about trying to stop the immenient destruction of their country. Again, this goes back to the second amendment, if they honestly believe that Obama and the Democrats are actively and willfully destroying their country, what the hell are they doing with their guns in their safes? The Tea Baggers constantly ELUDE to violence, but they don't seem to actually believe their rhetoric enough to actually take arms against the Communist Murder Machine that is trying to Destroy God-Fearing America.

[Thanas]

Quite simple - a lot of them are scared. They are scared of big government and they are scared to actually do something. That is not unheard of nor without precedent - people rarely take action against an oppressor unless their personal situation becomes untenable. Of course, as every American can still do essentially what he wants in his free time, that is not the case yet.

[General Zod]

Quite simple - a lot of them are scared. They are scared of big government and they are scared to actually do something. That is not unheard of nor without precedent - people rarely take action against an oppressor unless their personal situation becomes untenable. Of course, as every American can still do essentially what he wants in his free time, that is not the case yet.

I don't think most of them actually understand what a 'big government' really is. They clearly didn't have a problem with the Republicans under Shrubby doing a lot of things they claim to oppose.

[Crossroads Inc.]

The whole abortion debate concerning "Abortion is murder" nonsense reminds me of an NPR Interview a long time ago in which a leading Anti Abortion member was on talking about Stem Cells.

On the show he was "set up" by another member who asked a series of questions in which he said that, yes, he believes every fertilized embryo is a human life, that the destruction of a single human embryo is tantamount to murder. And that Stem cell research is indeed responsible for thousands of 'murders' each year.

The other guest then asked this guy straight up: "So tell me, if there was an Embryo facility on fire ,and there was a case of over 100 Human Embryos, and a single 12year old girl. Which would you save from the fire?" The Anti abortion guys goes into full backpedal mode, saying that no one life could be worth more then others, that its not his place to decide, its gods place. .He backtracks and avoids the question. The other person asks again and again, fro about 10min this question and the whole time the anti abortion guy simply won't state the obvious... "If you believe one Embryo is worth the same as One human life, then your ONLY option is to save the embryos, and let the girl burn to death.

Back on topic of the Health care business, it still gets to me that there are so many people who arn't just saying "this will destroy america" but really believe it. Yesterday there was a protest at our state capital and I watched a women sobbing in tears, really choking and sobbing saying that she had loaded her car and was making ready to leave the country, she said she had taking all her money out of the bank because she believed within a year there wouldn't BE any banks any more. She said she had two kids who she said "I might out live because they won't be able to get a doctor any more.

it sounds silly and anyone that stupid deserves the grief they belive, but the fact that, unlike abortion, there are people who truly do believe the down full of america is coming makes me more worried about violence in the ocming months.

[Highlord Laan]

Of course they haven't noticed.

*snip*

"Today, my country became France."

Why haven't these idiots been removed from the gene pool for the betterment of the human race as a whole?

[Thanas]

Crossroads, would it kill you to use a spell-check program?

[Simon_Jester]

This leads me to believe that most people don't honestly believe their own rhetoric. It makes for good body copy, but anti-abortion people shy away from the logical conclusion as to what action should be taken. They often also support the right to own guns, but what the fuck good are their guns if they are in cabinets when millions upon millions of babies are being made into blood milkshakes by people in their own country?

That's kind of my point.

The Tea Baggers do have a core set of concepts. "Communism is bad and will destroy the country and anything the Democrats do is communism. This is super double communism and Obama is trying to murder our economy and make us a third world nation."

Thing is, that axiom isn't openly stated (possibly because it's so retarded that it can't be said without half an hour of buildup, and even then only if you're already preaching to the choir).

Whereas pro-lifers actually come right out and SAY they think abortion is murder. And if you take that premise for granted, then everything they do logically follows, and the only question is "why don't they do more, if they really believe that?"

I don't think the teabaggers have a single core axiom that, when taken as a given, justifies the absurd foolishness of their actions. It takes a combination of weird notions and brainbugs to explain the cumulative effect. Of course, that may just be because they're a diverse coalition of separate groups, rather than having laser-like focus on a single issue.

Again, this goes back to the second amendment, if they honestly believe that Obama and the Democrats are actively and willfully destroying their country, what the hell are they doing with their guns in their safes? The Tea Baggers constantly ELUDE to violence, but they don't seem to actually believe their rhetoric enough to actually take arms against the Communist Murder Machine that is trying to Destroy God-Fearing America.

Nitpick: Allude != elude.

But yeah, I definitely get what you're saying.

Why haven't these idiots been removed from the gene pool for the betterment of the human race as a whole?

Because that would be evil. Sorry.

[Big Phil]

Of course they haven't noticed.

*snip*

"Today, my country became France."

Why haven't these idiots been removed from the gene pool for the betterment of the human race as a whole?

Why don't go right ahead and plan the murder of several tens of millions of conservatives. See how far that goes... regardless, enough with the Internet Tough Guy bullshit

[Kanastrous]

To be blunt, if you honestly believe that eight-week-old embryos are just as human as you or me, the Holocaust is the only logical comparison to the practice of abortion on the scale it is now performed on. It seems ridiculous to people who don't believe that, but there it is.

Though that calls the honesty of people who claim believe that into suspicion in my eyes; I'd expect even more terrorism directed against abortion clinics if there were a truly significant fraction of the country that truly believed in their bones that abortion was murder. I mean, it's not like abortion clinics have guard towers with machine guns to protect them from attack, or anything...

I have challenged many abortion-is-murder types over their apparent cowardice in refusing to adopt violence to protect babies and I frequently get a response along the lines of Well I'd sure like to but the Pope/my pastor tells us that we shouldn't resort to violence and he has the moral authority to tell me that. So evidently for these particular people their clergy is willing to instruct their flock that every terminated pregnancy is a murder, but that it's okay for them to refrain from physically intervening...

...so I asked my in-laws' priest if violent intervention would be warranted if I saw someone beating a baby to death in front of me, and he said 'yes.' Then I asked, since a 1-day-old fetus is fully interchangeable with a born baby, shouldn't I likewise apply violence to abortion providers, and...he walked away without even answering.

[Channel72]

Ok the thread title might be a little odd so ill explain...
Throughout recorded history, the far right in america have long held that "If 'X' happens it ill be the end of civilization as we know it!"

Going from if Blacks marry Whites? The end of the world!!!
Abortion made legal? The end of the world!!!
Equal rights form blacks and women? The end of the world!!!
Gays allowed to marry? The end of the world!!!

The average person has very little historical perspective. Proponents of social conservatism have lost just about every single cause they fought for, and society has only gotten better. And yet in every generation social conservatives remain, simply because social conservatism is not really a coherent philosophy, but rather a very-human reactionary response to change.

[Gil Hamilton]

That's kind of my point.

I know, we are agreeing.

Thing is, that axiom isn't openly stated (possibly because it's so retarded that it can't be said without half an hour of buildup, and even then only if you're already preaching to the choir).

Whereas pro-lifers actually come right out and SAY they think abortion is murder. And if you take that premise for granted, then everything they do logically follows, and the only question is "why don't they do more, if they really believe that?"

I don't think the teabaggers have a single core axiom that, when taken as a given, justifies the absurd foolishness of their actions. It takes a combination of weird notions and brainbugs to explain the cumulative effect. Of course, that may just be because they're a diverse coalition of separate groups, rather than having laser-like focus on a single issue.

I don't know about that. The Tea Baggers have been pretty damn open that they consider the Democrats all mustache twirling communists (except for the Blue Dogs) and that therefore anything the Democrats do must be opposed, because it's all advancing what in there view is an agenda to run the country into the ground. The fact that they aren't very focused isn't as important as that whatever is their pet issue, it all stems from the notion that anything the democrats do on any issue must be opposed, even if they may privately agree on some issues, but giving any ground is considered one step closer to the whole ship sinking.

[Connor MacLeod]

As others noted, its fear pure and simple. By their lights it is the end of the world. Or rather, the end of their comfortable little world and some people (such as conservatives) will react to that with hostility or paranoia or some other bizarre reaction. Uncertainty can be a terrifying thing for some people to cope with.

[Vastatosaurus Rex]

I don't think most of them actually understand what a 'big government' really is. They clearly didn't have a problem with the Republicans under Shrubby doing a lot of things they claim to oppose.

I believe conservatives are lying when they say they don't want big government. They just don't want government threatening their own socioeconomic power. They don't mind if the government invades another country so that American corporations can exploit its resources, but once the government decides to take some of their money and give it to people who need it more, they throw a shitfit. This is about preserving socioeconomic inequality and the concentration of power in the hands of a few, not government size.

[ArmorPierce]

Ok the thread title might be a little odd so ill explain...
Throughout recorded history, the far right in america have long held that "If 'X' happens it ill be the end of civilization as we know it!"

Going from if Blacks marry Whites? The end of the world!!!
Abortion made legal? The end of the world!!!
Equal rights form blacks and women? The end of the world!!!
Gays allowed to marry? The end of the world!!!

And now as we pas Healthcare reform, again, for well over the past year we have had people deeply afraid, no Terrified that if it passes, America as we know it is OVER! I have been at protests here in Arizona were I have seen people with True fear in their eyes, these people well and truly believe that "Obamacare" means Socialism, people coming in the night for grandma, that all control of their Healthcare is over, that it means... The End of the World!!!

I have to ask, at any point in history ahs anyone ever stood up and asked these people "Hey, you know Gay marriage is legal all over the world... Can you point out how civilization collapsed there? Likewise in a few months when it becomes clear that Soviet thugs aren't hauling grandma away in the middle of the night.. Where they be anyone to say
"So, when is the world coming to an end?"

I just noticed this with Jim Cramer. FOr monhs, he was railing against national healthcare reform and pointing to market rally during the race at massachusetts as a sign of the market being anti healthcare, pro republican... nevermind that the election was not over and the next ay the market was down. His excuse the next day when Jon Stweart pointed this out was that first day the market was predicting the obvious republican win. Today, despitedall his railing against it, the market did very well. Instead of giving healthcare reform credit for this, he said that the market was up despite it and everything that Obama was doing against it, despite the fact that the health insurance company's stock were companies leading the rally.

[ArmorPierce]

Jim Cramer today seems to have tentatively retracted his claims and has admitted he was wrong today. Good for him.