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Wall Street Journal wrote: MARCH 25, 2010, 7:23 P.M. ET

TV Chief Critical of Chavez Is Arrested

By DARCY CROWE And DAVID LUHNOW

CARACAS, Venezuela—Intelligence agents arrested the president of Venezuela's only remaining independent television station on Thursday, leading to concerns that freedom of speech is ending in this oil-rich nation.

Guillermo Zuloaga, president of Globovision network, was arrested over comments that were deemed "offensive" to President Hugo Chávez, according to Venezuela's Attorney General Luisa Ortega. Mr. Chávez, who has been in power for more than a decade, has recently stepped up a campaign against critics of his socialist government.

Mr. Zuloaga was detained at a small airport in northwestern Venezuela as he prepared to board his private jet for Holy Week holidays in Bonaire, a Caribbean island. He was then flown to Caracas for questioning by judicial authorities, officials said.

The move against Mr. Zuloaga came just days after former state governor and presidential candidate Oswaldo Alvarez Paz was arrested for comments he made during an interview with Globovision about Mr. Chávez's government. Mr. Alvarez Paz, 67, is currently in jail and has been charged, among other things, with conspiracy. The charge doesn't allow for bail and carries a sentence of eight to 16 years.

The latest arrest was seen by critics of Mr. Chávez, whose popularity is sliding amid a recession and electricity shortage, as a signal that the government is ratcheting up pressure on the president's political foes and the country's few remaining critical media outlets as Mr. Chávez prepares for key legislative elections in September.

"They want to scare anyone who has an opinion," said Miguel Henrique Otero, editor of El Nacional, a leading daily newspaper. "It's as if every Venezuelan is on parole and could be arrested at any moment."

Ms. Ortega said Mr. Zuloaga is being charged with spreading false information, an offense could bring two to five years in prison. She said he was planning on fleeing the country, an accusation that Mr. Zuloaga denied in comments to his own television station, which he called as he was arrested.

"I had no intention of leaving the country," he said. "I was simply going on holiday."

The remarks by Mr. Zuloaga that were considered offensive were about the erosion of free speech in Venezuela. The country recently passed laws forbidding citizens from making comments that could be seen as causing instability, a broad phrase critics say can be used against anyone who speaks against Mr. Chávez.

Mr. Zuloaga spoke Sunday at a forum in Aruba sponsored by the Inter American Press Association, or IAPA, which groups some of the most influential news outlets in the hemisphere. The group aims to defend press freedoms and has been critical of Mr. Chávez's encroachment on Venezuela's media.

At the meeting, Mr. Zuloaga said: "It's impossible to talk about media freedom in a country where the government uses force to close media."

A day after the IAPA meeting, Venezuela's National Assembly, dominated by pro-Chávez lawmakers, called on the attorney general's office to investigate Mr. Zuloaga. On Thursday, they applauded the arrest. "If they're so brave to talk, they should be just as brave to assume the consequences," said National Assembly head Cilia Flores.

Officials in Mr. Chavez's government deny they are cracking down on freedom of speech and say they are simply enforcing the country's laws.

IAPA reacted with dismay. "We are deeply worried to see that something we have warned about for so many years is seen in such a graphic way," IAPA President Alejandro Aguirre said in an interview.

Human-rights' groups condemned the arrest. "For years, Chávez has been pushing legislation to restrict free speech. Now we seem to be entering a darker period in which he is enforcing these draconian laws," said José Miguel Vivanco, head of the Americas for Human Rights Watch, a rights organization.

With the exception of Globovision, which can be seen only on cable TV outside the capital, Caracas, most other independent television stations have been taken off public airwaves by the Chávez government. Newspapers have largely been exempt from the crackdown, although newspaper owners fear they are next.

"That's where this is all going," said Mr. Otero, the head of El Nacional. "They are very scared about the fall in his approval ratings and they want to frighten opinion leaders and the opposition."

Added Mr. Aguirre of IAPA: "They are sending a clear signal that there is only one way of thinking in Venezuela: the one that Chávez wants."

This week's events bring to a head a longer-running showdown between Mr. Chávez and the media. When Mr. Chávez first began moving the country dramatically to the left after becoming president in 1999, the media launched anaggressive campaign against the president, leading to mutual hostility that never faded.

During a brief ouster of Mr. Chávez in 2002, the media didn't report on massive pro-Chávez demonstrations that eventually helped to force the coup plotters to allow Mr. Chávez back into office only days after his ouster.

In 2007, Mr. Chávez declined to renew the broadcast license of RCTV, the country's oldest and most popular broadcaster. The station transferred to cable television. In January of this year, regulators suspended RCTV after ruling that the domestic broadcaster was obliged to carry Mr. Chávez's hours-long speeches. The station had refused.

Following the RCTV incident, other television stations softened their coverage of the government, with the notable exception of Globovision.

The government has also canceled the broadcasting licenses of dozens of radio stations for what the government deemed regulatory infractions.

Earlier this month, Mr. Chávez urged prosecutors to act against Noticiero Digital, a news Web site popular with his opponents, and called for the regulation of the Internet. He later denied his government had plans to regulate the Internet.

Thursday's arrest wasn't the first time Mr. Zuloaga, the Globovision head, had come under government scrutiny. In June, police searched his home for hunting trophies they said could be illegal under environmental-protection laws. He was also charged separately for allegedly improperly storing 24 new cars from dealerships he owns.
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Despite what the article attempts to persuade the reader of through cherry-picked quotes (including a literally one word quote from the Attorney General which, as far as I can tell, has been taken completely out of context), Guillermo Zuloaga is not being arrested because of his political opinions or views, but is instead being charged for spreading false information, in accordance with Article 296 of the Venezuelan Penal Code.
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What is "Free speach"? Is it related to free speech?
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Cycloneman wrote:Despite what the article attempts to persuade the reader of through cherry-picked quotes (including a literally one word quote from the Attorney General which, as far as I can tell, has been taken completely out of context), Guillermo Zuloaga is not being arrested because of his political opinions or views, but is instead being charged for spreading false information, in accordance with Article 296 of the Venezuelan Penal Code.
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At the meeting, Mr. Zuloaga said: "It's impossible to talk about media freedom in a country where the government uses force to close media."
is false information? The Venezuelan government has been going after pretty much any and all independent television stations.
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At the meeting, Mr. Zuloaga said: "It's impossible to talk about media freedom in a country where the government uses force to close media."
is false information? The Venezuelan government has been going after pretty much any and all independent television stations.
That is part of his speech, yes. I highly doubt that it is the entire thing, and apparently the process of the arrest was rushed because he was heading out of the country.

Looking into it further, apparently the guy who originally reported him (Manuel Villalba), did so for an admission of involvement in the 2002 coup d'etat (or what he thought was one, anyway). I don't think the government has said what specific statements he is being charged for yet.
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Cycloneman wrote:I don't think the government has said what specific statements he is being charged for yet.
Perhaps his landlord forgot to pay his taxes, or parking tickets ...
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Cycloneman wrote:Despite what the article attempts to persuade the reader of through cherry-picked quotes (including a literally one word quote from the Attorney General which, as far as I can tell, has been taken completely out of context), Guillermo Zuloaga is not being arrested because of his political opinions or views, but is instead being charged for spreading false information, in accordance with Article 296 of the Venezuelan Penal Code.
And who gets to decide which "information" is "false"?

How can there be any freedom of expression if the government locks people up for expressing views it considers to be "false"?

Besides Chavez's regime repressing speech it doesn't like is hardly something which only concerns the Wall Street Journal. Amnesty:
The Venezuelan State must respect fundamental rights of association and freedom of expression

Following the latest wave of violence in the wake of student protests around the country for and against the suspension of RCTV International, Amnesty International is calling on the authorities to guarantee the right of all people to freedom of association and expression, and to ensure that the deaths of students Yosinio Carrillo Torres, 16 years of age, and Marcos Rosales, along with the injuries suffered by dozens of other people, both demonstrators and members of the security forces,are investigated and those responsible brought to justice.

The authorities must immediately and unequivocally condemn these serious abuses and ensure that the security forces intervene only to protect the integrity and life of anyone wishing to exercise his or her legitimate right of association.

The State has a duty to maintain order, whilst always ensuring that the security forces employ force, including the use of firearms, only when strictly necessary and according to a principle of proportionality, never resorting to torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, as stipulated by international human rights standards and the Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
“The right of association is fundamental but it is not a right to violent protest. Demonstrators and their leaders must ensure that violence is not used," specified Amnesty International.

Recent events are not an isolated occurrence. Over the last 13 months, protests have increased sharply in Venezuela, resulting in injury to almost 600 demonstrators, at least 14 of them by firearm, and 9 have died so fardeaths. According to information received, the majority of these cases of violence were committed by the security forces, by pro-government armed civilian groups claiming responsibility for their actions, or by unidentified civilians.

Amnesty International is extremely concerned at the deterioration in freedom of expression in Venezuela. All human rights, including the right to freedom of expression and association, must be respected and society must perceive that they are being respected.

The non-renewal or suspension of TV and radio station licences, as was the case with RCTV in 2007 and last year when licences were withdrawn from 34 radio stations, along with the recent suspension of four cable television channels, including RCTV International, demonstrates the authorities’ failure to respect the legitimate work of the media, particularly when a channel is known to have an editorial line critical of the government.

“While the media must be subject to the law, their closure must be a last resort and a measure that should only be implemented following all guarantees of due process, including the right to a defence and appeal,” said Amnesty International.

If the Venezuelan Government is committed to the rule of law then it must promote, protect and respect the right to freedom of expression and association and celebrate the importance and positive contribution that criticism and transparency can play within that rule of law, stated Amnesty International.

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RCTV International and five other cable television channels were withdrawn from air early on 23 January for allegedly having contravened Article 10 of the Law on Social Accountability in Radio and Television. According to reports, four of these cable channels, Momentum, TV Chile, American Network and Ritmoson, will be able to resume transmissions.

The right to freedom of expression and association is a fundamental right guaranteed by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the American Convention on Human Rights and the Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
And Human Rights Watch:
Venezuela: Stop Abusing Broadcast Powers

Forcing Cable Channels Off Air Undermines Freedom of Expression

January 26, 2010
(Washington, DC) - The Chávez administration should not abuse its authority to compel broadcast of presidential speeches that promote the government's political agenda, Human Rights Watch said today.

On January 23, 2010, the Chávez government threatened to take action against cable providers that aired channels that did not comply with Venezuelan regulations, including the requirement to interrupt regular broadcasting to broadcast presidential speeches. The following day, the country's cable providers stopped broadcasting seven channels, including TV Chile, Chile's public TV channel, and RCTV International, the cable channel that was created after RCTV—Venezuela's oldest television channel and a constant critic of President Hugo Chávez—was taken off the public airwaves in 2007.

"For years, Chávez has sought to intimidate and punish broadcasters who criticize his government," said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. "Now he's also going after those who refuse to promote his own political agenda."

Since taking office in February 1999, Chávez has used the government's legal authority to compel radio and TV stations using public airwaves to transmit almost 2,000 presidential speeches live. The speeches are not limited to extraordinary circumstances in which the government would need to reach the entire Venezuelan audience. In 2009, Chávez forced stations to transmit live 141 speeches, including one that lasted seven hours and 34 minutes.

Under regulations adopted by the National Telecommunications Commission (CONATEL) in December 2009, cable channels with more than 30 percent Venezuelan-produced programming -including both shows and advertisements - are considered "national audiovisual producers" and are therefore required to transmit Chávez's speeches live at his request.

Last week, CONATEL published a list of 24 cable channels considered "national audiovisual producers," and determined that other channels not on that list would be considered "national" until they provide evidence that they are international channels.

No official procedure with due process guarantees took place to determine whether any of the seven channels removed by the service providers on Sunday had violated any law.

Human Rights Watch has repeatedly called on the Venezuelan government to reverse measures that reduce the ability of government critics to voice their opinions and that seriously undermine freedom of expression in the country. These measures include:

Amending the criminal code to extend the scope of desacato (disrespect) laws that criminalize offending public officials;
Abusing its control of broadcasting frequencies to punish radio stations with overtly critical programming;
Banning a series of TV and radio advertisements criticizing reforms proposed by the Chávez administration; and
Ordering private radio stations to broadcast for three-and-a-half hours every day programs selected by the government and produced by government-certified independent producers.
Also seem concerned about this, are they "cherry picking" as well?
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Hmm. Title fixed, it pained my eyes. Chavez is an asshole anyway, regardless of how much I'd support his left-wing policies, cracking down on TV is bad.
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Plekhanov wrote:
Cycloneman wrote:Despite what the article attempts to persuade the reader of through cherry-picked quotes (including a literally one word quote from the Attorney General which, as far as I can tell, has been taken completely out of context), Guillermo Zuloaga is not being arrested because of his political opinions or views, but is instead being charged for spreading false information, in accordance with Article 296 of the Venezuelan Penal Code.
And who gets to decide which "information" is "false"?

How can there be any freedom of expression if the government locks people up for expressing views it considers to be "false"?
Don't news channels have a responsibility to tell the truth? Why is it so strange to imagine that failure to do so would result in criminal prosecution? It seems natural to me.
Plekhanov wrote:Besides Chavez's regime repressing speech it doesn't like is hardly something which only concerns the Wall Street Journal. Amnesty:

And Human Rights Watch:

Also seem concerned about this, are they "cherry picking" as well?
These articles you've posted seem to focus on the reaction in Venezuela to anti-government protests and the requirement for Venezuelan news channels to air Chavez's speeches, respectively, not with how the Venezuelan government is/isn't repressing opposition with respect to Article 296. I don't really see what they have to do with the topic at hand, namely the arrest of Guillermo Zoloaga.
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Considering Venezuela's obscene laws regarding any kind of violent video game this isn't much of a surprise.
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Why do self proclaimed left wing governments clamp down on free flow of information ? It goes against principles of a fair society !
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Sarevok wrote:Why do self proclaimed left wing governments clamp down on free flow of information ? It goes against principles of a fair society !
Well, if your goal is power you need to keep the proles in line by insuring they believe what you want them to believe about you. You can also get that way if you decide that since the populance are idiots, it is okay to manipulate them however you want.
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Cycloneman wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:
Cycloneman wrote:Despite what the article attempts to persuade the reader of through cherry-picked quotes (including a literally one word quote from the Attorney General which, as far as I can tell, has been taken completely out of context), Guillermo Zuloaga is not being arrested because of his political opinions or views, but is instead being charged for spreading false information, in accordance with Article 296 of the Venezuelan Penal Code.
And who gets to decide which "information" is "false"?

How can there be any freedom of expression if the government locks people up for expressing views it considers to be "false"?
Don't news channels have a responsibility to tell the truth? Why is it so strange to imagine that failure to do so would result in criminal prosecution? It seems natural to me.
If people can be prosecuted for "not telling the truth" by the same government that decides what the truth is, then the government can arrest anyone who disagrees with it on the grounds that what they are saying is a lie.
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Yes. People can decide for themselves what to believe. It does allow things like Fox News to exist. But on the other hand one can not have a free society and not suffer the consequences it brings.
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Cycloneman wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:
Cycloneman wrote:Despite what the article attempts to persuade the reader of through cherry-picked quotes (including a literally one word quote from the Attorney General which, as far as I can tell, has been taken completely out of context), Guillermo Zuloaga is not being arrested because of his political opinions or views, but is instead being charged for spreading false information, in accordance with Article 296 of the Venezuelan Penal Code.
And who gets to decide which "information" is "false"?

How can there be any freedom of expression if the government locks people up for expressing views it considers to be "false"?
Don't news channels have a responsibility to tell the truth? Why is it so strange to imagine that failure to do so would result in criminal prosecution?
I note you didn't answer my question And who gets to decide which "information" is "false"?

I sure hope it's somebody who is infallible, incorruptible and with no vested interest on any particular "truth" being made the orthodoxy or criminalising spreading "false information" this could have unpleasant results.
It seems natural to me.
Well it would seem that you are naturally an intolerant fuck who given the chance would happily criminalise people for saying things you consider not to be "the truth". Hopefully where ever you're from you never get to wield any power.
Plekhanov wrote:Besides Chavez's regime repressing speech it doesn't like is hardly something which only concerns the Wall Street Journal. Amnesty:

And Human Rights Watch:

Also seem concerned about this, are they "cherry picking" as well?
These articles you've posted seem to focus on the reaction in Venezuela to anti-government protests and the requirement for Venezuelan news channels to air Chavez's speeches, respectively, not with how the Venezuelan government is/isn't repressing opposition with respect to Article 296.
Well that's an eccentric reading of the articles I posted which just like the article posted in the OP detail wide ranging attempts by Chavez's regime to silence criticism of it in the Venezuelan media.
I don't really see what they have to do with the topic at hand, namely the arrest of Guillermo Zoloaga.
In what conceivable sense are articles by human rights groups detailing Chavez's attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in Venezuela off topic to a thread about Chavez's attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in Venezuela?
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Plekhanov wrote:I note you didn't answer my question And who gets to decide which "information" is "false"?

I sure hope it's somebody who is infallible, incorruptible and with no vested interest on any particular "truth" being made the orthodoxy or criminalising spreading "false information" this could have unpleasant results.
The same is true of any law which has a punishment: if the government decides to use it in an unjust way, it can be unjustly applied. They could also accuse all their political opponents of murder.
Plekhanov wrote:Well it would seem that you are naturally an intolerant fuck who given the chance would happily criminalise people for saying things you consider not to be "the truth". Hopefully where ever you're from you never get to wield any power.
Meh.
Plekhanov wrote:Well that's an eccentric reading of the articles I posted which just like the article posted in the OP detail wide ranging attempts by Chavez's regime to silence criticism of it in the Venezuelan media.
No, it's not eccentric at all. It's actually a very bland, normal reading. What do you think they say?
Plekhanov wrote:In what conceivable sense are articles by human rights groups detailing Chavez's attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in Venezuela off topic to a thread about Chavez's attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in Venezuela?
This thread is about the arrest of Guillermo Zuloaga, if you check the original post. These articles discuss completely unrelated things, except for the fact that they take place in Venezuela and involve the government maybe doing unjust things.
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Cycloneman wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:I note you didn't answer my question And who gets to decide which "information" is "false"?

I sure hope it's somebody who is infallible, incorruptible and with no vested interest on any particular "truth" being made the orthodoxy or criminalising spreading "false information" this could have unpleasant results.
The same is true of any law which has a punishment: if the government decides to use it in an unjust way, it can be unjustly applied. They could also accuse all their political opponents of murder.
If the government uses the law in an unjust way the people will find out about it and force the government to behave. If the government can silence its critics It can commit whatever atrocity it wants and no one will ever find out. That is why free speech is so important. It is the biggest balance to government power.
Cycloneman wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:In what conceivable sense are articles by human rights groups detailing Chavez's attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in Venezuela off topic to a thread about Chavez's attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in Venezuela?
This thread is about the arrest of Guillermo Zuloaga, if you check the original post. These articles discuss completely unrelated things, except for the fact that they take place in Venezuela and involve the government maybe doing unjust things.
What aspect of the connection between "Chavez's attempts to restrict the freedom of speech" and the arrest of a network owner over "comments that were deemed "offensive" to President Hugo Chávez" is confusing you?
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Hmm... now, wasn't Guillermo Zuloaga actually let go as of now?

Now, to be fair, the accusation of spreading "false information" can lead to arrest not only in Venezuela, but in, say, South Korea;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva_(Daum_Agora_user)
He spent a few months in jail for effectively a blog post. Similar things occure elsewhere in the world from time to time.
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Stas Bush wrote:Hmm... now, wasn't Guillermo Zuloaga actually let go as of now?

Now, to be fair, the accusation of spreading "false information" can lead to arrest not only in Venezuela, but in, say, South Korea;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva_(Daum_Agora_user)
He spent a few months in jail for effectively a blog post. Similar things occure elsewhere in the world from time to time.
But those other countries haven't nationalized the assets of American oil companies, so the concern-trolling about them is kept to a minimum.
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Cycloneman wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:I note you didn't answer my question And who gets to decide which "information" is "false"?

I sure hope it's somebody who is infallible, incorruptible and with no vested interest on any particular "truth" being made the orthodoxy or criminalising spreading "false information" this could have unpleasant results.
The same is true of any law which has a punishment: if the government decides to use it in an unjust way, it can be unjustly applied. They could also accuse all their political opponents of murder.
So in how many non-despotic states is it a crime to say "false" things about the government?
Cycloneman wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:Well that's an eccentric reading of the articles I posted which just like the article posted in the OP detail wide ranging attempts by Chavez's regime to silence criticism of it in the Venezuelan media.
No, it's not eccentric at all. It's actually a very bland, normal reading. What do you think they say?
Plekhanov wrote:In what conceivable sense are articles by human rights groups detailing Chavez's attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in Venezuela off topic to a thread about Chavez's attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in Venezuela?
This thread is about the arrest of Guillermo Zuloaga, if you check the original post. These articles discuss completely unrelated things, except for the fact that they take place in Venezuela and involve the government maybe doing unjust things.
Unrelated?
Human Rights Watch wrote:"For years, Chávez has sought to intimidate and punish broadcasters who criticize his government," said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. "Now he's also going after those who refuse to promote his own political agenda."
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Human Rights Watch has repeatedly called on the Venezuelan government to reverse measures that reduce the ability of government critics to voice their opinions and that seriously undermine freedom of expression in the country. These measures include:

Amending the criminal code to extend the scope of desacato (disrespect) laws that criminalize offending public officials;
Abusing its control of broadcasting frequencies to punish radio stations with overtly critical programming;
Banning a series of TV and radio advertisements criticizing reforms proposed by the Chávez administration; and
Ordering private radio stations to broadcast for three-and-a-half hours every day programs selected by the government and produced by government-certified independent producers.
Wall Street Journal wrote:CARACAS, Venezuela—Intelligence agents arrested the president of Venezuela's only remaining independent television station on Thursday, leading to concerns that freedom of speech is ending in this oil-rich nation.
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The latest arrest was seen by critics of Mr. Chávez, whose popularity is sliding amid a recession and electricity shortage, as a signal that the government is ratcheting up pressure on the president's political foes and the country's few remaining critical media outlets as Mr. Chávez prepares for key legislative elections in September.
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Human-rights' groups condemned the arrest. "For years, Chávez has been pushing legislation to restrict free speech. Now we seem to be entering a darker period in which he is enforcing these draconian laws," said José Miguel Vivanco, head of the Americas for Human Rights Watch, a rights organization.
All the articles talk about both specific examples of Chavez's regime restricting freedom of speech the HRW and Wall Street Journal articles even include quotes from the same HRW employee saying pretty much the same thing. It is very difficult to see how you can honestly conclude the Amnesty and HRW articles I posted are off topic.
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So Cycloneman is this Human Rights Watch article about the arrest of Guillermo Zuloaga and repression of free speech in Venezuela more generally also off topic? Are you going to accuse HRW of "attempts to persuade the reader of through cherry-picked quotes"?
Human Rights Watch wrote:Venezuela: End Prosecutions of Dissenters

Arrests for Criticizing the Government Undermines Democracy

March 25, 2010

(Washington, DC) – The arrest of two prominent critics in retaliation for public statements that were critical of the government is a serious blow to freedom of expression in Venezuela, Human Rights Watch said today.

“To prosecute someone for speech, which should be protected under any standard of democracy, is a dangerous precedent,” said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. “The violations of free speech are likely to be compounded by a trial that falls far short of due process protections, given the government’s political takeover of the Supreme Court.”

Following the issuance of an arrest warrant for Guillermo Zuloaga, president of TV station Globovisión, the state-run Radio Nacional de Venezuela reported today that a court in Caracas had issued an injunction to bar him from leaving the country because of “statements issued during the Inter American Press Association meeting, recently held in Aruba.”

The Bolivarian News Agency, the official news agency, reported that Zuloaga, whose station has frequently been critical of the government, had criticized President Hugo Chávez for undermining freedom of expression by closing media outlets. Radio Nacional Venezuela reported that Venezuela’s attorney general is currently investigating Zuloaga for “disseminating false information, offense, and insulting the President of the Republic.” It also reported that government officials are holding Zuloaga at the Josefa Camejo International Airport in Falcón state until an official commission arrives from Caracas to execute the judicial order forcing him to stay in the country.

Zuloaga’s detention came a day after Oswaldo Álvarez Paz, a former governor of the state of Zulia and a member of the National Assembly, was imprisoned for criticizing the Chávez administration in a TV show issued this month.

“For years, Chávez has been pushing legislation to restrict free speech,” Vivanco said. “Now we seem to be entering a darker period in which he is enforcing these draconian laws.”

“Insult laws,” which criminalize speech deemed to offend the honor of public officials and institutions, directly contravene international human rights norms. The Principles on Freedom of Expression, adopted by the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights in 2000, provide that the protection of the reputation of public officials should be guaranteed only by civil sanctions. The Inter-American Court of Human Rights has held that the use of criminal proceedings for defamation must be limited to cases of “extreme gravity, ” as a “truly exceptional measure” where its “absolute necessity” has been demonstrated, and that in any such case the burden of proof must rest with the accuser.

In 2004, Chávez and his supporters in the National Assembly carried out a political takeover of the Supreme Court, which effectively neutralized the judiciary as an independent branch of government. Since the 2004 takeover, the court has repeatedly failed to fulfill its role as a check on arbitrary state action and safeguard of fundamental rights.
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Plekhanov wrote:So in how many non-despotic states is it a crime to say "false" things about the government?
Um, sorry, but South Korea, which I mentioned just above, doesn't work? It's not the only state which can jail people for "false information", IIRC.

However, if you need a greater list, Latvia, South Korea, Russia, Belorussia, Thailand, Morocco, Egypt, etc. the list is quite long.

Some of these states are economically better off than Venezuela, some have better human rights situation, but one thing is common, they all arrested people for "spreading false information". However, unlike the current arrest whihc lasted a few days, the people in SK, Latvia, etc. IIRC spent a few months in jail and/or got an actual court.

So frankly, Venezuela is hardly unique. It does get extreme attention due to Chavez, however, and his anti-establishment policies.

How many front news did the Latvian arrest of academic Smirnovs get, who got arrested for saying the Latvian lat is going to devalue? Doubt too many, anyhow.

P.S. Actually, upon looking on blogger and public figures arrests through 2000-2010, it's quite probably easier to list nations where such arrests didn't occur. The USA, Germany, some other First World nations qualify. Everything outside of the First World, and even some First World nations seem to have problems with that and arrests bloggers, public figures, activists, etc. One can add Israel and France to the list above (the latter didn't par se arrest, but did prosecute a blogger for words about government), as well as a great multitude of nations hitherto unmentioned.
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The US government is trying to take out a news organization for telling the truth!

I'm not going to post the whole thing, since it's long, but the article is about the US and other governments trying to censor and shut down WikiLeaks.
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