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Irony fuck yeah
Chinese To Produce New 'Legal Highs'

6:14pm UK, Monday March 29, 2010

Holly Williams, Sky News correspondent

A Sky News probe into "legal highs" has uncovered the chain of supply from Chinese chemical factories to British dealers - and discovered plans to outsmart the UK's plans to ban mephedrone.

Much of the investigation was shot with a hidden camera. Posing as customers, Sky's film crew was able to buy legal highs in shops, markets and from online dealers.

Media attention has focused on mephedrone after the drug was linked to several deaths in recent weeks.

However, Sky's investigation discovered an entire new generation of chemical highs, including substances such as methylone, butylone and MDPV. All of them mimic the effects of other, better known drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy.

They are freely available with no legal consequences, though to avoid prosecution most dealers describe them as "plant food" or label them "not for human consumption".

Toxicologist Dr John Ramsey says we are witnessing a revolution in the drug trade. "We're seeing 10 or 11 new compounds every year coming out now," he said.

"While they're legal they're really quite attractive for young people. They can experiment without the risk of getting a criminal record. The problem is, we don't know what the risks are. They've never been tested anywhere for safety."

Dr Ramsey says it is understood that most dealers are being supplied by Chinese chemical companies.

"The Chinese chemical industry seems to provide anything at a price," he said.

"So if somebody here orders something they'll either synthesize it or have it in stock, and they'll send it, regardless of what it's to be used for."

A quick search online reveals dozens of Chinese companies ready to sell mephedrone, methylone, MDPV and other drugs in bulk. They can be ordered at the click of a mouse and sent by courier to Britain.

Posing as a potential customer, Sky contacted a Shanghai-based company named Blinkchem.

A Miss Chen answered the phone and said that the company makes both mephedrone and methylone "in batches - 100 kilograms, 200 kilograms, 50 kilograms, whatever the customer wants".

Miss Chen went on to reveal that Blinkchem already has five British customers, "two of them big ones".

"One of them orders 50 to 100 kilograms a week," she said. "The other one orders 50 kilograms of mephedrone a month, and 40 kilograms of methylone."

Sky's investigation came as the British Government announced that mephedrone will be banned and made into a Class B drug within weeks.

Asked whether this would cause problems for Blinkchem, Miss Chen said the company was already well prepared.

"We're working on five or six new legal products," she confided.

"Most of them come from our British customers. They told us how to make the new ones."

The Home Secretary announced the decision to ban mephedrone, also known as M-Cat or Meow Meow, after receiving advice from the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs.

But in a blow to the Government, a key adviser to ministers has quit her post on the ACMD.

Dr Polly Taylor is the sixth member of the council to resign since the sacking of the chairman, Professor David Nutt, last year.

Her departure could derail plans to pass a ban through Parliament before the expected start of the General Election campaign.
See below for more articles on mephedrone. Even though I was born in a country where we execute drug dealers even I can appreciate the irony, and yes I am aware these drugs are currently legal so it doesn't quite match the history of the British empire selling illegal opium to Qing Dynasty China.

Hey, maybe the archetype of a Chinese person with a giant grudge on their shoulders just waiting to get revenge on the West turned out to be true (sarcasm).
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Last I heard they still have no actual scientific proof that mephedrone ever killed anyone, just suspicions, which are compounded by the fact that several of the supposedly dead were also taking other drugs at the same time. But who cares, any system which will ban pot and let 75% alcohol liquor be sold by the gallon is not based on science.
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Not banning alcohol is based in science. Last time I checked, probation was a miserable failure.
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link

According to that site the drug is advertised as "plant food", as to whether it works, even wikipedia doesn't have anything on its use as a plant food.
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I can't wait till they ban all household solvents. I hear they're not safe either, also legal, and can give one dizzying high. Where are all the concerned parents when we have a real threat to contend with and the government is dragging its feet? I won't feel anyone is safe until all harm has been banned under legal edict by a governing body of some form.

Also, they should outlaw murder too and finally stop that badness.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:I can't wait till they ban all household solvents. I hear they're not safe either, also legal, and can give one dizzying high. Where are all the concerned parents when we have a real threat to contend with and the government is dragging its feet?
Don't forget gasoline. There's a sad history of gasoline sniffing with some of the natives and other poor people in Canada. And liquid paper. In junior school, our class learned that you can strain it through a handkerchief and huff it for a great high thank to one of the yearly police officer visits. It was one of the more useful things I learned in school.

Getting back on topic, I gotta wonder if these designer chemicals are poisoned with heavy metals like everything else coming out of China. I wouldn't be surprised if they were laced with rat poison to "enhance" the high.
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aerius wrote:
Don't forget gasoline. There's a sad history of gasoline sniffing with some of the natives and other poor people in Canada. And liquid paper. In junior school, our class learned that you can strain it through a handkerchief and huff it for a great high thank to one of the yearly police officer visits. It was one of the more useful things I learned in school.

Getting back on topic, I gotta wonder if these designer chemicals are poisoned with heavy metals like everything else coming out of China. I wouldn't be surprised if they were laced with rat poison to "enhance" the high.
I actually did put petrol, but then deleted it thinking solvent abuse from deodorant and paint cans would be enough. I like the smell of good ol' 95 octane, but I've more important things to do than sniff a petrol pump all day and asphyxiate.

I do find it odd (well, not really) that the media is now getting really onboard the anti-legal high bandwagon, when we have issues with binge drinking over here, yet whenever tax duty is raised on alcohol, the whole island goes up in arms over the preposterous notion that cheap booze is likely a part of the problem. No, best to focus on these somewhat benign, hardly ubiquitous substances that some ravers might use and cause perhaps a death or two annually. Clearly the bigger threat to society than the near 10,000 alcohol related deaths happening every year.
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stormthebeaches wrote:Not banning alcohol is based in science. Last time I checked, probation was a miserable failure.
I said the system. The system as a whole is not, and you just reinforce the point. Probation was a miserable failure and was quickly ended. The war on drugs is not only a miserable failure; it’s now directly tied into open warfare in several countries after three decades. Alcohol has lethal withdrawal symptoms, one of few drugs which does, and an easily achievable lethal dosage and you can buy it all over. Pot has neither deadly feature and yet is illegal to the point that people are in jail for life in the US for its trade. That is not science in government, its hysterical stupidity. In fact in the US, and more then one European country huge numbers of drugs have been made illegal already which have never been created based purely on the theoretical chemical similarities to existing illegal drugs. So chemists can’t even make them to find out what the effects are, no surprise since the last thing most government want discussed are facts on the matter.

Also life is not purely a matter of absolutes. One of the reasons Probation passed in the US in the first place was because most people actually thought it was just going to ban liquor, and not beer. That was a much more reasonable proposition. Banning extremely high alcohol content liquor alone, on the ground that that shit is just literal poison would be even more so. But nothing rational like this takes place.
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The resignation this week of another government drug advisor over this affair echoes the situation we had not many months ago with cannabis reclassification cropping up again, and the government scientists finding, surprise surprise, facts were swept under a rug.
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stormthebeaches wrote:Not banning alcohol is based in science. Last time I checked, probation was a miserable failure.
Y'know, it took me a minute, but I believe you mean Prohibition. If you actually mean probation, then what the fuck are you talking about?
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People can order whatever the hell they want from China and get it delivered? Sounds like the free market in action.

None of that stuff has been checked for safety and/or contamination? Caveat emptor - isn't it wonderful to be unencumbered by oppressive government regulation? Sounds like the free market in action!

So... why are people complaining again...?

Oh, right - nobody really likes a free market when it sells something they disapprove of.
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stormthebeaches wrote:Not banning alcohol is based in science. Last time I checked, probation was a miserable failure.
Y'know, it took me a minute, but I believe you mean Prohibition. If you actually mean probation, then what the fuck are you talking about?
This is Stormy's mind on drugs.... :twisted:
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mr friendly guy wrote:it doesn't quite match the history of the British empire selling illegal opium to Qing Dynasty China.
Not to mention the Chinese aren't being forced to sell us something to keep all that silver currency in circulation in the international markets ;) . Plus it appears legal (for now, anyway), which I suppose is a step or two up from what we Brits did in China :P .

Back on topic and... big deal really. If there's a demand for something you can be sure that someone will pop up somewhere to supply whatever it is. The trouble of course is that it seems the effects of these drugs aren't very well understood yet, but if it turns out that they are dangerous then I hope the government is careful how it regulates them. At the moment, Chinese companies marketing the stuff can at least be held legally accountable, unlike say the poppy farmers in Afghanistan or the drug barons in Central & South America. It may be end up being worse in terms of lives or money to ban them.

Broomstick - actually I'd be happy merely regulating it the same way we do with say tobacco or alcohol, if it's not particularly dangerous (for a given definition of dangerous, yeah I know :P ). Especially as, as I said above, the profits are going to an ordinary company, not some drug baron or used to fund the Taliban and their ilk.
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Teleros wrote:Broomstick - actually I'd be happy merely regulating it the same way we do with say tobacco or alcohol, if it's not particularly dangerous (for a given definition of dangerous, yeah I know :P ). Especially as, as I said above, the profits are going to an ordinary company, not some drug baron or used to fund the Taliban and their ilk.
My personal feeling is that if you want to fuck yourself up go ahead - as long as you don't hurt anyone else. The initial concern is, of course, operation of vehicles and/or dangerous machinery while under the influence, but addiction can cause quite a lot of heartache to your family and friends, which counts as hurt and harm as well.

Some things really do need strict controls, in other cases I think giving people a relatively safe and legal means of indulging isn't unreasonable.
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The UK drugs policy is effectively set by the tabloid media and their shrieking hysterics. Same papers that complained last week about duty on cigarettes and alcohol going up. At this point most of the UK government's policies seem to be set by the tabloid media: there was a ridiculous child protection register introduced which required millions of people to sign up as part of an ineffective attempt to stop paedophiles.
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Broomstick wrote: My personal feeling is that if you want to fuck yourself up go ahead - as long as you don't hurt anyone else. .
The problem with that is if you fuck yourself so bad you are unable to contribute to society, ie support yourself, who will pay for your bills, medical or otherwise. That of course depends on the drugs and how much you use, alcohol being a pertinent example. One way we might compensate is to restrict its supply eg via taxes (so its less profitable) and demand (via similar method), and at least with the taxes you can use it to pay for their care. There does however come a point where if someone is unable to work I find it hard to believe whatever taxes they paid for in the past could offset their welfare costs.
Teleros wrote: Not to mention the Chinese aren't being forced to sell us something to keep all that silver currency in circulation in the international markets ;) . Plus it appears legal (for now, anyway), which I suppose is a step or two up from what we Brits did in China :P ..
When the UK does outlaw it apparently they have already come up with a few substitutes along the way. Or maybe China will use its vast foreign reserves and buy out UK companies or bribe politicians. This will be known as sovereign wealth fund diplomacy. :lol: Despite myself I cracked up just thinking of the irony.
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stormthebeaches wrote:Not banning alcohol is based in science. Last time I checked, probation was a miserable failure.
How exactly is a historical failure due to culture and addiction science?
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Broomstick wrote: My personal feeling is that if you want to fuck yourself up go ahead - as long as you don't hurt anyone else. .
The problem with that is if you fuck yourself so bad you are unable to contribute to society, ie support yourself, who will pay for your bills, medical or otherwise. That of course depends on the drugs and how much you use, alcohol being a pertinent example. One way we might compensate is to restrict its supply eg via taxes (so its less profitable) and demand (via similar method), and at least with the taxes you can use it to pay for their care. There does however come a point where if someone is unable to work I find it hard to believe whatever taxes they paid for in the past could offset their welfare costs.
Well, as I said, it's OK as long as you don't hurt anyone else and deliberately making yourself a burden is harmful to others, isn't it? That's the thing, no addict lives in total isolation from society.

What it comes down to is that moderate use can be acceptable, but not heavy abuse or addiction. There needs to be treatment available for those who can't handle recreational use and get into trouble. Unfortunately, we don't have a really good treatment model right now.
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