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The very essence of Nerd Rage.Jim Raynor wrote: This seems to me like he's making (another) criticism out of nothing.
Who cares who the movie is aimed at? If the plot is all over the place then it will be hard to follow.Elfdart wrote: It takes a special form of retardation to be unable to follow the plot of a movie aimed at 10-year-old boys.
All this nerd rage about RedLetterMedia's prequel reviews is just more proof that RLM is the greatest film analyst of all time.Elfdart wrote:The very essence of Nerd Rage.Jim Raynor wrote: This seems to me like he's making (another) criticism out of nothing.
It takes a special form of retardation to be unable to follow the plot of a movie aimed at 10-year-old boys.
Anakin obviously knew where the target vehicle was coming out from, given the fact that he didn't follow the assassin into the tunnel and calmly waited outside where he could get the drop on her as she came out the exit he knew she was going to use. He looked down, TWICE, before jumping, and then adjusted his course as he fell down. The target vehicle was moving but in a predictable straight line, and Anakin had a LOT of distance to work out his intercept with.Channel72 wrote:Yeah, Anakin found it slightly difficult to jump out of a flying car and land on a specific vehicle moving at high-speeds thousands of feet below. Please, is that supposed to actually address the point here?
Hmm, maybe someone in the SW universe is aware of the capabilities of SW tech?The entire scene is riddled with implausibly reckless stunts which erode away any sense that these characters are in any real danger. Obi-Wan jumps out of the window into mid-air traffic, hangs on to a small droid (which he apparently somehow knew would be able to carry his weight),
It's an action scene in the sky. What the fuck are they supposed to do if not fall? The characters clearly don't think it's no big deal, unless they happen to be in control of how it happens, like Anakin. Who was shown to be cocky, and whose actions Obi-Wan disapproved of anyway.then falls thousands of feet only to safely land in Anakin's car. Then, Anakin jumps out of the car and falls thousands of feet, and Obi-Wan just basically rolls his eyes.
These are not plot holes. Does The Jedi are opposed to fear and attachment (as Yoda himself makes clear when talking to Anakin), and just don't give a shit about buying Anakin's mom off of her relatively comfortable state of slavery. She wasn't in mortal, life-threatening danger as far as they knew.The two most obvious plot-related problems in the entire movie (waiting 10 years to rescue Anakin's mother and the obvious connection between the Clone army and the Separatists)
Elfdart had it right, the movies really AREN'T that hard for people to understand, including kids. Prequel bashers seem to be the exception though.Gramzamber wrote:As for the assassination business, it's all retarded. Why do they want to kill Amidala? Because of her anti-military bill? So they want to make her a martyr?
Please. There's nothing in AOTC that you wouldn't find in a typical Errol Flynn movie.Rye wrote:RLM makes several very good points on the target audience problems AotC has; I think his analysis as business and toys first, story second is dead on, as is the point about trying to appeal to everyone and ending up with a mish-mash, and finally, the fairest one is how a film aimed at ten year olds probably shouldn't have mass murder, violent dismemberment and boring political scenes.
So if you don't like the review to the point of not even watching it through, why are you posting on a thread devoted to discussing the review itself?Jim Raynor wrote:Another point (that I read in this thread, because I'm not putting up with this guy's droning voice) I'd like to dispute
But why was Amidala convinced that Count Dooku, the separatist leader, was behind the assassination? How did she arrive at that conclusion other than reading the script? And after they reveal to the audience that Dooku is a prime suspect in the first 2 minutes of the film before the audience even knows who the fuck Dooku is the film then makes a halfassed attempt at being a political thriller.LordOskuro wrote:Elfdart had it right, the movies really AREN'T that hard for people to understand, including kids. Prequel bashers seem to be the exception though.
Kill Padme, and you've removed an obstacle in the Palpatine's way. Also, you can blame the Separatists and use her death to justify the Republic's militarization.
I thought the film made it clear that Sifo-Dyas was just a dead Jedi Master whom Dooku impersonated to place the order. Since Jango Fett admits flat out he was hired "by a man called Tyranus".Which reminds me: who in the fuck is Sifodiyas? Who ordered him to order the clone army? Was he also in cahoots with Palpatine or was he duped?
What the fuck is this? I can't sit through Glenn Beck's bullshit show either. I'm not allowed to criticize his crap if I read about it online?LordOskuro wrote:So if you don't like the review to the point of not even watching it through, why are you posting on a thread devoted to discussing the review itself?
Padme: "I think that Count Dooku is behind it."Kane Starkiller wrote:But why was Amidala convinced that Count Dooku, the separatist leader, was behind the assassination?
The Jedi don't believe he's a suspect at all (and quickly tell you everything you need to know about him), and Obi-Wan's entire job is to uncover the conspiracy. A conspiracy that's really about the creation of the Clones, and helping Palpatine secure his power. Dooku is a pawn.And after they reveal to the audience that Dooku is a prime suspect in the first 2 minutes of the film before the audience even knows who the fuck Dooku is the film then makes a halfassed attempt at being a political thriller.
I don't remember any indication that Dooku impersonated Sifodyas. Obviously Sifodyas and Tyranus were somehow connected but what the connection was never explained.Vympel wrote:I thought the film made it clear that Sifo-Dyas was just a dead Jedi Master whom Dooku impersonated to place the order. Since Jango Fett admits flat out he was hired "by a man called Tyranus".
That is not speculation but pure guesswork. If there is no army then there is no chance of opposing secession if a world so desires. Therefore the goal of every secessionist would be to prevent the creation of an army. Unless he is in cahoots with Palpatine which Padme isn't supposed to know. She might as well suspect a pro-republic guy like Palpatine since he could use her death even more easily.Jim Raynor wrote:Padme: "I think that Count Dooku is behind it."
Is someone not allowed to speculate now? At the beginning of the movie, it is clear that tensions are rising between both sides and that there are people on both sides pushing for an escalation of hostilities. Padme is part of the faction in the Republic pushing for peaceful negotiations. It's not hard to to guess that those negotiations don't involve giving away a sizable chunk of the Republic's territory. Dooku is the leader of the Separatist movement, and the creation of a Republic Army would be just what he needs to justify secession.
The Jedi don't believe but the audience already treats him as a suspect even before he is first seen because Padme said so with conviction and Jedi only provide a standard movie lameass "he was our friend so he couldn't have done that" defense. The viewer is lightyears ahead of the clueless Jedi as to who is ultimately behind the creation of the army and for what reasons while at the same time having no clue how exactly it was pulled off since it was never explained in the film.Jim Raynor wrote:The Jedi don't believe he's a suspect at all, and Obi-Wan's entire job is to uncover the conspiracy. A conspiracy that's really about the creation of the Clones, and helping Palpatne secure his power. Dooku is a pawn.
Same shit. Padme has a hunch and none of the other characters believe her anyway. This has no actual effect on the plot, other than to set up a few quick lines where the Jedi give their opinions on Dooku.Kane Starkiller wrote:That is not speculation but pure guesswork.
Seriously, it's not that hard. Padme is striving for peaceful negotiations; if she has her way then the Separatist movement is deflated without a fight and they just stay under the Republic's control. A hawk who wants to secede would very understandably want her dead.If there is no army then there is no chance of opposing secession if a world so desires. Therefore the goal of every secessionist would be to prevent the creation of an army.
A few lines to set up a new henchman villain of the movie, what a "half-assed political thriller." Give me a break. There was very little shown on Dooku at that point; for all you know he might have been another victim of Palpatine's manipulations. Regardless, even IF the viewer wants to guess ahead there are still the questions of what the Separatist's plans are, and how Obi-Wan is supposed to trace the assassination back to them...and SW isn't even a freaking mystery. It's an action series full of spaceship chases and magical sword fights. Big deal if some minor villain gets name-dropped early in the movie.The Jedi don't believe but the audience already treats him as a suspect even before he is first seen because Padme said so with conviction and Jedi only provide a standard movie lameass "he was our friend so he couldn't have done that" defense.
No it's not. Speculation implies some kind of reasoning. Padme provides none. And it's true it doesn't have an effect on the plot so why give it away? Why mention Dooku in the first place?Jim Raynor wrote:Same shit. Padme has a hunch and none of the other characters believe her anyway. This has no actual effect on the plot, other than to set up a few quick lines where the Jedi give their opinions on Dooku.
That doesn't make any sense. Separatist movement was created because starsystems wanted to get out of the Republic and by the time AOTC starts they are already churning out droids to deal with any possible Republic attempts to stop them. Now the movement is in danger of being deflated? Why because Padme asks them nicely to stay? They were ready to have her publicly executed by animal mutilation in front of cheering crowds. Seems to me the sentiment in the separatist worlds isn't exactly favorable for Padme. Of course this is yet another stupidity: all that sneaky assassination attempts through 10 intermediaries only to have her executed Roman style in public and with the attendance of the entire separatist leadership. It doesn't make any fucking sense.Jim Raynor wrote:Seriously, it's not that hard. Padme is striving for peaceful negotiations; if she has her way then the Separatist movement is deflated without a fight and they just stay under the Republic's control. A hawk who wants to secede would very understandably want her dead.
Yes although now the times have changed and the only reason Trade Federation would want her dead is personal revenge. Which is actually the case making the movie even more stupid. In any case Padme should then suspect Nute Gunray and not jump immediately to Dooku since back then separatist alliance didn't even exist.Jim Raynor wrote:Nevermind that the Separatists consist of several amoral big businesses, including the one that tried to kill her ten years ago.
Thanks. I saw the movie.Jim Raynor wrote:Anakin obviously knew where the target vehicle was coming out from, given the fact that he didn't follow the assassin into the tunnel and calmly waited outside where he could get the drop on her as she came out the exit he knew she was going to use. He looked down, TWICE, before jumping, and then adjusted his course as he fell down. The target vehicle was moving but in a predictable straight line, and Anakin had a LOT of distance to work out his intercept with.
Again, thanks. I already know the Jedi have enhanced timing and physical attributes. Nothing you say here addresses the point. You're just describing what happens in the scene. The point is the scene is totally uncompelling, because the Jedi never seem to be in any actual danger. Obi-Wan doesn't even really give a shit that Anakin jumped out of a car and fell thousands of feet.Jim Raynor wrote:Turns out Jedi have enhanced timing and physical attributes? What bullshit! I mean, this was totally less believable and more scene-ruining than Batman crushing Scarecrow's car with his feet, or Kirk negating all fucking wind as he dropped a shitload of kilometers down in a perfectly straight line and landed on a platform no more than a couple dozen meters across!
Yeah, so Anakin struggled somewhat when he landed on the speeder. So what? What's the worst that could happen? If he falls again he'll probably just use the force to land safely on some other vehicle. Sorry, but I just don't buy that he's ever in any danger here. Apparently, neither does Obi-Wan.Jim Raynor wrote:And don't dodge the main point of our discussion, which was RLM's opinion that this feat made Anakin too godlike and negated the sense of danger for the rest of the scene. Which is bullshit, because as I pointed out in my last post, Anakin was immediately challenged and shown to be in danger upon reaching the assassin's speeder.
You're right; it completely makes sense that Obi-Wan would be familiar with the weight capacity of that particular model of assassin droid. Silly me, Obi-Wan probably reads assassin droid manuals all the time, just in case something like this happens.Jim Raynor wrote:Hmm, maybe someone in the SW universe is aware of the capabilities of SW tech?
Oh boy. Yeah, she wasn't in mortal life-threatening danger; she was just a human slave with a bomb in her brain.Jim Raynor wrote:These are not plot holes. Does The Jedi are opposed to fear and attachment (as Yoda himself makes clear when talking to Anakin), and just don't give a shit about buying Anakin's mom off of her relatively comfortable state of slavery. She wasn't in mortal, life-threatening danger as far as they knew.
An internal investigation into the creation of these clones would have been a good fucking start, considering: 1) the insanely fucking suspicious circumstances behind their creation, 2) the obvious link between the Separatists and the clones, and 3) their sudden appearance coinciding with the outbreak of a galactic war and the reemergence of the Sith no less.Jim Raynor wrote:The clones are not a plot hole either. The Jedi are aware of the army's suspicious origins. As shown when Yoda and Mace Windu discuss how their ability to use the Force has been clouded, and how they must have been blind if they couldn't see the army's creation. But what the fuck are they supposed to do when Dooku assembles the most powerful military force in galactic history, and the Republic has nothing else to respond with?
Got any actual points besides smarmy sacrasm?Channel72 wrote:Thanks. I saw the movie.
Fuck you and your bullshit. I very directly addressed the claim that Anakin's feat made him invincible for the rest of the scene, by showing how much preparation (full stop, 12 seconds, prior knowledge of the exit location, looking down twice) that went into accomplishing it. Proving that it was nowhere near something that Anakin could pull out at any other moment of the scene.Jim Raynor wrote:Again, thanks. I already know the Jedi have enhanced timing and physical attributes. Nothing you say here addresses the point. You're just describing what happens in the scene.
"Obi-Wan doesn't even really give a shit." No, he very clearly says he "hates" it when Anakin does things like that. Is Obi-Wan supposed to get emotional or something? People like you would probably complain that he's being out-of-character then.The point is the scene is totally uncompelling, because the Jedi never seem to be in any actual danger. Obi-Wan doesn't even really give a shit that Anakin jumped out of a car and fell thousands of feet.
Because Jedi have no limits, and they have no need for preparation or concentration in order to use their powers. And Anakin's immune to blaster fire. And it doesn't matter if the assassin gets away.Jim Raynor wrote:Yeah, so Anakin struggled somewhat when he landed on the speeder. So what? What's the worst that could happen? If he falls again he'll probably just use the force to land safely on some other vehicle.
Because floating droids are an oddity in SW now, and "that particular model" of droid must somehow be completely different.Jim Raynor wrote:You're right; it completely makes sense that Obi-Wan would be familiar with the weight capacity of that particular model of assassin droid. Silly me, Obi-Wan probably reads assassin droid manuals all the time, just in case something like this happens.
Point? The Jedi don't give a fuck about Anakin's attachments to his previous life, as Yoda tells Anakin himself.Jim Raynor wrote:Oh boy. Yeah, she wasn't in mortal life-threatening danger; she was just a human slave with a bomb in her brain.
Is that before Yoda was forced to activate them to rescue the other Jedi on Geonosis?Jim Raynor wrote:An internal investigation into the creation of these clones would have been a good fucking start,
First of all, it doesn't matter at all if Padme was just arbitrarily naming Dooku. She's guessing and nobody believes her. Secondly, I provided reasons: Separatist hawks would want her dead, and those Separatists include the Trade Federation who already tried to kill her in the past.Kane Starkiller wrote:No it's not. Speculation implies some kind of reasoning. Padme provides none.
It was a quick way to get some expository lines in. I saw a few minutes of Retarded Loser Media's review, and he even argued for the addition of a "fish out of water" character who would have things explained to him, so that the audience would have things explained to him. Guess what role Padme was playing in this very scene?And it's true it doesn't have an effect on the plot so why give it away? Why mention Dooku in the first place?
The Techno Union was churning out battledroids, and furthermore it doesn't matter if the rest of the Separatist worlds were building up arms. If the negotiations work and their citizens agree to some compromise that they could live with (while still living under the Republic's rule), then the Separatist movement falls apart. No war, no secession.That doesn't make any sense. Separatist movement was created because starsystems wanted to get out of the Republic and by the time AOTC starts they are already churning out droids to deal with any possible Republic attempts to stop them. Now the movement is in danger of being deflated? Why because Padme asks them nicely to stay?
One alien culture with a barbaric gladiator tradition in the Outer Rim. After Padme and Anakin got caught breaking into one of their war factories.They were ready to have her publicly executed by animal mutilation in front of cheering crowds. Seems to me the sentiment in the separatist worlds isn't exactly favorable for Padme.
It makes sense just fine, except to you. A clandestine assassination can light a fire under the Republic's ass, without being directly attributable to the Separatists so that they can still maintain their populist image. After Padme gets caught breaking into a factory? Execute her on some trumped up charges of espionage and sabotage and get the war you wanted anyway.Of course this is yet another stupidity: all that sneaky assassination attempts through 10 intermediaries only to have her executed Roman style in public and with the attendance of the entire separatist leadership. It doesn't make any fucking sense.
And get the war, since they're a part of the Separatists. Jesus Christ man.Yes although now the times have changed and the only reason Trade Federation would want her dead is personal revenge. Which is actually the case making the movie even more stupid.
In any case Padme should then suspect Nute Gunray and not jump immediately to Dooku since back then separatist alliance didn't even exist.
I actually made a mistake earlier. As of the beginning of AOTC, the Trade Federation's membership in the Separatists isn't a known fact yet. Later, when Padme arrives on Naboo, she states her belief that the Separatists will turn to the Trade Federation and the other big businesses for help. Likely because the Trade Fed was already pulling the Tea Bagger, anti-tax, "fuck the Republic" shit years ago. So if Padme's thinks the Separatists want her dead, Dooku is the one she'll point to.Opening crawl wrote:Several thousand solar systems have declared their intention to leave the Republic.
This separatist movement, under the leadership of Count Dooku,
This is tiresome; you keep missing the point. Please give me a reason to believe that Anakin would die if he fell from the speeder at any arbitrary point during this scene. If he can survive falling thousands of feet by safely landing on a moving vehicle, there's no particular reason to suppose he wouldn't survive if he fell again, and landed on yet another car, or even on the ground. He can obviously use the force to glide and control his fall on a whim. Therefore, there's no sense of danger in this scene.Jim Raynor wrote:Fuck you and your bullshit. I very directly addressed the claim that Anakin's feat made him invincible for the rest of the scene, by showing how much preparation (full stop, 12 seconds, prior knowledge of the exit location, looking down twice) that went into accomplishing it. Proving that it was nowhere near something that Anakin could pull out at any other moment of the scene.
I refuse to believe you're actually this dense. Anakin jumps out of a flying vehicle and Obi-Wan just quips "I hate it when he does that", as if Anakin merely changed the radio to another station or something. If Obi-Wan believed Anakin was in serious danger he would have jumped into the driver seat and tried to intercept his fall. Instead, he just sits there looking mildly pissed.Jim Raynor wrote:"Obi-Wan doesn't even really give a shit." No, he very clearly says he "hates" it when Anakin does things like that. Is Obi-Wan supposed to get emotional or something? People like you would probably complain that he's being out-of-character then.
Blaster fire has nothing to do with this. We're talking about the chase scene in Episode II. Please stay focused. Also, I never said it doesn't matter if the assassin gets away.Jim Raynor wrote:Because Jedi have no limits, and they have no need for preparation or concentration in order to use their powers. And Anakin's immune to blaster fire. And it doesn't matter if the assassin gets away.Channel72 wrote:Yeah, so Anakin struggled somewhat when he landed on the speeder. So what? What's the worst that could happen? If he falls again he'll probably just use the force to land safely on some other vehicle.
Are you retarded or something? Obviously, since you live on Earth in the real world, you must automatically know the weight capacity of every model of forklift. (Hint: you don't.)Jim Raynor wrote:Because floating droids are an oddity in SW now, and "that particular model" of droid must somehow be completely different.
Now you're just backpedaling. You made it a point to mention that the Jedi believed that "[Anakin's mother] wasn't in mortal, life-threatening danger", implying that if she was in mortal, life-threatening danger, the Jedi might have saved her. So the whole anti-attachment bullshit is simply a red-herring. The fact is, she was a human-slave with a bomb in her brain, living on a backwards planet controlled by gangsters, and she could be treated like property and sold to anyone at any time. Far from living in a "relatively comfortable state of slavery", her comfort was quite precarious.Jim Raynor wrote:Point? The Jedi don't give a fuck about Anakin's attachments to his previous life, as Yoda tells Anakin himself.
That would obviously be after Geonosis, or any time really during the war. Just because the Republic was forced into using the army doesn't excuse their collective amnesia regarding the whole conspiracy behind the creation of the army.Jim Raynor wrote:Is that before Yoda was forced to activate them to rescue the other Jedi on Geonosis?Channel72 wrote:An internal investigation into the creation of these clones would have been a good fucking start,
Was I dreaming this all up, or was the reason Sam Jackson was in the movie because he begged George to let him play a role, any role?Rye wrote:RLM makes several very good points on the target audience problems AotC has; I think his analysis as business and toys first, story second is dead on, as is the point about trying to appeal to everyone and ending up with a mish-mash, and finally, the fairest one is how a film aimed at ten year olds probably shouldn't have mass murder, violent dismemberment and boring political scenes.
Bull fucking shit. You're not bringing up valid points.Channel72 wrote:This is tiresome; you keep missing the point.
I can give you a fucking list:Please give me a reason to believe that Anakin would die if he fell from the speeder at any arbitrary point during this scene.
What kind of no-limits stupidity is this? Nevermind that he needed time and preparation to make his first big fall, as I've brought up again and again.If he can survive falling thousands of feet by safely landing on a moving vehicle, there's no particular reason to suppose he wouldn't survive if he fell again, and landed on yet another car, or even on the ground.
I fully believe that you ARE this dense.I refuse to believe you're actually this dense.
Changing the radio station? Glad to see that you're just pulling bullshit analogies out of your ass now. No, Obi-Wan doesn't fucking freak out; he's a Jedi and trained to suppress his emotions. The implication of the line itself is that Anakin has done such things before, but that these things still concern Obi-Wan. Like a father seeing his teenage son attempting stupid ass stunts.Anakin jumps out of a flying vehicle and Obi-Wan just quips "I hate it when he does that", as if Anakin merely changed the radio to another station or something. If Obi-Wan believed Anakin was in serious danger he would have jumped into the driver seat and tried to intercept his fall. Instead, he just sits there looking mildly pissed.
God fucking damn it, the assassin shoots at Anakin in the fucking chase scene.Blaster fire has nothing to do with this. We're talking about the chase scene in Episode II. Please stay focused.
Hint: I have a general certainty that the forklift can support the weight of a single human.Are you retarded or something? Obviously, since you live on Earth in the real world, you must automatically know the weight capacity of every model of forklift. (Hint: you don't.)
Backpedaling my ass. We fucking SAW their slave life in TPM; it includes living in your own house, non-grueling work, and down time with which you can pursue hobbies such as building your own fucking droid or pod racer. Is slavery of any kind fair? No. But the Jedi don't give a flying fuck.Now you're just backpedaling. You made it a point to mention that the Jedi believed that "[Anakin's mother] wasn't in mortal, life-threatening danger", implying that if she was in mortal, life-threatening danger, the Jedi might have saved her. So the whole anti-attachment bullshit is simply a red-herring. The fact is, she was a human-slave with a bomb in her brain, living on a backwards planet controlled by gangsters, and she could be treated like property and sold to anyone at any time. Far from living in a "relatively comfortable state of slavery", her comfort was quite precarious.
Qui-Gon, the guy who's explictly stated to be a maverick who was shut out of the Council because of organizational politics? Did you even watch the fucking movies before subscribing to such bullshit beliefs about them?Also, considering that Qui-Gon specifically tried to free her in Episode I, failing only due to temporary circumstances, it's hard to believe that nobody else tried to do so in the intervening 10 years.
All several minutes of the movie, which were spent on a single fucking Jedi talk (where they express their concerns about the situation), Palpatine's Nazi-like military march and Anakin and Padme's wedding?That would obviously be after Geonosis,
The Jedi KNOW there's another Sith Lord out there already. And did you miss those parts where they're distrustful of the Chancellor and try to use Anakin as a spy? Nevermind that they have their hands full fighting the first all-out war in a thousand years.or any time really during the war.
So nobody might be suspicious that the person opposing Palptaine's desires is conveniently killed?Jim Raynor wrote:
Kill Padme, and you've removed an obstacle in the Palpatine's way. Also, you can blame the Separatists and use her death to justify the Republic's militarization.
It matters to the audience since it was never explained why she thinks Dooku specifically is behind the attack rather than a pro republic hawk or Nute Gunray etc.Jim Raynor wrote:First of all, it doesn't matter at all if Padme was just arbitrarily naming Dooku. She's guessing and nobody believes her. Secondly, I provided reasons: Separatist hawks would want her dead, and those Separatists include the Trade Federation who already tried to kill her in the past.
Plenty of ways to provide exposition to Dooku, a supposedly mysterious figure, without making him a suspect in the first two minutes if political intrigue is the way the movie is supposed to go.Jim Raynor wrote:It was a quick way to get some expository lines in. I saw a few minutes of Retarded Loser Media's review, and he even argued for the addition of a "fish out of water" character who would have things explained to him, so that the audience would have things explained to him. Guess what role Padme was playing in this very scene?
Techno Union was still a part of the separatist alliance and they were obviously gearing up for war. Padme was a dupe who had no clue clonetroopers were donning their helmets and boarding the Acclamators even as she fought against the creation of the Clone Army. How is such an irrelevant figure supposed to make anything happen? All Dooku had to do was send spies to Kamino and have them return with stories of a huge ass army ready for battle and voila Padme is a fucking liar trying to lull the separatists into a false sense of security.Jim Raynor wrote:The Techno Union was churning out battledroids, and furthermore it doesn't matter if the rest of the Separatist worlds were building up arms. If the negotiations work and their citizens agree to some compromise that they could live with (while still living under the Republic's rule), then the Separatist movement falls apart. No war, no secession.
No still doesn't make any fucking sense at all. If they wanted her dead why not simply put a blaster bolt through her head and dump her in a smelting pit? Why the very public and gory execution of a Republic senator? She was spying? Jedi and a Republic senator were spying? The only way that is a valid accusation is if the separatist planets are already de iure as well de facto independent in which case what the fuck was Padme supposed to accomplish by talks?Jim Raynor wrote:It makes sense just fine, except to you. A clandestine assassination can light a fire under the Republic's ass, without being directly attributable to the Separatists so that they can still maintain their populist image. After Padme gets caught breaking into a factory? Execute her on some trumped up charges of espionage and sabotage and get the war you wanted anyway.
You are confusing Palpatine's master plan with what separatist plan was. Separatists wanted to...well...separate. Preferably without a war. And certainly without Darth Vader executing them after they have served Palpatine's plans. So again: why were they itching for Padme's death.Jim Raynor wrote:And get the war, since they're a part of the Separatists. Jesus Christ man.
None of this explains why they would want to kill a senator which they thought was actually preventing the Republic from taking decisive action.Jim Raynor wrote:I actually made a mistake earlier. As of the beginning of AOTC, the Trade Federation's membership in the Separatists isn't a known fact yet. Later, when Padme arrives on Naboo, she states her belief that the Separatists will turn to the Trade Federation and the other big businesses for help. Likely because the Trade Fed was already pulling the Tea Bagger, anti-tax, "fuck the Republic" shit years ago. So if Padme's thinks the Separatists want her dead, Dooku is the one she'll point to.
I believe the context of that was in relation to George Lucas' tirade against his older fans because they felt he had made it too kiddy with Jar Jar and silly droids and stuff like that, George said something along the lines of 'Star Wars has always been for children'. It's not that it's too violent, its just that if it's a movie that's supposed to be 'kiddy' as opposed to 'family friendly' why does it have all the mass murder, implied rape, death at child birth, slaughtered children, dismemberment, political drama, dry politics talk, senate meetings, etc. It's not that all that is inappropriate or offensive, it was just a jab at Lucas for misinterpreting his own creation's target audience. It's fine for Star Wars to have all that stuff, just take out the cringe-inducing 'kiddy' stuff so that it can get back to being 'family friendly', that pointless and jarringly stupid stuff alienates everyone but the young children.Jim Raynor wrote:Another point (that I read in this thread, because I'm not putting up with this guy's droning voice) I'd like to dispute: SW is too dark and scary for the kids now? I didn't know relatively clean and instantly cauterized sword cuts were too much to handle. I guess I must have been really brave for sitting through movies where people were stabbed or shot with all the associated blood when I was a near-teen! Those people at the MPAA must have also been full of shit for giving this movie a PG rating. I also guess the original trilogy couldn't decide on its target audience either, given the fact that they had the same exact level of violence.
"Boring" political scenes. A few minutes (tops) spent on showing the deterioration of democracy as the Republic geared up for total war are boring now. Differen't strokes, I guess.
You are one dumb twat.takemeout_totheblack wrote: I believe the context of that was in relation to George Lucas' tirade against his older fans because they felt he had made it too kiddy with Jar Jar and silly droids and stuff like that, George said something along the lines of 'Star Wars has always been for children'. It's not that it's too violent, its just that if it's a movie that's supposed to be 'kiddy' as opposed to 'family friendly' why does it have all the mass murder, implied rape, death at child birth, slaughtered children, dismemberment, political drama, dry politics talk, senate meetings, etc.
You and Heathcliffe know more about Star Wars than George Lucas. Right.It's not that all that is inappropriate or offensive, it was just a jab at Lucas for misinterpreting his own creation's target audience.
You stand corrected.It's fine for Star Wars to have all that stuff, just take out the cringe-inducing 'kiddy' stuff so that it can get back to being 'family friendly', that pointless and jarringly stupid stuff alienates everyone but the young children losers afflicted with chronic Nerd Rage.
