Miss. Prom Canceled Rather Than Let Lesbian Student Attend

[Lord Pounder]

Yeah as if people with that mindset would use the world heterosexuality-challenged, they have much more direct language. You obtuse ass kissing wannabe retard.

Just whose the fuck ass am I supposed to be kissing, asswipe?

If it wasn't clear to you that that statement was me mocking the people who should be enlightened about these kinds of things (school teachers) but are obviously fuckheaded morons (as in this story,) then you're eithering a fucking failure of detecting sarcasm, or a disingenous shit with pus for brains.

Since the day and hour you joined this board you've been a worthless me-too bitch especially in N&P with the only real contribution you offered the lulz about your trailer trash mother and the debt she owes you.

[Edi]

ShadowDragon8685, that gallows humor of yours falls flat on its face precisely because there were only five people in the "official" prom and they were the outcasts and "undesirables". The kids with developmental problems and the lesbian couple, so yeah, the kind of joke you made would be exactly the kind of thing that would probably be flying around in the private prom party where all the other kids went.

"At least the carpet muncher has a chance of being Prom Queen!"
"Heh, they'll make the retard Prom King 'cause they have nobody else! Bwahahahaaaa!"

And so on and so forth in that vein, vicious as all hell. Making even more targets of those people, when the whole idea of the separate prom was to stigmatize them and make them feel like shit and to provide everyone else in the town an excuse to laugh and sneer at them.

So no, that gallows humor just doesn't fucking work. Like I said, the rest of the post as well as your other posts in this thread give enough context that it is clear what you meant to do, even though your execution and presentation of your intent was totally fucked up. If you had just posted that joke in this thread without the other posts to provide context, it'd have been taken as a homophobic, bigoted crack and you'd have been banned.

You need to work on your perception skills and your social acumen, because if you don't, you're just going to keep putting your feet in your mouth and kicking time and again. Not everyone has the same frame of reference you do. Even some of those who do will not see things the same way you see them.

Anybody who's been a target of serious bullying is not going to see your joke as even borderline funny, intended or not, for one example of a different frame of reference.

[Night_stalker]

Yep, so ShadowDragon, you might want to begin getting your foot out of your mouth. Incidentally, I'm not idealistic, I just know that the press can bring lots of heat to bear on any situation.

[Dalton]

Yep, so ShadowDragon, you might want to begin getting your foot out of your mouth.

What the fuck is this? More me-too ass-kissing? Did we ask for your opinion? Since when does the peanut gallery get to comment on moderator warnings?

[Alyrium Denryle]

The kids with developmental problems and the lesbian couple

Thats.... really fucked up.

So they intentionally excluded the lesbian couple AND the special ed kids? What the hell? I did not notice the second part.

[Night_stalker]

Lesson 1: NEVER,EVER get on a mod's bad side. And I wasn't aware that providing some form of commentary was illegal, my mistake. Sorry ShadowDragon, it won't happen again.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Yeah as if people with that mindset would use the world heterosexuality-challenged, they have much more direct language. You obtuse ass kissing wannabe retard.

Just whose the fuck ass am I supposed to be kissing, asswipe?

If it wasn't clear to you that that statement was me mocking the people who should be enlightened about these kinds of things (school teachers) but are obviously fuckheaded morons (as in this story,) then you're eithering a fucking failure of detecting sarcasm, or a disingenous shit with pus for brains.

Since the day and hour you joined this board you've been a worthless me-too bitch especially in N&P with the only real contribution you offered the lulz about your trailer trash mother and the debt she owes you.

And since the day and hour you were squirted from your mother's womb you've been a worthless cuntstain who likes to jump on people whose popularity is low because they're unafraid to say something, even if others get upset about it. Fuck off, die in a fire, the usual.

ShadowDragon8685, that gallows humor of yours falls flat on its face precisely because there were only five people in the "official" prom and they were the outcasts and "undesirables". The kids with developmental problems and the lesbian couple, so yeah, the kind of joke you made would be exactly the kind of thing that would probably be flying around in the private prom party where all the other kids went.

"At least the carpet muncher has a chance of being Prom Queen!"
"Heh, they'll make the retard Prom King 'cause they have nobody else! Bwahahahaaaa!"

And so on and so forth in that vein, vicious as all hell. Making even more targets of those people, when the whole idea of the separate prom was to stigmatize them and make them feel like shit and to provide everyone else in the town an excuse to laugh and sneer at them.

And it's funny because it stands to reason that their plan to stigmatize them very possibly could backfire into the school and student body getting the least-popular girl in school crowned prom queen and getting her picture put in their yearbooks and hung up wherever they hang the prom queen pictures at the point of a court-order. Perhaps you missed it, so let me make it clear; the emphasis was on the notion of the least-popular girl in school being crowned prom queen by a voting bloc of five of her peers.

Not making fun at her, making fun of them. Perhaps you missed it because you're a comprehensionally-challenged idiot, or simply because you wished to find an excuse to lambaste me. FO, DIAF, the usual.

So no, that gallows humor just doesn't fucking work. Like I said, the rest of the post as well as your other posts in this thread give enough context that it is clear what you meant to do, even though your execution and presentation of your intent was totally fucked up. If you had just posted that joke in this thread without the other posts to provide context, it'd have been taken as a homophobic, bigoted crack and you'd have been banned.

A homophobic bigoted crack would've been the one you said about 'carpet muncher'. I do believe I paid enough due emphasis to the "unpopular" part to make it clear that that was not so. I also think my track record, short as it is, in this thread alone should prove goddamned well that I'm anything but a homophobic bigot. FO, DIAF, TU.

You need to work on your perception skills and your social acumen, because if you don't, you're just going to keep putting your feet in your mouth and kicking time and again. Not everyone has the same frame of reference you do. Even some of those who do will not see things the same way you see them.

Perhaps your perception needs to be worked on.

Anybody who's been a target of serious bullying is not going to see your joke as even borderline funny, intended or not, for one example of a different frame of reference.

Newsflash for you, imbecile, I was just over 400 lbs at last I checked. I have always been a target of serious bullying; so much so that it once provoked me into attacking another student in a way that I went through another teacher and was consequently sent for four years to the school where they send the large uncontrollable students.

I know all about serious bullying. I've been the target of it nearly all my life. Sometimes the only way around is through - fuck, if I'd gotten a chance to be crowned prom king de facto, I'd have shoved it in the face of everyone I knew. If, you know, the place I wound up had a prom. So go fuck yourself.

Yep, so ShadowDragon, you might want to begin getting your foot out of your mouth. Incidentally, I'm not idealistic, I just know that the press can bring lots of heat to bear on any situation.

So, did you have anything more to contribute to the thread besides a desire to earn brownie points with the forum elders by me-too dogpiling the unpopular kid, or are you just a shitstain me-tooer?

Aaaah, new posts: you are just a shitstain me-tooer. Thanks for the clarification. FO, DIAF, TU.

[Night_stalker]

I was just tyring to express my opinion on the matter. I'll just be shutting up now.

[Serafina]

Oh, for fucks sake, ShadowDragon, let it go.

Seriously - while the situation would certainly BE ironic, THINK about it. I suppose you can do that.

First, she would not actually be prom queen, since that is a social status and she is an outcast. Really, it's like saying "congratulations, you are now the king of drug-addicted hobos" - no one respects you for it, and she certainly won't get any respect for it.
Which brings me to the second part - would YOU find it funny if you were in that situation? Especially since that is propably just the kind of jokes that get cracked about her:
"Hey, at least she can be prom queen now (not that that weirdo deserves it, anway)" - they might not say the latter part, but it certainly will be implied.

Honestly, if you don't get it, you are just imcapable of thinking about what you say.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Oh, for fucks sake, ShadowDragon, let it go.

Seriously - while the situation would certainly BE ironic, THINK about it. I suppose you can do that.

First, she would not actually be prom queen, since that is a social status and she is an outcast. Really, it's like saying "congratulations, you are now the king of drug-addicted hobos" - no one respects you for it, and she certainly won't get any respect for it.
Which brings me to the second part - would YOU find it funny if you were in that situation? Especially since that is propably just the kind of jokes that get cracked about her:
"Hey, at least she can be prom queen now (not that that weirdo deserves it, anway)" - they might not say the latter part, but it certainly will be implied.

Honestly, if you don't get it, you are just imcapable of thinking about what you say.

1: Respect's not the point; schadenfreud is. The delicious schadenfreud of them being forced to pay (at least lip service) to the pariah that they would ordinarily have given to the Queen Bitch - especially if forced to do so by court order.
2: No, but I'd certainly try to. I've been on the recieving end of more than any four people's fair share of cruel cracks. And while I wouldn't find it funny, if I managed to get it turned around and shoved down their gullets (as it seems she has a chance to do here,) I'd certainly find the prodigious amounts of crow they'd be gulping down to be fucking hilarious.

Inventing your own silver lining - perhaps you can think about it? Things that are offensive coming from one source are not offensive coming from another.

[Teebs]

What exactly is the prom queen, how is she chosen and does it have any impact beyond being cheered at at the prom? I don't really get the concept (beyond the general idea that the most popular girl gets to be prom queen and wear a crown at the prom) as we didn't have such a thing at my school.

[Serafina]

Look, i actually tought at first "so what'S the big deal" (with your "joke") - THEN i recognized how it is a pretty bad joke that can easily be taken as offensive.

1: Respect's not the point; schadenfreud is. The delicious schadenfreud of them being forced to pay (at least lip service) to the pariah that they would ordinarily have given to the Queen Bitch - especially if forced to do so by court order.

What lipservice? Is cracking jokes about someone now lipservice? Gee, i think she should be happy that people make fun of her instead of ignoring her..right?

Besides, the only damage done here is to her. The others had a great prom and can laugh how she is such ab obvious outcast.
Meanwhile, she might remember this painfully for a long time.

So your schadenfreude is simply totally inappropriate.

[Night_stalker]

What exactly is the prom queen, how is she chosen and does it have any impact beyond being cheered at at the prom? I don't really get the concept (beyond the general idea that the most popular girl gets to be prom queen and wear a crown at the prom) as we didn't have such a thing at my school.

It's a social thing, saying she's somehow better than the rest of the school, I think it varies per school, and I don't know but it can be added to a resume I think. It varies a lot per school I believe.

[Ghost Rider]

What exactly is the prom queen, how is she chosen and does it have any impact beyond being cheered at at the prom? I don't really get the concept (beyond the general idea that the most popular girl gets to be prom queen and wear a crown at the prom) as we didn't have such a thing at my school.

Chosen by vote, which is invariably tied to popularity of said person. No impact other then that, and in fact only remembered if a cornerstone of said person or people's lives. Your knowledge of the concept is sound with the only caveat is that popularity at towards prom time gets skewed depending on the people who are most likely to win.

Other then that? You missed absolutely nothing. Prom was a fun high school bit but only because some schools put effort and money into it.

[WesFox13]

Wow, I can't believe that people would be so cruel to that girl. I mean put her in with the Special Ed class for the prom just because she is a lesbian?

[sarcasm] When the hell are Washington, Oregon and California going to separate from America to become the Republic of Pacifica, so we can no longer associate with the inbred morons that did this?[/sarcasm]

Sarcasm aside, It's because of those people that did this to her is one of the reasons I feel ashamed to be an American. I mean I sometimes think that the South is holding the rest of America back from modernizing to the level of the rest of the first-world.
We are supposed to be better than this in my opinion, I thought America was all about freedom, but I guess that real freedom doesn't matter to these inbred moronic hicks, just the "freedom" for everyone else that thinks like them and they discriminate against everyone who doesn't agree with their moronic Bronze Age desert god/What their preachers say. It makes me sick.

[ShadowDragon8685]

What exactly is the prom queen, how is she chosen and does it have any impact beyond being cheered at at the prom? I don't really get the concept (beyond the general idea that the most popular girl gets to be prom queen and wear a crown at the prom) as we didn't have such a thing at my school.

Neither did I, but I imagine that in most places it gets 'celebrated' by being memorialized in the school's year-book, usually alongside a paragraph or two of damn lies and empty platitudespositive things about the person in question.

Look, i actually tought at first "so what'S the big deal" (with your "joke") - THEN i recognized how it is a pretty bad joke that can easily be taken as offensive.

"Nigger" will get you shot, stabbed, and shot again in some places if you're anything but african-american; but if you are then it's perfectly acceptable to call out to a friend "What's up, my nigger!"

Context! Coming from the people who pulled the fast one, it's purest undiluted hatred, but from a nominal supporter it was meant as a gallows-humor attempt to invent a silver lining, with some long-shot hope of watching crow forced down the throats of those who pulled the fast one.

What lipservice? Is cracking jokes about someone now lipservice? Gee, i think she should be happy that people make fun of her instead of ignoring her..right?

Are you reading impaired, or do you just skim my posts until you find something to contort into a way to criticise me?

Besides, the only damage done here is to her. The others had a great prom and can laugh how she is such an obvious outcast.
Meanwhile, she might remember this painfully for a long time.

If you think I'm not cognizant of that, you're an idiot. Hence, trying to find a silver lining and crackwise about it. Perhaps you only 'recognized' that my joke was potentially offensive after you saw others tearing into me about it and decided to join them.

So your schadenfreude is simply totally inappropriate.

You take your victories where you can. Besides, mine would be vicarious at best; if she's a bloodthirsty bone in her body, though, then she might derive some from getting the school forced (again, at the point of court-order, gritting their teeth the whole time) to produce for her the usual petty prom queen honors and memorialize them as they normally do for all prior winners of that 'august' award.

Wow, I can't believe that people would be so cruel to that girl. I mean put her in with the Special Ed class for the prom just because she is a lesbian?

I... I think you've missed the point. You've missed pretty widely, too.

They tried to cancel the prom because she wanted to wear a tux and bring a girl to the prom after they told her she could not and the court said that she damn well could.

Then they pulled a fast one, said they were putting the prom back on at a country club, but then went and organized a second prom. The "official" prom was the only one that the girl, her girlfriend, and a few other undesirables, including the students with developmental/educational problems, were stuck at; they showed up a country club with only a handful of students, while the majority of the rest of the student body went and partied in the sticks.

They didn't put her in a special ed class (don't give them the idea!,) they sent her and the undesirables to get egg on their faces at a bullshit fake prom.

[sarcasm] When the hell are Washington, Oregon and California going to separate from America to become the Republic of Pacifica, so we can no longer associate with the inbred morons that did this?[/sarcasm]

Oi! You can't do that! New England doesn't deserve to be stuck with the losers alone, you know! (Nor does 'Joisey for that matter!)

If we have to live with 'em, you do, too!

Sarcasm aside, It's because of those people that did this to her is one of the reasons I feel ashamed to be an American. I mean I sometimes think that the South is holding the rest of America back from modernizing to the level of the rest of the first-world.

I agree. I vehemantly agree. Sometimes I think we should have just evacuated all the black people and those sympathetic to them from the South and imposed a naval blocade on the South to prevent more from being brought in and let them have their damn cotton fields.

Come to think of it, sometimes I think it's not too late.

We are supposed to be better than this in my opinion, I thought America was all about freedom, but I guess that real freedom doesn't matter to these inbred moronic hicks, just the "freedom" for everyone else that thinks like them and they discriminate against everyone who doesn't agree with their moronic Bronze Age desert god/What their preachers say. It makes me sick.

"Liberty and Justice for all" is like "innocent until proven guilty" - one of the larger hypocritical lies this country exists on.

[WesFox13]

Well, What I meant was that they left her with the Special Ed class at the fake prom while everyone else was at the party, leaving her out. And I think that discriminating her like that was a really disgusting thing to do. Giving us a repeat of that idiotic "separate but equal" crap that the blacks had to deal with in the South.

[Night_stalker]

Yep, and We need to stop it right now. I recommend personally "accidentally" cutting off all the utilities that the school is getting, until they admit that they're in the wrong.

[Darth Wong]

Yep, and We need to stop it right now. I recommend personally "accidentally" cutting off all the utilities that the school is getting, until they admit that they're in the wrong.

You are seriously recommending that someone commit acts of vandalism in the hopes that the school and community will abruptly change their bigoted religious beliefs as a result? What the fuck are you smoking? How exactly do you plan on "cutting off" all their utilities?

[Night_stalker]

I was kidding, and plus most power lines are above ground, usually.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Well, What I meant was that they left her with the Special Ed class at the fake prom while everyone else was at the party, leaving her out. And I think that discriminating her like that was a really disgusting thing to do. Giving us a repeat of that idiotic "separate but equal" crap that the blacks had to deal with in the South.

I'm sure you mean that it was disgusting to leave her and the special ed students out, right?

And, as some important wag back then said, "seperate but equal, isn't."

[Lord Pounder]

And since the day and hour you were squirted from your mother's womb you've been a worthless cuntstain who likes to jump on people whose popularity is low because they're unafraid to say something, even if others get upset about it. Fuck off, die in a fire, the usual.

I guess you are superior to me after all. I'll let you get back to your long term unemployment and masturbating over way to make your trailer trash mother pay you some money you loaned her one time.

You are afraid to say something, you are a worthless spamming shitehawk who has spent a few weeks reforming posts from your betters and contributing a few lulz when Coffee schooled you. I've been on this board long enough to see a million disposable n00bs like you come and go. If you ever had an original thought in your worthless head it'd die of fucking loneliness. I won't ask you to die, because from your life is so shit even a violent death with your trailer trash mum would be a sweet release.

[Alyeska]

ShadowDragon8685's comment was not wisely selected. Everyone else, shut the fuck up. Seriously. Drop it. No more commentary on ShadowDragon8685 or I begin to liberally HOS things with less then pleasant results. Pounder, you will stop now. Back on topic.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Update to the story:

(CNN) -- A school district in Mississippi has agreed to pay a recent high school graduate $35,000 in damages and adopt a policy prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation, according to a statement released Tuesday by the American Civil Liberties Union.

The settlement comes after the ACLU sued the school district in Fulton, Mississippi, on behalf of Constance McMillen, a lesbian teen who was told by Itawamba Agricultural High School officials she and her girlfriend would be ejected if they attended the school-sponsored prom.

The agreement, which was filed Tuesday, ends the lawsuit.

"I'm so glad this is all over. I won't ever get my prom back, but it's worth it if it changes things at my school," McMillen said in a statement released Tuesday.

The prom, originally scheduled for April 2, was eventually canceled by school board officials who previously said they reached their decision based on "the education, safety and well-being of [its] students."

Officials at McMillen's former high school are not commenting at this time, and a call to the north Mississippi school district seeking comment Tuesday wasn't immediately returned.

According to the ACLU statement, McMillen "suffered humiliation and harassment after parents, students and school officials executed a cruel plan to put on a decoy prom for her while the rest of her classmates were at a private prom 30 miles away."

McMillen believes the alternative prom she was sent to was a sham because only a handful of people attended. "A lot of people were talking about how it was a joke just set up for me," she previously said.

In March, a federal judge ruled that McMillen's First Amendment rights were violated when her school district refused to let her attend her prom in a tux with a girl.

That was good news, said her attorney, Christine Sun, senior counsel with the ACLU's lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender project. It set a precedent and helped broadcast an important statement, which was made stronger by virtue of where it came from, she said.

"We're in a conservative area of the country, where people tend to think we can do what we like," said Sun, who lives in New York but has traveled multiple times to Mississippi on McMillen's behalf. "This case sends a strong message that that's not going to fly anymore."

In 2004, the national gay rights group GLSEN -- the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network -- issued a report that said of all 50 states, Mississippi had the most hostile environment for gay youths.

"We hope this judgment sends a message to schools that they cannot get away with discriminating against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students," said Bear Atwood, interim legal director at the ACLU of Mississippi.

Since McMillen's name made national headlines, the lesbian teen advocate has served as the grand marshal for New York's Gay Pride Parade, she received a $30,000 college scholarship from an anonymous donor, and a Facebook page called "Let Constance Take Her Girlfriend to Prom!" had attracted nearly 410,000 fans as of Tuesday.

"It means a lot to me," McMillen said. "The amount of support helps me to continue with the fight."

Good to see they got raked over the coals, but I'm kind of sorry to see that they settled. I'd have liked to see them get pressed into the coals and roasted in court. I bet being forced to codify rules against orientation-discrimination is going down about a well as a couple tall glasses of sand. In the end, though, this event probably isn't going to change much, is it? Mississippi will still be shitheads, and I'd bet that even with this precedent, it won't be the last time they try to fuck over a non-traditional student; or hell, even a gay student in more or less exactly the same circumstances.

[Axiomatic]

Sure, but every time someone tries to fuck over a non-traditional student and LOSES, it makes it that much easier for the next non-trad.