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By Steven Thomma, McClatchy Newspapers – Sat Apr 10, 5:51 pm ET
NEW ORLEANS — Southern Republicans wrapped up a three-day meeting in New Orleans Saturday unified in fervent opposition to President Barack Obama , but wide open at this early stage about whom they want to challenge him in 2012.

Party activists at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference cheered potential presidential candidates such as Newt Gingrich , Sarah Palin and Tim Pawlenty , as well as absentee Mitt Romney .
But they also readily volunteered objections to the same names: Gingrich has personal baggage, Palin's too inexperienced, Romney pushed Obama-like health care while governor of Massachusetts and Pawlenty lacks charisma.

Given those commonly heard objections among rank-and-file party workers, it appears that no potential Republican candidate can yet claim to be the heir apparent and the race could be wide open.
Take Palin, the former Alaska governor who headlined the recent convention of tea party activists.
She gave an impassioned speech to the Republicans, denouncing Obama's foreign policy and domestic agenda, particularly his energy policies. She favors more oil and gas drilling along U.S. coasts. She's said she may run.
"I'm for Palin," said Vance Martin , a Republican volunteer from Oklahoma City . "She has authenticity; she's a strong constitutionalist, and a fighter. She takes a hit and keeps on going."

Others also said they liked her, but said her work as a small town mayor and her half-term as governor were not enough experience to lead the party's charge against Obama, even if he also had scant experience before winning the presidency.

"She's great. But she lacks the experience," said Elmer Flucht of Maumelle, Arkansas , in a comment heard several times Saturday. "She's a heck of a lot better than the clown that's in there now, but she needs more experience."
"A great rah-rah gal," said Bonnie Re of Boca Raton, Florida . "But I don't think she's presidential. She's not worldly. She doesn't have a business sense. She needs more vetting, more experience."
Romney also had fans and detractors.
"He's a true statesman," said Re. "He's a brilliant businessman. Our country needs a businessman, especially right now."

But Romney in one way has the opposite problem as Palin — too much experience in his one term as governor, particularly his experience enacting a health care plan with a mandate that people get insurance that some Republicans find uncomfortably similar to the Obama plan they hate.

"He really hurt himself with the health care," said Flucht's wife, Mozella.

Martin of Oklahoma City had this critique of Romney: "He has a very clear grasp of economic issues. If we were the nominee, I'd support him. But I don't think he can win the nomination because of health care. He's the one who first pushed it in Massachusetts . That will be an albatross around his neck."
Romney did not appear at the gathering, saying a book tour kept him away.

Gingrich, the former House Speaker, used his speech to tear into Obama as the leader of "a secular, socialist machine." He said he'd decide next year whether to run.
"I hope he does run," said Elmer Flucht . "He's so knowledgeable. He has great experience. He has the ability to articulate them. He makes a lot of sense."

Several attendees lauded Gingrich for his intellect and his skills as a speaker. But several also questioned whether he could win.
"I like everything he says. He made a lot of good points we can use to elect candidates," said Judy Smith of Montgomery, Texas . "But Newt can't win. He has a lot of baggage. The way he left his first wife. Then the way he left the second wife."

Pawlenty, the second term governor of Minnesota , did not attend the conference, but spoke via videotape. Said Smith: "He doesn't have the charisma."

As attendees lined up to vote in the conference straw poll, one possible presidential candidate urged the party not to pay any attention to that contest until after the 2010 Congressional elections, which he said required their focus.

"I hope no one here spends one whiff thinking about the 2012 election," said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour . "Don't get distracted by 2012....Don't take your eye off the ball."

Barbour also urged the conservatives not to tear themselves apart between tea party activists and Republicans.
"We cannot let ourselves be torn apart by the idea of purity," he said.
To expand on the above, a simple Straw Poll was taken during the Conference which I consider to be VERY telling.
Mitt Romney got 439 votes
Ron Paul 438 votes
Sarah Palin 330 votes
Newt Gingrich 321 votes

And THESE are supposed ot be the 'future' of the Republican Party. Mitt Romney, and Ron Paul and Sarah Palin?
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What I'd like to know is, where did Huckabee and Jindal go? Weren't they supposed to be the Great White/Brown Hope of the GOP in the aftermath of the 2008 elections?
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TithonusSyndrome wrote:What I'd like to know is, where did Huckabee and Jindal go? Weren't they supposed to be the Great White/Brown Hope of the GOP in the aftermath of the 2008 elections?
Here's an explanation for Huckabee. No clue about Jindal.
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People realized Huck is a shithead fundy, and I think someone finally explained to Bobby that that exorcism story was a bit too wacky to work around.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:People realized Huck is a shithead fundy, and I think someone finally explained to Bobby that that exorcism story was a bit too wacky to work around.
Huckabee has the problem that he's a fundamentalist, but he's not really a conservative. The Republican party can deal with fundamentalists, given many of their candidates, but Huckabee is a "feed the poor, nurture the sick, take care of the earth" Christian; he's a populist. That's what's unforgivable for Republicans as far as I can tell. Remember in 2007 where he basically dismissed Global Warming as something to be left to climatologists and then made the statement that its our duty to take care of the planet and leave it in better shape? That didn't play well with conservatives! And he keeps saying things like that, like throwing his lot behind wind and solar. He's a fundie, but he goes against the conservative grain enough that they wouldn't trust him. They can trust Sarah Palin to be a good little puppet, but Mike Huckabee has too much of a conscience.
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General Zod wrote: Here's an explanation for Huckabee. No clue about Jindal.
Did you mean to post something else? That keeps leading me to an article about Dawkins and the Pope.
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CarsonPalmer wrote:
General Zod wrote: Here's an explanation for Huckabee. No clue about Jindal.
Did you mean to post something else? That keeps leading me to an article about Dawkins and the Pope.
That's weird, could have sworn I posted the correct link. Here's what I meant to post.

http://www.ktracy.com/2009/ap-huckabee- ... -2012-why/
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Jindal shot himself down with that disaster of a "rebuttal" to Obama's first State Of The Union address —not only did he look like a Moonie but managed to make a complete idiot of himself, presenting the spectacle of a governor from a state in annual danger of natural disaster from hurricanes waxing contemptuous for volcano monitoring activities carried out by the Federal government. A programme which actually happens to be useful in states where there are active volcanoes and communities possibly in danger from natural disaster as a result.
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I just can't believethey had the Chutzpah to host thier meeting in New Orleans after events of 2005, after all I doubt winning a superball would keep the people who let the city drown, from getting poppet pins to the crotch.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:I just can't believethey had the Chutzpah to host thier meeting in New Orleans after events of 2005, after all I doubt winning a superball would keep the people who let the city drown, from getting poppet pins to the crotch.
Oh its far worse then that..

I'd admit I was watching C-span and can't remember the guys name, so can't back it up, but a 'white balding republican' on stage was giving a speech in which he basically said that "The horrible disaster that came upon this city is nothing compared to what Obama has done to Health care!" he then went on to 'hint' that the reason for the disaster of New Orleans was because of a 'bloated Washington government'

Evidently no one in the room was able to remember that REPUBLICANS were in control of said government.
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:I just can't believe they had the Chutzpah to host their meeting in New Orleans after events of 2005, after all I doubt winning a superbowl would keep the people who let the city drown, from getting poppet pins to the crotch.
Oh its far worse then that..

I'd admit I was watching C-span and can't remember the guys name, so can't back it up, but a 'white balding republican' on stage was giving a speech in which he basically said that "The horrible disaster that came upon this city is nothing compared to what Obama has done to Health care!" he then went on to 'hint' that the reason for the disaster of New Orleans was because of a 'bloated Washington government'
Oh, I imagine a few Orleanians would have entertained the thought of setting up a guillotine in Jackson Square if White Balding Moron had said that in open public. More seriously, he'd have been booed off any public stage and probably would have had garbage thrown at him. We're normally live-and-let-live, but we don't have any sense of humour over the Flood.
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I swear, the hatred for Obama is amazing to me.. And I remember the Clinton years! I thought it was extremist and crazy to claim the President was doing mafia style hits. But we've moved past that, into the point where they now repudiate the positions of their Patron Saint, Ronald Reagan, to attack Obama. What do I mean?

In dealing with Terrorists, Reagan put the State Department in charge of handling terrorists, and put Bremer in charge. Bremer, then, said: Terrorists are criminals. They commit criminal actions like murder, kidnapping and arson, and countries have laws to punish terrorists. A major element of our strategy has been to delegitimize terrorists, to get society to see them for what they are — criminals — and to use democracy’s most potent tool, the rule of law, against them.

When Obama tried that, the GOP freaked the fuck out.

Nukes? ""To those who protest against nuclear war, I can only say: ‘I’m with you.’" To quote the Heritage Foundation,
Reagan's "dream," as he himself described it, was "a world free of nuclear weapons."
And yet which two things inspired the Right Wing echo chambers into round-the-clock fearmongering? Trials for terrorists, and nuclear disarmanent. The GOP hates everything, it seems, even it's former 'heroes'.

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Others also said they liked her, but said her work as a small town mayor and her half-term as governor were not enough experience to lead the party's charge against Obama, even if he also had scant experience before winning the presidency.
Of course, with Obama, his "scant experience" didn't include abandoning his job halfway through a commitment like Governor "I'm Quitting" Palin.
"She's great. But she lacks the experience,"
Well, maybe she should have fucking finished her first term as governor then, hmmm?
"A great rah-rah gal," said Bonnie Re of Boca Raton, Florida . "But I don't think she's presidential. She's not worldly. She doesn't have a business sense. She needs more vetting, more experience."
Probably the most intelligent quote in the whole OP article.

Martin of Oklahoma City had this critique of Romney: "He has a very clear grasp of economic issues. If we were the nominee, I'd support him. But I don't think he can win the nomination because of health care. He's the one who first pushed it in Massachusetts . That will be an albatross around his neck."
Romney did not appear at the gathering, saying a book tour kept him away.
Gingrich, the former House Speaker, used his speech to tear into Obama as the leader of "a secular, socialist machine." He said he'd decide next year whether to run.
Well, Newt may not like it but Yay! My side finally won! Go secular machine!
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SirNitram wrote:I swear, the hatred for Obama is amazing to me.. And I remember the Clinton years!
Here's what's really going on in a lot of heads right now:
But Clinton was a white man - now there's a n----- in the White House! Other than one the service staff. It's one thing for the house n------ to serve the man, but it's not right a house n----- BE the man! We're gonna lose our position of white privilege and status and have to compete with the halfbreeds and coloreds on an equal footing! Worse yet, now that they're in charge they might treat us as badly as we've treated them all these centuries! Hide your wives and daughters!

Don't discount rabid prejudice. It's not as blunt and open as it used to be but it's still very much alive. The only thing worse in these peoples' minds than having a black man elected to be PotUS is for him to be a successful PotUS. That is why they are so desperate to see him fail, even to the point of hurting themselves to do it - they simply can not have it that a black man could be a successful president of the US.
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