Fuck Steam is an annoying piece of shit

[Stark]

You can get unlimited Steam bandwidth from some ISPs (cough Internode cough).

Oh I know; I'm with Internode. Doesn't make shadowtryhard any less retarded.

ARE DIFFERENT MARKETS DIFFERENT?

[Admiral Valdemar]

But apparently now Steam will come with games, even if you buy it in a store.

This has been happening ever since Valve used HL2 to create an instant user pool for steam. This is a major reason why I generally buy steamed games on console, because steam is a horrible piece of crap that Valve doesn't fix because a) they don't care and b) they're incompetent. The only reason I even HAVE steam is because the jackass that made Audiosurf sold out.

Hey, Valdemar is NOT RogueIce.

[GuppyShark]

You can get unlimited Steam bandwidth from some ISPs (cough Internode cough).

Oh I know; I'm with Internode. Doesn't make shadowtryhard any less retarded.

ARE DIFFERENT MARKETS DIFFERENT?

Not defending him. Just pointing it out because it hasn't been mentioned in the thread yet.

[Stark]

Ha. I'd honestly prefer iinet's XBL freeness, but they missed out.

Oh shit Valds, sorry. I just scrolled back on the thread thing in the reply window and I thought it was you.

[ShadowDragon8685]

You can get unlimited Steam bandwidth from some ISPs (cough Internode cough).

Oh I know; I'm with Internode. Doesn't make shadowtryhard any less retarded.

ARE DIFFERENT MARKETS DIFFERENT?

Hey, I was asking, jackass. I don't know, so how about you stop shoveling shit at my head and actually explain it to me instead of being a douchenozzle at me.

[Ghost Rider]

You can get unlimited Steam bandwidth from some ISPs (cough Internode cough).

Oh I know; I'm with Internode. Doesn't make shadowtryhard any less retarded.

ARE DIFFERENT MARKETS DIFFERENT?

Hey, I was asking, jackass. I don't know, so how about you stop shoveling shit at my head and actually explain it to me instead of being a douchenozzle at me.

Or? You could look it up yourself. On the internet. Instead of letting the prickly Aussie get under your extremely thin skin.

[Xon]

Is unlimited bandwidth really that hard to get in Austrailia?

It's imposible to get. Well to be honest you can get it if you are willing to pay in excess of +$3000 AUD per month for a 4mbit connection.

Some ISP do have steam and xboxlive content in free zones, but it is quite hit and miss on what is there because it generally isn't all of the content from those platforms.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Is unlimited bandwidth really that hard to get in Austrailia?

It's imposible to get. Well to be honest you can get it if you are willing to pay in excess of +$3000 AUD per month for a 4mbit connection.

Some ISP do have steam and xboxlive content in free zones, but it is quite hit and miss on what is there because it generally isn't all of the content from those platforms.

Aaah, I seee. Thank you.

God-damn, that's some crazy-ass stuff going on there. Is there some regulatory reason, or some infrastructure reason, or are Aussie ISPs just tightfisted dirtwads who're completely behind the times in their business practices?

[Stark]

Oh jesus christ. A giant country with fuck-all people and bugger-all pipes coming in, and you wonder why it's not like the US which is smaller, has far more people, and actually contains most of the content people want?

[Xon]

It is largely the result of lack of enforcement of regulations on the once government monopoly telco which was privatized with the government retaining a sizable stake but refusing to touch the telco as to permit the highest posible share price for any future sale. If you can't see that can go horribly wrong, you are a lolbertarian nutcase.

Lets put it this way, internal to australia bandwidth is only just cheaper than international bandwidth. Everytime international bandwidth drops in cost, internal bandwidth also magically drops. Throw in that the government is only just catching on that this whole internet thing might be important, rather than over 2 decades ago, and is still trying to be as cheap as posible. Basicly the chosen national fiber scheme will enforce the existing incumberances(as Passive Optical Network is harder to unbundle) and shoot everyone in the foot due to limited expandability due to the shared nature of the fiber connections about 20-40 years down the track.

[phongn]

Uh, what's wrong with using PON? It certainly has enough bandwidth to work with and it meshes nicely with DWDM. As for unbundling - I don't see how that changes things, either. Sure, the last-mile is relatively fixed but you can change the uplink at the CO.

(Disclaimer: I once worked for Verizon, which is in the midst of deploying GPON).

[Dominus Atheos]

Uh, what's wrong with using PON? It certainly has enough bandwidth to work with and it meshes nicely with DWDM. As for unbundling - I don't see how that changes things, either. Sure, the last-mile is relatively fixed but you can change the uplink at the CO.

(Disclaimer: I once worked for Verizon, which is in the midst of deploying GPON).

I always wondered about that. It seems to me that the best solution to the cable/phone internet duopoly would be to have community-owned fiber in the last mile, then let any company hook up to the source and provide the reciever box to the customer. Something like that would actually have been great to include in the Stimulus.

[ArmorPierce]

After unsuccessfully attempting to find a number to call steam from (well, I called valve but they said they had no phone support for steam) I went on the website and put in my problem. My problem was that I was not receiving any e-mail from the account, verification e-mail nor password information. I had forgotten my e-mail and told them. I later updated the problem stating that I was able to recover the password but the e-mail was still a problem. A couple days later, they sent me a letter stating that they had reset my password and I will get a new password in a separate e-mail... I have not received this separate e-mail, it's not in my spam box so now I have no way to access it.

So basically I contacted them to help me out with a problem, they ignore the main problem and exacerbate the issue.

On top of that, I cannot play any game that I had purchased through steam, online or off.

Does anyone know a number that I can call that they will actually help me with the issue?

[Joviwan]

well, I called valve but they said they had no phone support for steam)

Does anyone know a number that I can call that they will actually help me with the issue?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there probably isn't one. How did you forget your email account, anyway?

[ArmorPierce]

typo. I did not forget my e-mail, I forgot my password to steam but then remembered it and updated the ticket stating that I had stating the only issue remaining was the e-mail issue.

[Molyneux]

Oh jesus christ. A giant country with fuck-all people and bugger-all pipes coming in, and you wonder why it's not like the US which is smaller, has far more people, and actually contains most of the content people want?

Excuse me?
US 9,161,923 SQ KM
Australia 7,617,930 SQ KM

That's according to Google, anyhow.

[Stark]

Turns out Alaska is 1,600,000 kilometers? Not that you contributed anything, lol.

[Molyneux]

Turns out Alaska is 1,600,000 kilometers? Not that you contributed anything, lol.

I pointed out a factual error in your post. How is that not contributing? Don't get pissy just because you screwed something up.

As for Australia's connection problems, if it's that bad I wonder why there isn't a popular push for improvement in that country.

[Stark]

Are you retarded? The term 'continental united states' exists for a reason. It's hilarious you ask a question that the quote you nitpicked already answered. I'm sorry you're a retard but it just isn't my problem.

It's worth noting that aside from lag it isn't even bad enough for normal people to complain about, and really only gamers care about lag. It's hardly a pressing issue crushing the nation, and there are pretty obvious reasons why the situation exists.

[Molyneux]

Are you retarded? The term 'continental united states' exists for a reason. It's hilarious you ask a question that the quote you nitpicked already answered. I'm sorry you're a retard but it just isn't my problem.

It's worth noting that aside from lag it isn't even bad enough for normal people to complain about, and really only gamers care about lag. It's hardly a pressing issue crushing the nation, and there are pretty obvious reasons why the situation exists.

You absurd, brainless cretin, your post didn't answer anything even close to my question - though Xon's post has a good point. And if you are too dense to realize "Oh, I goofed on one point", then that's your problem, not mine. One more thing, you egotistical fruitcake - you didn't say "Continental United States", you said "US".

[Stark]

I'm glad you can admit you asked a question that had already been answered simply to excuse your nitpicking. It's just a shame you can't solve the complex equation!

In any case, since the relevant information is that a higher population density with internal content and no history of hilariously bad privatisations, you're still retarded. I wonder why people don't ... oh wait they do! I wonder why there isn't... oh wait there is!

You're pretty ignorant for a nitpicker.

[Xon]

Uh, what's wrong with using PON? It certainly has enough bandwidth to work with and it meshes nicely with DWDM. As for unbundling - I don't see how that changes things, either. Sure, the last-mile is relatively fixed but you can change the uplink at the CO.

I'm sure there have been successfull PON rollouts, but frankly the proposed national broadband network(NBN) is being baddly missmanaged.

Also fundementally, PON has dramatically less bandwidth on a fully populated network compared to point-to-point topologies. Australia already have major issues with exchange backhaul bandwidth being insanely expensive because not enough fiber is lit up, and PON will simply make that worse because the NBN isn't going to be "owning" those uplinks.

[Alyeska]

Stark, Molyneux, back on topic.

[weemadando]

I got fucking hammered this month (bandwidth caps!) by Steam deciding to redownload multiple games for no apparent reason. I just caught Torchlight redownloading and trying to steal the last of my bandwidth.

It turns out that there's been a rash of this happening with various products.

I love Steam for ease of use, but I am concerned now that I might in fact, have to shut down all the auto-update features and have it default to being offline unless I'm currently using it. What a fucker.

[Stark]

Ha - that's probably why my usage spiked and I didn't notice. Bloody steam.