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The Departure: A Conservative Exodus to Costa Rica?

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My current place of employment is unfortunately a conservative/libertarian old boys club. Everyone of significance religiously buys into the Fox/Limbaugh/Tea Party pile of horseshit with such zeal it can be downright scary at times; i.e., I had to hear comments openly supporting the assassination of Democrats during the last election.

Anyway, today most of the big wigs are down the hall from me in the conference room having a meeting, and during lunch they get into a bitchfest over Obama, Pelosi, socialism, etc. Then one of them starts talking about how many conservatives are buying land in Costa Rica (remember what Rush said), which devolved into a bender about how the US will be wrecked in 10 to 20 years, and how you need to stockpile gold and guns.

I was wondering if anyone else had heard about this latest lunacy. The closest thing I could find was this posting at what appears to be a conservative news/web blog named Pajamas Media: The Departure: A Conservative Exodus to Costa Rica?
The Departure: A Conservative Exodus to Costa Rica?

Rather than dreaming of escape to a non-existent Central American fantasy land, it’s time to realize that America is irreplaceable and worth fighting for.

March 28, 2009 - by Adam Graham


Dallas Morning News columnist Rod Dreher may have to fly to Costa Rica if he wants to see some of his friends.

In one of his recent blogs, Dreher told of multiple people discussing potential moves to Costa Rica if things go downhill. These aren’t people who are eager to join Paulville. Rather, these are normal, middle-class conservatives who are considering moving to Costa Rica if the country goes downhill under President Obama.

One of the commenters on Dreher’s blog asked if this was not unlike liberals throwing a fit in 2004 and threatening to leave if Bush won. Not exactly. The left’s threat was always more of a threat to hold its breath if it didn’t get its way. The concerns of Dreher’s friends seem to have little to do with the election and far more to do with the results of Obama’s policies. So all this talk of leaving doesn’t remind me of Alec Baldwin’s threat to deprive our nation of his presence. Instead, it reminds me of a white Zimbabwean I recently met at a writer’s conference. She spoke with a longing for home, a love of a place thousands of miles away that she could only picture in her memories. Zimbabwe is not a place where one is able to prosper and thrive. At this time, many people wonder if the same thing could happen in America.

How legitimate is the concern? Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH), Obama’s second choice to head up the Commerce Department, pronounced a single word this Sunday which ought to give us all pause. Bankrupt.

The End of Opportunity

Gregg’s view that Obama’s budget will bankrupt America is backed up by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, which finds Obama’s scenario far too rosy and projects the debt will rise $2.3 trillion more than Obama projects, leading to deficits between four and five percent of the GDP for each of the next 10 years. By the end of 2019, America’s debt will be more than 82% of the GDP, a rate that Senator Gregg describes as in line with banana republics.

What this scenario introduces is a house of horrors atmosphere that would make the Joker cringe. When this current deflation ends, the full cost of inflationary spending will come home to roost with the potential for hyperinflation with an ever-increasing debt. If, as Gregg has said, the U.S. begins to run out of willing lenders, it will lead to back-breaking taxes and extremely painful cuts in government spending. The combination of high taxes and hyperinflation would lead to high poverty, possibly social unrest, civil war, and heightened risk of a foreign terrorist attack.

If such a scenario develops, will people leave the country? Yes. America is a country made up of people whose ancestors came here in search of opportunity for themselves and their families. As the opportunity to succeed vanishes, it’s inevitable that some people will leave in search of places where they can achieve success, rather than spending the majority of their working time paying off wasteful politicians’ credit cards.

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Will America have to worry about losing its best and its brightest to Costa Rica? The Heritage Foundation suggests some more obvious choices in its 2009 Economic Freedom Index. Five English speaking — or at the very least English friendly — countries rank ahead of the United States (Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, Ireland, and New Zealand). Right behind the U.S. is Canada, Denmark, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and Chile. Should the U.S. continue its slouch towards socialism, all of these would be likely places for some of America’s best and brightest to land in the event of economic collapse.

Costa Rica? Not so much. Costa Rica is ranked #46 on the Economic Freedom Index. Costa Rica already has national health care and is working towards being carbon neutral. While it has small government and lower taxes than the U.S., good luck opening a business or getting a hearing in court in a reasonable amount of time. Corruption is a big problem in Costa Rica, with Heritage proclaiming, “The government does not emphasize enforcement of anti-corruption laws, regulations, and penalties. Some foreign firms have complained of corruption in the administration of public tenders.”

How are Americans emigrating to Costa Rica treated? Reports one author:
  • Costa Rica is touted as a bargain, but I was surprised by how expensive it is. Expatriates have told me there are two economies: one for Ticos (Costa Ricans) and the other for gringos (expatriates). Gringos are charged considerably more for products and services.
Have people who are thinking about Costa Rica even researched the country they’re moving to? Or do they just think that if they’re going to be rolled in a banana republic, they can at least move to one where the weather’s nice?

The Downside

The argument for staying in America cannot be made with reason or logic, but for most of us it’s innate. Every nation, no matter how economically free, has its downside. Hong Kong may enjoy great freedom now, but all it takes is a change of heart in Beijing to upset the whole apple cart. Not only is Singapore overcrowded, it restricts rights we take for granted in America such as freedom of speech. Australia has a top marginal tax rate of 45% and state governments have prosecuted Christians who have made critical statements about Islam. New Zealand’s government spends 41% of its GDP. Other than a high personal income tax rate, there’s a lot to like about Ireland, but that country really doesn’t want immigrants.

Perhaps it would make good financial sense to abandon ship, but emotionally, it’s just not an option for most of us. While there are nations with good policies out there, there is no country in the world like the U.S.A. If one believes in the ideals of the American experiment, the most likely fate I can imagine for a disgruntled expatriate is wandering the globe in exile, never truly being at home no matter how far they roam.

Rather than dreaming of escape to a non-existent Central American fantasy land, it’s time to realize that America is irreplaceable and worth fighting for with every ounce of determination. The title of this piece was inspired by a 1970 episode of Dragnet, in which Joe Friday rounds up a group of teenagers plotting to start their own country on an island off the coast of California. He gives them straightforward advice that conservatives would do well to consider today:
  • Don’t try to build a new country. Make this one work. It has for over four hundred years; and by the world’s standards, that’s hardly more than yesterday.
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Anyone who leaves the US over this is someone we didn't need here after all. Let the Conservative BigWigs go... that will mean that their positions in society and the economy are going to be vacant, waiting for new blood to step in.
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I haven't heard of this, but I do know that a bunch of dominionist homeschoolers are planning a move to New Zealand.

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One of the commenters on Dreher’s blog asked if this was not unlike liberals throwing a fit in 2004 and threatening to leave if Bush won. Not exactly. The left’s threat was always more of a threat to hold its breath if it didn’t get its way. The concerns of Dreher’s friends seem to have little to do with the election and far more to do with the results of Obama’s policies.
The rest of this article is bog-standard conservative whining, but this sticks out as amazingly dense. The "threat" to move to Canada (which was about as substantial as this Costa Rica thing) was indeed all about Bush's policies, especially since we had already weathered four years of them. Liberals had a problem with Bush's war of aggression (policy) as well as concerns about his spendthrift ways (policy) and found US health care (inertia) disfavorable compared with other nations.

Now our nation is in serious economic trouble thanks to the Reagan-era dogma espoused by Bush and Co, and because Obama hasn't solved the problem to their satisfaction, they are moving out. Naturally, they consider those of their fellow citizens who saw this coming to be traitors and worse.
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Wait, I just thought of something:

The liberals say they'll move to Canada when things are bad. The conservatives say they'll move to Costa Rica when things are bad.

Wait, I was going to say that this is interesting because Canada is a first world country, with all the services, and Costa Rica is a third world hellhole, but then I looked up Costa Rica, and I found out two interesting facts. 1) it's one of the most environmentally friendly countries in the world, and 2) it has not had a military since 1949. Oh, and Costa Rica has socialized medicine. Seriously, what the heck? These people (meaning American conservatives, not Costa Ricans) need to grow brains!
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Liberty wrote:Wait, I just thought of something:

The liberals say they'll move to Canada when things are bad. The conservatives say they'll move to Costa Rica when things are bad.

Wait, I was going to say that this is interesting because Canada is a first world country, with all the services, and Costa Rica is a third world hellhole, but then I looked up Costa Rica, and I found out two interesting facts. 1) it's one of the most environmentally friendly countries in the world, and 2) it has not had a military since 1949. Oh, and Costa Rica has socialized medicine. Seriously, what the heck? These people (meaning American conservatives, not Costa Ricans) need to grow brains!
Well, the conservatives have a little problem. The left wingers may have been mostly blowing hot air about fleeing the country to someplace that fitted them better; but unlike the rightwingers they actually had the option of doing so. There are no non-hellhole nations that practice their right wing wishlist. Their abhorrence of socialized medicine alone pretty much disqualifies the rest of the industrialized world all by itself.

I think that a lot of them don't realize what a right wing aberration America is.
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Liberty wrote:Wait, I just thought of something:

The liberals say they'll move to Canada when things are bad. The conservatives say they'll move to Costa Rica when things are bad.

Wait, I was going to say that this is interesting because Canada is a first world country, with all the services, and Costa Rica is a third world hellhole, but then I looked up Costa Rica, and I found out two interesting facts. 1) it's one of the most environmentally friendly countries in the world, and 2) it has not had a military since 1949. Oh, and Costa Rica has socialized medicine. Seriously, what the heck? These people (meaning American conservatives, not Costa Ricans) need to grow brains!
It does remind me of something Jello Biafra once said on one of his spoken word albums. Directed towards conservatives' actions in the US he said:
If you really want to live in a banana republic that bad, why don't You go move to one.
Unfortunately (for the Costa Ricans) the conservatives might not find Costa Rica enough to their liking.
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I was just in Costa Rica, actually. There are a lot of American ex pat communities, there, and they're all rich (which is usually a big part of why they were able to move there and also why they enjoy it so much), so it would make sense that they're conservatives.
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Master of Ossus wrote:I was just in Costa Rica, actually. There are a lot of American ex pat communities, there, and they're all rich (which is usually a big part of why they were able to move there and also why they enjoy it so much), so it would make sense that they're conservatives.
Well I figured, as Liberty pointed out, that Costa Rica’s environmental record, lack of military (not a big thing as it’s not the conservative’s) and socialized medicine would probably turn them off; but then they can be quite hypocritical.

Aside from obvious crap like no socialized medicine, but leave my Medicare alone, the people I work with are mostly ex-military/ex-civil service who not only made their careers off of working for the government, they now sit back and collect a pension check while doing their best to scam earn more money from the government as contractors.

Costa Rica might like their money, but if a mass exodus of rich conservatives did move there, I could easily see them trying to influence the running of the country, to the detriment of the average Costa Rican of course. :wink:
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My first thought upon reading this was what can we possibly do to piss them both off thus ensuring the Conservatives ship off to Costa Rica and the Liberals to Canada. Though i suppose we'd have a better chance seeing single payer heath care and a Reagan style defense bill passed by the same session of congress.

There does seem to be an odd fascination with Costa Rica amongst many conservatives lately. An example: Two colleagues from my former career in manufacturing have relocated production to the country. One followed t after seeing the success of the other. Boatloads of tax incentives and cheap skilled labor. "Why should i pay Costa Ricans in Rhode Island (there is a large Central American immigrant population here) $16 dollars an hour when i can pay Costa Ricans in Costa Rica $4 an hour".
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If the conservatives should pick a country to move to, Panama would be a good bet for them. Colon's the largest Free Trade Zone in the world, and Panama doesn't extradite its citizens.
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I think a better article on the matter would be this:
In Response to Conservatives Fleeing to Costa Rica

By Gil Hamilton

John Galt is not in Central American, this isn't "Atlas Shrugged", and at the end of the day, you aren't an oppressed titan being held back by a vast overarching government that no longer values individual initative. Rush Limbaugh making a whole career out of being an angry asshole over the radio is proof of that. The United States not only isn't socialist, but is so not socialist that, unlike most countries, it doesn't even have a socialist party with enough members to get a game of Monopoly going. Get over yourselfs.

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Master of Ossus wrote:I was just in Costa Rica, actually. There are a lot of American ex pat communities, there, and they're all rich (which is usually a big part of why they were able to move there and also why they enjoy it so much), so it would make sense that they're conservatives.
Of course rich people enjoy third world countries: when you're surrounded by poverty, services are extraordinarily cheap relative to your income, and your money allows you to live like a king. It's the same reason why all of those crappy shithole 3rd world Caribbean countries are full of vacation resorts. As long as they can keep criminal violence under control, white people with money are going to enjoy themselves there.

The fact that so many of them like places like Costa Rica only tells you that they don't care for their self-declared principles nearly as much as they claim to. In reality, it's all about just ensuring the highest possible personal lifestyle for themselves, and any of the principles they claim to support aren't worth shit.
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I find this somewhat amusing. My family came to California from Costa Rica about 40 years ago, and some of them are thinking of returning there to retire as well. My first thought about Rush and company heading down to Costa Rica was "we don't want him," but then what will he do? He doesn't seem the type to learn the language and culture, and will probably be a waning influence down there. If rich old gringos go there to die, I'm not going to complain if they spend their retirement years supporting a regime that promotes universal health care, education, and environmentalism. The hypocrisy will make a fine swan song. I have heard from my mother that the degree of tourist development down there has led to a sort of Americanization of the culture, but since I haven't been there since I was a child, I don't really know what that implies. Still, I think they will do less damage there than here, because they don't care. They don't identify as Ticos, and they don't see some sort of Costa Rican manifest destiny whereby the country must uphold free-market capitalism to save the world the way America is supposed to.
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Liberty wrote:I haven't heard of this, but I do know that a bunch of dominionist homeschoolers are planning a move to New Zealand.

http://undermuchgrace.blogspot.com/2009 ... n-and.html
They wont get very far with those ideas. Conquer NZ? :roll: :D
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Stuart Mackey wrote:
Liberty wrote:I haven't heard of this, but I do know that a bunch of dominionist homeschoolers are planning a move to New Zealand.

http://undermuchgrace.blogspot.com/2009 ... n-and.html
They wont get very far with those ideas. Conquer NZ? :roll: :D
That was kind of my thought to. But yes, the main leader (Geoff Botkin) has written a 200 year plan, which includes having his son be the prime minister of New Zealand in his fifties. So...you have been warned.
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Darth Wong wrote: Of course rich people enjoy third world countries: when you're surrounded by poverty, services are extraordinarily cheap relative to your income, and your money allows you to live like a king. It's the same reason why all of those crappy shithole 3rd world Caribbean countries are full of vacation resorts. As long as they can keep criminal violence under control, white people with money are going to enjoy themselves there.
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For my part I get really uncomfortable being the gringo with-cash-in-pocket while I'm working and living in a poverty-ridden, messed-up and poorly run country (to me that's Mexico, but YMMV) to the point that I don't take projects outside the USA any more unless they are somewhere 'first-worldish.'

It's possible that I'm just not wealthy enough to feel comfortable with it, I guess.
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Liberty wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Liberty wrote:I haven't heard of this, but I do know that a bunch of dominionist homeschoolers are planning a move to New Zealand.

http://undermuchgrace.blogspot.com/2009 ... n-and.html
They wont get very far with those ideas. Conquer NZ? :roll: :D
That was kind of my thought to. But yes, the main leader (Geoff Botkin) has written a 200 year plan, which includes having his son be the prime minister of New Zealand in his fifties. So...you have been warned.
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Kanastrous wrote:For my part I get really uncomfortable being the gringo with-cash-in-pocket while I'm working and living in a poverty-ridden, messed-up and poorly run country (to me that's Mexico, but YMMV) to the point that I don't take projects outside the USA any more unless they are somewhere 'first-worldish.'

It's possible that I'm just not wealthy enough to feel comfortable with it, I guess.
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Weh you say servants? Are you instituating that a good deal of Southern families employ illegal immigrants as butlers or do you mean as weekly maids?
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Alphawolf55 wrote:Weh you say servants? Are you instituating that a good deal of Southern families employ illegal immigrants as butlers or do you mean as weekly maids?
What the fuck difference does it make whether it's a butler, a nanny, a maid, or a gardener? The point is that you have an entire region where people become accustomed to correlating an entire social sub-class with menial labour.
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Re: The Departure: A Conservative Exodus to Costa Rica?

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There's a huge difference. One is being waited on hand and foot and requires considerable wealth in a region that frankly for the most part lacks it (if we're talking about mostly the South). The other is having someone come over once a week and maybe pick up the house or do landscaping. To say that the former is a common case in the South is a fucking ridiculous statement, the latter is somewhat reasonable. Even though to call someone who comes over once a week to do menial labor a servant is well..a ridiculously bad use of a loaded word.
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Re: The Departure: A Conservative Exodus to Costa Rica?

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Alphawolf55 wrote:There's a huge difference. One is being waited on hand and foot and requires considerable wealth in a region that frankly for the most part lacks it (if we're talking about mostly the South). The other is having someone come over once a week and maybe pick up the house or do landscaping. To say that the former is a common case in the South is a fucking ridiculous statement, the latter is somewhat reasonable. Even though to call someone who comes over once a week to do menial labor a servant is well..a ridiculously bad use of a loaded word.
Sounds like someone is being a nitpicky bitch. How does any of this change the fact that an entire ethnicity is being continuously associated with menial labour?
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Re: The Departure: A Conservative Exodus to Costa Rica?

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Or maybe someone should learn not to make hugely poorly worded comments on an entire region without any basis just because it's an acceptable target, I mean seriously you knew servant was a loaded word. I mean I'm going to be fair, to an extent you're right. There have been groups of people associated with menial labor, but it's not in the areas you claim only because by and large the South is blue collared to begin with. I'd make the case that the majority of the case would be far more in say New Jersey, New York, California areas of high illegal immigration that have high amounts of wealth.
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