The Legend of the Galactic Heroes

[takemeout_totheblack]

Iserlohn doesn't seem like it could be only fifty kilometers wide, those ships seem too big for so many to fit in it. Although, that shouldn't really matter for what you're talking about; in terms of space controlled, it wouldn't make much difference if Iserlohn was 50 or 5000km wide. Iserlohn Corridor is itself a silly contrivance, but it's not that bad as space opera goes; I get the feeling it got retconned a little as the show went on, but it pretty consistently serves its purpose as being the main bottleneck between the Alliance and the Empire.

The stated diameter of Iserlohn is 60 km in diameter and roughly 60 trillion metric tons in mass in comparison to 20 thousand ships anywhere from 300meters to over a kilometer in length, so yeah it could probably hold more.
As for the corridors themselves, at least it doesn't stretch WSoD too far, right? Parts of space cannot be warped through because... eh? In this area and one other like it warp is possible but you have to get past our murder-fortresses to do so; I'll buy that easy! Besides, I always got the feeling that Iserlohn and Geiresburg had an interdiction-field-thingy going on, but I'm probably wrong.

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

From the views of the galaxy, it appears that the main bulks of the Empire and Alliance are in two separate dense clusters (arms?) while the Phezzan and Iserlohn corridors are the only two lines of stars where the clusters meet. I got the impression that their FTL, whatever it is, only works well near stars for some reason, possibly supply line-based.

[Vympel]

I must be turning into a huge anime-liking wuss, because I like watching the end credits sequence for the music.

[phred]

I must be turning into a huge anime-liking wuss, because I like watching the end credits sequence for the music.

I can't stand the opening and ending credits songs. I've got it down to an art skipping the opening credits to where the actual show starts.

One other thing I gotta say I like is the starfighters. They're the monstrous one man ships that don't look anything like a typical SF fighter. They aren't very pretty but they get points for originality.

[Vympel]

I can't stand the opening and ending credits songs. I've got it down to an art skipping the opening credits to where the actual show starts.

I hate the opening song (luckily its only every couple of "episodes" since this show was never actually televised) but I like the ending one. It just sounds good, and the image of Reinhard at the end is cool.

One other thing I gotta say I like is the starfighters. They're the monstrous one man ships that don't look anything like a typical SF fighter. They aren't very pretty but they get points for originality.

Yeah, the whole show's pretty original - the warships aren't like anything I've ever seen -and I like how they have literal "Hero Ships" for the commanders And the music is great too (since its all classical, if that's the right term for it).

[Srelex]

Also, is it me, or has the appearance of the battles been referenced/ripped off quite a few times in other Japanese media? The computer game episode of Haruhi comes to mind, as does the first level to Starfox Assault.

[Uraniun235]

Yeah, the whole show's pretty original - the warships aren't like anything I've ever seen -and I like how they have literal "Hero Ships" for the commanders And the music is great too (since its all classical, if that's the right term for it).

Yeah, with the exception of the opening/closing titles and the national anthems, I don't think there's a lick of music newer than 100 years old in the series. And for the most part it works very well, too.

I always thought it was neat how the overall look (and the rear fins especially) of the Alliance starships are present from the very biggest fleet flagships down to the Spartanian starfighters.

[takemeout_totheblack]

Also, is it me, or has the appearance of the battles been referenced/ripped off quite a few times in other Japanese media? The computer game episode of Haruhi comes to mind, as does the first level to Starfox Assault.

Possibly a homage? Or maybe just aping style because it's awesome?
And that Haruhi ep was more an homage to two scifi series, one being Uuchu Senkan Yamato in ship and weapon style and the other one being Legend of the Galactic Heroes in 'wall 'o' ships shootin' stuff' tactics.

I'm glad this thread has brought this show to the attention of a few denizens of SD.net, maybe someone will find all the episodes and movies fandubded and the nerding out can truly begin!

[takemeout_totheblack]

Ok, this is a minor point, but does anyone else notice that the particle cannons firing sound a lot like a lightsaber's 'pshew' start-up noise? Just a casual observation.

[MarshalPurnell]

There is more of the series up on Veoh than on youtube. Or there was, anyway.

Edit: You can still find the whole series there.

[Srelex]

Ok, this is a minor point, but does anyone else notice that the particle cannons firing sound a lot like a lightsaber's 'pshew' start-up noise? Just a casual observation.

Not really--more of a generic pewpew sound, IMO.

[Uraniun235]

See if you can spot the "Klingon Bird of Prey decloaking" sound effect from Star Trek 3.

[Vympel]

Spoiler

KIRCHIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was pretty obvious that Reinhard/ Alexander was going to lose his Patroklos, but I was nevertheless surprised when it happened. That's where the analogy seems to end though - his admirals are all competent and loyal, it seems. Mittermeyer is my favorite of them.

EDIT: of course it seems likely Oberstein orchestrated the assassination attempt with the precise intent of getting rid of Siegfried. But who knows.

The sound effect used for Ansbach when he pulled out that freaking grenade launcher was a Katyusha rocket salvo, courtesy of the Red Army, WW2.

Edited for major plot point.

[takemeout_totheblack]

A spoiler tag would have been nice...

[Vympel]

Thought you had already seen it all. Oops.

[takemeout_totheblack]

I did just now. Even though I kind of had the feeling from the get go that ol' Sieg was going to get the axe at some point, knowing still didn't detract from the scene.
Anyway, I don't think Oberstein planned an elaborate plot to off Keirchis, it's not his style to take a risk as big as firing a grenade launcher at the man he seeks make Emperor. Sure, he'll do the immoral thing like that whole business with the nukes but he wouldn't endanger Reinhard, as evidenced by his attempt at being a human shield. He strikes me as a character who'll do whatever is necessary, but he won't take any unnecessary and showy risks.

[MarshalPurnell]

I didn't know that was coming, so it was a complete surprise. As Kircheis was laying there cradled by Reinhard I was stunned. "He can't die now!" was the thought going through my mind through most of his dying scene. I knew there were... eighty-something episodes to go, so really. Quite gutsy to kill off such an important character so early, and even late into the series you'll see someone remark about how different things would be if only Siegfried had lived. It's a pivotal moment that completely alters what might have happened otherwise and effectively drives character arcs and even major plot points ever afterward, and it hit me pretty hard just in the moment itself.

[takemeout_totheblack]

I guess I'm just jaded, then
...that and future battles like Vermillion (first LotGH battle I watched) was conspicuously lacking Siegfried Kircheis. I didn't really notice his absence until I realized what a big freaking deal he was to Reinhard, so I had my suspicions. Still surprised me that it happened so soon though, Reinhard clutches at that pendant of his for the rest of the series! Talk about continuity, the guy still offers tactical and emotional advice 80 or so episodes after he dies!

[Vympel]

Well, they changed the opening / ending credits in the second "part" if I can call it that and they suck, so all is well in the world of anime

The Japanese are weird. Western cartoons have theme songs like Transformers and Thundercats.

EDIT: its cool that Kircheis big red hero' ship is permanently docked next to Reinhards.

[MarshalPurnell]

I didn't find the opening and closing numbers that bad, until the very last series of episodes. The opening song was done in competent English beforehand. Not great or anything, but at least it sounded like whoever was singing understood what the song said. Then abruptly the last opening song comes on, and it sounds like... well, drunken karaoke. Stiff, stilted, with a singer who obviously does not speak English and is winging it phonetically. I usually skipped over the songs anyway, but that was just painful.

[Ford Prefect]

EDIT: its cool that Kircheis big red hero' ship is permanently docked next to Reinhards.

The Barbarossa is pretty much the sexiest spaceship in science fiction, so it deserved to be put somewhere important.

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

The Hyperion is my favourite of the ships in this show so far. It's blocky and chunky like the rest of the Alliance ships but it manages to pull off that look very well.

I had to sit around the house for a while so I watched a bunch more of the show recently. The random history backstory dump episodes are always fun.

"Okay we just had WWIII and I guess we should unify Earth's government now."

"Which city are we going to pick as the capital of humanity?"

"I dunno... Brisbane?"

"Sure, why not."

[Commander 598]

Map:

[takemeout_totheblack]

Oh, and to anyone who's interested there's a LotGH mod for Sins of a Solar Empire. Looks pretty good!

http://www.moddb.com/mods/legend-of-the-galactic-heroes

[Vympel]

Personally I like Mittermeyer's / Gale Wolf's ship the best.

I just saw Fortress vs Fortress. I hope the Empire takes Iserlohn back ...

EDIT: oh fuck you, Yang.

Well, it's Lohengramm's fault. He should've sent Mittermeyer.