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Airline passengers are facing massive disruption across the UK after an ash cloud from a volcanic eruption in Iceland grounded planes.

In Scotland, all airports are shut and there is disruption at many others including Manchester, Liverpool, Stansted, Newcastle and Birmingham.

The Air Traffic Control Service (Nats) imposed restrictions after the Met Office warned ash could damage engines.

Passengers are being advised to contact their airlines prior to travel.

Experts have warned that the tiny particles of rock, glass and sand contained in the ash cloud would be sufficient to jam aircraft engines.

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Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow airports were shut as Nats said it was restricting flights "in accordance with international civil aviation policy".

The ash cloud disrupted all flights to and from Manchester with a similar picture at Newcastle airport where all arrivals were cancelled and all outbound flights either cancelled or subject to indefinite delay.

Liverpool's John Lennon airport suspended all flights until at least 1300BST.

British Airways said it had cancelled all domestic flights for the whole of Thursday, which affected flights at London's Gatwick, Heathrow and City airports.

Birmingham airport warned of severe disruption with about 90% of flights cancelled, and there were problems reported at East Midlands, Leeds Bradford, Cardiff and Bristol.

Most flights were suspended at Belfast International Airport and George Best Belfast City Airport, with some in and out of Dublin airport also hit.

A Nats spokesman said: "The Volcanic Ash Advisory Centre has issued a forecast that the ash cloud from the volcanic eruption in Iceland will track over Europe tonight.

"Nats is working with Eurocontrol and our colleagues in Europe's other air navigation service providers to take the appropriate action to ensure safety in accordance with international aviation policy."

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The European air safety body, Eurocontrol, said the cloud of ash had reached 55,000ft and was expected to move through northern UK and Scotland by 1300BST.

Brian Flynn, assistant head of operations of its central flow management unit, told the BBC: "As it moves toward the Netherlands and Belgium it will dissipate and lose intensity, like any weather phenomenon. But we don't know what the extent of it will be."

Further south, five easyJet flights due to depart from Stansted airport in Essex were cancelled, along with all northbound flights from Southampton and Newquay airports.

Bournemouth airport grounded a flight to Dublin but said all other departures were on schedule.

Met Office forecaster Philip Avery said the ash could take several days to clear.

He said: "It is showing up on imagery at the moment, extending down as far as the Faroes but it looks as though the wind will drag it a good deal further south.

"Nats has good cause to be very cautious about this because in about 1982 a British Airways jumbo had the unnerving experience of having all four engines shut down as it flew through a plume of volcanic ash."

There was a nearly identical incident on 15 December 1989 when KLM Flight 867, a B747-400 from Amsterdam to Anchorage, Alaska, flew into the plume of the erupting Mount Redoubt, causing all four engines to fail.

Once the flight cleared the ash cloud, the crew was able to restart each engine and then make a safe landing at Anchorage, but the aircraft was substantially damaged.

A BAA spokesman said: "Passengers intending to fly today are asked to contact their airline for further information and should expect disruption in the coming hours.

The Royal Air Force has confirmed it will maintain its search and rescue operations.

A spokesman said: "We will continue to provide full search and rescue cover, however we will consider all requests we get on a case by case basis.

"The ash is mainly affecting the air traffic control radar but we can fly in cloud and reduced visibility.

The eruption under a glacier in the Eyjafjallajoekull area of Iceland is the second in the country in less than a month.

A Nats spokesperson said the volcano was still erupting.
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In a more serious tone - this potentially could wreck quite a few peoples holiday plans, and make struggling airlines crawl into a corner and weep for mercy. Heres hoping the wind picks up in the right direction.
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Now Gatwick is closed and I imagine Heathrow soon after.

that pretty much means all flights that use our Airspace are either grounded or will need to be diverted if just passing through.
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Breaking news is that all flights into UK airspace are cancelled or postponed from midday.
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The cloud could also be hovering over for a while, prevailing wind conditions notwithstanding.
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Not that one can tell the difference between vapour-caused cloudy days and ash-caused ones here.

But this makes my handle on the forum all the more relevant...
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Well, it's coming to the mainland too...
Reuters wrote:Dutch airspace to close due to volcanic ash -report
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AMSTERDAM, April 15 (Reuters) - European aviation control agency Eurocontrol said Dutch airspace would be closed from Thursday afternoon onwards due to the approach of volcanic ash, the Dutch news agency ANP reported.

Amsterdam's airport Schiphol had said earlier dozens of inbound and outbound flights mainly from Britain, Scandinavia and Russia had been cancelled due to the huge cloud of ash from the volcano in Iceland. (Reporting by Amsterdam newsroom; Editing by Jon Boyle)
According to the London Volcanic Ash Advisory Centre's morning advisory graph, it will reach Denmark and the northern part of Germany before midnight.
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My girlfriend was on her way back from a business trip to the states yesterday and is now stuck in Chicago airport due to this. Her flight actually took off but was forced to turn around somewhere over Canada and went back to Chicago. It's looking like she may not even get back this weekend.

The flaming rocks raining from the sky are also pretty annoying, but I do have my brolly with me.
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At least it's more of an interesting reason for flights to be grounded than snow. :P
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In other news, a baggage handlers union rep was seen leaving the volcano only a few hours before. Flights out for the rest of the week by all accounts, and my boss ended up on Radio York this afternoon. Always good to have some eruptions going on, though maybe not at the expense of passengers stuck abroad, but it does mean that my half arsed plan to write a documentary script in the next six months might have 'relevance to current issues' as the guidelines put it.
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Well, sorry to hear about the disruptions, but really, volcanic ash can really fuck up your day if you're airborne. Sorry for the inconvenience, but safety first.

Aaron - at least your girlfriend is stuck in Chicago during fairly pleasant weather. If she can't get back for a day or two suggest she take in the sights if she can. The Blue Line runs from O'Hare to the Loop, and from there it's and easy walk/bus/taxi ride to museums and the lake front. Just wandering around Millennium Park might work off some tension and really, Chicago weather doesn't get better than what we're having right now.
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Just don't forget that volcanic ash is STONE. Finely grinded stone, but it's still the same material.
And it tends to clog together if it get's wet, too.

So the hazards of flying a plane trough a cloud of volcanic ash should be quite obvious.
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All flights out of Britain grounded till 6 AM British time tomorrow. A friend of mine who is in London on her way from NYC to India is now stuck for at least a day more. It will take time before the airline can get enough planes in to London and relieve the backlog of passengers. London-Mumbai is an incredibly busy sector - a few dozen flights per day and many go full.
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And, for a demonstration of what can happen when flying through volcanic ash, here's the story of British Airways Flight 9:
At approximately 13:42 UTC (20:42 Jakarta time), engine number four began surging and soon flamed out. The flight crew immediately performed the engine shutdown drill, quickly cutting off fuel supply and arming the fire extinguishers. Less than a minute later, at 13:43 UTC (20:43 Jakarta time), engine two surged and flamed out. Within seconds, and almost simultaneously, engines one and three flamed out prompting the flight engineer to exclaim, "I don't believe it – all four engines have failed!"
My favourite is the typically British announcement by the pilot:
Capt. Eric Moody wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control. I trust you are not in too much distress.
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Don't forget that they became the largest non-purpose built glider in history too. :)
Another proof is KLM Flight 867 a few years later. Both cases required major repair works to became airworthy again.
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Bad Iceland. You send CASH, not ASH.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Bad Iceland. You send CASH, not ASH.
Stop stealing jokes from twitter! Some of us read the BBC live volcano page too, you know ;)!
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So any pictures yet of the Volcanic ash?
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Am I bad for finding it amusing that the two people in this thread most affected by this are named 'UnderAGreySky' and 'Aaron Ash'?
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:Am I bad for finding it amusing that the two people in this thread most affected by this are named 'UnderAGreySky' and 'Aaron Ash'?
No, you are not! In fact, you are great for pointing that out :D

Any good estaminates yet on the duration and where it will spread to?
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MKSheppard wrote:So any pictures yet of the Volcanic ash?
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And there should be plenty of pics. The BBC News site has many of Eyjafjallajokull itself and a lot of pissed off Brits. I'm rather enjoying the clear skies lacking vapour trails (and I imagine those living near Heathrow, John Lennon, Manchester International etc. are feeling happier too).
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The thing that most interests me is the potential for the future eruption of another nearby larger volcano, can't remember the name, think it was Kefla, but apparently, the past few times the first volcano has erupted (now names are valid in Scrabble, icelandic volcanoes are game winners), the other volcano has erupted within the year. Don't know how much truth there is in that, but the possibility of another big eruption on our doorstep is rather exciting. My first lava came from Iceland, and not just because mum's been there, so I'm itching to get out there. Typical that nearby volcanic activity waits till the very end of my PhD to rear its head, we've had to return £1000 of fieldword grant because nothing of accessible significance happened.
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Katla. And if she were to go, it'd be game over. But there are no links, so far, that Eyjafjallajokull (I LOVE that name, like someone spazzing at the keyboard) has an impact on the supervolcano. Though the last time this current volcano got going was around 1821, and lasted two years.

Iceland, tt should be said, potentially caused the famines and general climate chaos that helped set things like the French Revolution up and the worst food shortage in Japanese history.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Katla. And if she were to go, it'd be game over. But there are no links, so far, that Eyjafjallajokull (I LOVE that name, like someone spazzing at the keyboard) has an impact on the supervolcano. Though the last time this current volcano got going was around 1821, and lasted two years.

Iceland, tt should be said, potentially caused the famines and general climate chaos that helped set things like the French Revolution up and the worst food shortage in Japanese history.
Wasn't the latter mostly caused by the eruption of the Krakatoa in 1883?
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Serafina wrote:
Wasn't the latter mostly caused by the eruption of the Krakatoa in 1883?
This was the Laki eruption in the late 18th, and has been the cause attributed to killing over two million worldwide and causing climactic shift to boot.
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