You're Princess Leia.

[Stofsk]

Hahaha - isn't that the size of DS2?

[Eleventh Century Remnant]

Not unless Endor was so small, the strike team should have been boinging across the landscape in the low gravity like rebel- shaped golf balls...which may be an interesting line of novelties one day if GL really formally runs out of ideas.

First, go mad doing the research, collecting the bits of data- like prices, market information, how the economy of the GFFA actually works- that some people want to know. Oh, and deal with the psychological shock of a sex change too. Then, about five minutes before the deadline, come up with the following plan;

Tantive IV to be run by a skeleton crew of voulnteers.
A fast escape ship to be stored in the forward lower hanger bay.
A multi- teraton self destruct charge in a shielded smuggling compartment, on a timer.

I think you can see how this is going to play out...begin with the opening scene of the movie, probably get caught; arm the charge and bolt for the planetary surface in the escape ship, Tantive IV goes up taking Devastator, and Vader, with it. Recruit Solo, Kenobi, and Skywalker, flee before Imperial reinforcements arrive, deliver plans, profit. Play it by ear from there.

[The Romulan Republic]

What if Lord Vader's precognition warns him? Or you get killed during the boarding/by battle damage/by the Devastator's gunners while fleeing?

Better to avoid being in the same system as Lord Vader if you can help it.

[Darth Hoth]

The following post is made under the assumption that, in addition to Leia's body, I am also given at least a passable knowledge of the things she would reasonably be expected to know (who Random Functionary #148918 is, how Senate Procedure #5998612 works, how I contact the Rebellion, and so forth, otherwise people will wonder why I am a Senator and knows jack about Senatorising and a Rebel knowing jack about Rebelling . . . Hell, I pretty much need this just to be able to communicate, since my present self does not speak Galactic Standard or read Aurebesh).

I go to the Imperial Court, present my bonafides to Palpatine and offer to serve the Empire as a covert agent inside the top tier of the Rebellion. What I do there is up to my Imperial superiors; I am content to just spy on them if that is what pleases them, but I can also do other things. One I can think of right away is attempting to cause it to fracture by exploiting the division between Mothma and bel Iblis, or else I can try to make Mothma gather all their assets in one place so that the Empire can easily destroy it. That aside, with my out of universe knowledge I know the locations of many interesting things that might be of interest to the Imperial rulers - including certain fugitives sensitive to the Force. I will not call out Luke, who is my brother and a likeable character overall, but prequel-era Jedi in hiding are fair game.

In return, I have two requests. One, that the Empire not attack my home planet and that they spare my family and friends (although their treasonous activities will obviously necessitate an eventual change of government on the planet). Two, that I be trained in the ways of the Force as one of the chief acolytes.

***

Additionally, I will strive to make certain that, one way or another, Corporal Daala is sent back to the infantry where she belongs, preferably to monitor a sensor station on Hoth or some other task more commensurate with her demonstrated abilities. Her local officer in charge will be Commander Pellaeon, who, in a revolutionary display of joint operations, will be placed in charge of the same station. They deserve each other.

[Stofsk]

What if Lord Vader's precognition warns him? Or you get killed during the boarding/by battle damage/by the Devastator's gunners while fleeing?

There are limits to precognition. The Emperor knew - or thought it did - that the Rebels were going to try hitting him in DS2. He didn't know that the Ewoks would come out of the forest and provide the Rebels on the ground with the distraction they needed to get their job done. Assuming the Tantive IV can cover you, you might be better off jumping in a pod as soon as you hit Tattooine. On the other hand, the line from the Imperial gunners shows that some tried escaping, though we don't know when in that brief timeline the previous pod was launched.

Better to avoid being in the same system as Lord Vader if you can help it.

That's good advice for anyone, really.

[Tiriol]

The following post is made under the assumption that, in addition to Leia's body, I am also given at least a passable knowledge of the things she would reasonably be expected to know (who Random Functionary #148918 is, how Senate Procedure #5998612 works, how I contact the Rebellion, and so forth, otherwise people will wonder why I am a Senator and knows jack about Senatorising and a Rebel knowing jack about Rebelling . . . Hell, I pretty much need this just to be able to communicate, since my present self does not speak Galactic Standard or read Aurebesh).

I go to the Imperial Court, present my bonafides to Palpatine and offer to serve the Empire as a covert agent inside the top tier of the Rebellion. What I do there is up to my Imperial superiors; I am content to just spy on them if that is what pleases them, but I can also do other things. One I can think of right away is attempting to cause it to fracture by exploiting the division between Mothma and bel Iblis, or else I can try to make Mothma gather all their assets in one place so that the Empire can easily destroy it. That aside, with my out of universe knowledge I know the locations of many interesting things that might be of interest to the Imperial rulers - including certain fugitives sensitive to the Force. I will not call out Luke, who is my brother and a likeable character overall, but prequel-era Jedi in hiding are fair game.

In return, I have two requests. One, that the Empire not attack my home planet and that they spare my family and friends (although their treasonous activities will obviously necessitate an eventual change of government on the planet). Two, that I be trained in the ways of the Force as one of the chief acolytes.

***

Additionally, I will strive to make certain that, one way or another, Corporal Daala is sent back to the infantry where she belongs, preferably to monitor a sensor station on Hoth or some other task more commensurate with her demonstrated abilities. Her local officer in charge will be Commander Pellaeon, who, in a revolutionary display of joint operations, will be placed in charge of the same station. They deserve each other.

... And why would you do this massive act of sociopathy and total disregard for lives and personal freedom of billions of beings by helping two sociopath with supernatural powers to rule the galaxy with iron fist? I won't even mention the petty hate you have for Pellaeon (Daala I can understand), but your very choices are those of a Nazi sympathizer and, in fact, will probably end in your own doom (Vader and Palpatine may have their suspicions of you and most of all you willingly open yourself to the dark side of the Force, an act as idiotic as Exar Kun's choices). I do hope, though, that you have fun time being interrogated by the ISB and sentencing millions of lives because of your stupidity.

[Darth Hoth]

... And why would you do this massive act of sociopathy and total disregard for lives and personal freedom of billions of beings by helping two sociopath with supernatural powers to rule the galaxy with iron fist? I won't even mention the petty hate you have for Pellaeon (Daala I can understand), but your very choices are those of a Nazi sympathizer and, in fact, will probably end in your own doom (Vader and Palpatine may have their suspicions of you and most of all you willingly open yourself to the dark side of the Force, an act as idiotic as Exar Kun's choices). I do hope, though, that you have fun time being interrogated by the ISB and sentencing millions of lives because of your stupidity.

Re: Petty hate for Pellaeon

Anything one says about Daala, one can usually say about Pellaeon as well (well, except quirky sexuality), he just comes off better by comparison by not being quite as bad. In case anyone forgot, he was Daala's key supporter, admirer, yes-man and second in command when she was a big shot (in Darksaber) and completely supported her idiotic and uselessly destructive terror attacks. He was an incompetent who illegally usurped command of the Empire, and the hagiography (in-character and in the EU) since they decided to make him the Imperial big kahuna is frankly nauseating.

**

Re: The Dark Side

Exposure to the dark side is not 40k Chaos Warp Corruption that makes one grow tentacles and Numbers of the Beast. It does not necessarily turn one into a drooling idiot; magi such as Count Serenno or Dessel demonstrate that one can retain one's sanity while drawing upon it for power. Even Darth Maul, as far as I recall his appearances, while obviously traumatised by his brutal upbringing, was not so much inherently evil (as in sadistic or psychopathic) as simply fanatic (which, again, was due to his training rather than the Force). With properly applied self-control, I am confident that I will not turn into a thuggish brute or giggling sadist.

**

Re: The Empire

I have stated my preference for the Empire over the mess that was the New Republic before, and I maintain this opinion. Palpatine is certainly evil and all that, but the Empire is the better overall option for the galaxy. I would prefer if this thread was not hijacked into yet another debate on the relative merits of the two main competing systems of galactic government in the post-Clone Wars period, so I will offer what I perceive to be the most convincing argument for my case for perusal and be done with it for now. If others here deem it to hold water, well and good; if not, can we please agree to disagree on the matter for the time being?

The case for the Empire: It caused much less death and disruption than the Rebellion or the New Republic

For the number of people killed by the Empire, the best source I could find was the X-wing Rogue Squadron story "Mandatory Retirement," which is set a year or so after the Battle of Endor. In it, Borsk Fey'lya (who, as anyone who reads the EU probably knows, is the polar opposite of a friend of the Empire), addressing Leia in the Rebel Ruling Council, refers to the Empire as follows:

[A] corrupt regime that has murdered billions, including your family.

(The context of the discussion is whether the Rebels should offer asylum to Sate Pestage, the Imperial Grand Vizier, who is currently planning to defect.)

Fey'lya thinks that the Empire has "murdered billions". He is a chief Rebel politician and should know such things reasonably well, and has no reason to tone any Imperial crimes down; on the contrary, his entire point is to disparage the Empire, so if he is smart he cites the highest reasonable estimate. As such, I think that this estimate can be considered reliable as a canonical upper limit on Imperial murder. To make it an upper limit, we will extend it a couple of orders of magnitude to hundreds of billions ("billions" is sufficiently vague that it could mean this).

So, for an upper-end estimate, the Imperial system of government, which was functional for somewhat less than twenty-five years, murdered, say, five hundred billion (500,000,000,000, or 5e11) sapient beings in this time.

Under the New Republic, which lasted as a government for a similar timespan, although it did not control the entire galactic territory over that entire time, at the very least a hundred times as many citizens died during the Yuuzhan Vong attack on Coruscant alone (using Curtis Saxton's minimum population estimates for the planet, "certainly no less than several hundred trillion" [3e14+] and assuming that at least 10 per cent of the planet's population died in the siege and Yuuzhan Vong occupation).

The New Republic may have meant well, but in terms of gross suffering it outdid the Empire by orders of magnitude. This is why I prefer its opponent as the galactic government.

**

Re: Risks of my plan

I count on my value, both as an intelligence asset and a Force-user, to see me through. In a worst-case scenario I can reveal myself as the Skywalker heir, whom both are canonically interested in preserving and subverting. These people are definitely not the trusting kind, so I do take a risk in submitting myself to them, but hardly greater than I would if I followed the script. Torture? Leia suffered that canonically. Millions dead? Billions died with Alderaan. The benefits of the gamble if it is successful are sufficient to justify the risks, or so I believe.

Of course, if we are looking into fanwankish scenarios all I have to do is bargain for time while I use my EU knowledge to track down the Lost Valley of the Jedi and then use its power to turn into God Almighty and smite down the Empire before righting all wrongs there ever were in Creation. But Q wanted fun, and that kind of scenario tends towards the boring.

[Crazedwraith]

Oh god you're an idiot. I like how you take the 'minimalistic' EU's word for granted when it comes to the deaths caused by The Empire. And then calculate you're own 'realistic' figures when it comes to the NR.

Plus, the figure for the Empire is that when they got stopped. Let them have free range with A Death Star for twenty five years. I figure they'll rack up a significantly larger kill count. And they'll be people actually intentionally murdered by their government.

[Darth Hoth]

EDIT:

My reply to Crazedwraith edited out. I said from the beginning that I did not want to hijack the thread with a discussion about the Empire, and thus would very much prefer not to continue to debate the point, here. Perhaps somewhere else, at some other time. I hope that this is alright with everyone?

[The Romulan Republic]

EDIT:

My reply to Crazedwraith edited out. I said from the beginning that I did not want to hijack the thread with a discussion about the Empire, and thus would very much prefer not to continue to debate the point, here. Perhaps somewhere else, at some other time. I hope that this is alright with everyone?

I would gladly continue the discussion in another thread. For the moment I'll leave it at reiterating the point perhaps most pertinent to this thread: it is not a choice between Palpatine's reign or the canon timeline. There are other alternatives for a powerful Force User with the knowledge we'd have in this situation.

[Crazedwraith]

EDIT:

My reply to Crazedwraith edited out. I said from the beginning that I did not want to hijack the thread with a discussion about the Empire, and thus would very much prefer not to continue to debate the point, here. Perhaps somewhere else, at some other time. I hope that this is alright with everyone?

Umm... No it's not. The discussion is actively germane to the thread. Whether you (as Leia) support the Empire or The Rebel Alliance. I'll piece together a response from my memory of your post.

First) My supposition on the Empire's kill rate is simply. They have a Death Star and they are willing to use it. Are you saying Tarkin's vaunted Doctrine is a bunch of bullshit. Blow up planets and people are going to protest, which will get there planet's blown up as well. Even in the best case the Empire is going to have to use the Death Star multiple times. Likely Killing billions with each discharge.

Second) Your claim that we have to choice between the Empire murdering billions with their evil and The NR killing trillions through negligence and incompetence, is a false dilemma. In this scenario, you are Leia, a founding member of the NR, a war hero and a greatly admired and skilled politician. You can pretty much write your own ticked and mold the NR from the start to more effective. Neatly sidestepping the issue that you think makes it necessary to side with the genocidal maniacs.

[Molyneux]

... And why would you do this massive act of sociopathy and total disregard for lives and personal freedom of billions of beings by helping two sociopath with supernatural powers to rule the galaxy with iron fist? I won't even mention the petty hate you have for Pellaeon (Daala I can understand), but your very choices are those of a Nazi sympathizer and, in fact, will probably end in your own doom (Vader and Palpatine may have their suspicions of you and most of all you willingly open yourself to the dark side of the Force, an act as idiotic as Exar Kun's choices). I do hope, though, that you have fun time being interrogated by the ISB and sentencing millions of lives because of your stupidity.

Re: Petty hate for Pellaeon

Anything one says about Daala, one can usually say about Pellaeon as well (well, except quirky sexuality), he just comes off better by comparison by not being quite as bad. In case anyone forgot, he was Daala's key supporter, admirer, yes-man and second in command when she was a big shot (in Darksaber) and completely supported her idiotic and uselessly destructive terror attacks. He was an incompetent who illegally usurped command of the Empire, and the hagiography (in-character and in the EU) since they decided to make him the Imperial big kahuna is frankly nauseating.

**

Re: The Dark Side

Exposure to the dark side is not 40k Chaos Warp Corruption that makes one grow tentacles and Numbers of the Beast. It does not necessarily turn one into a drooling idiot; magi such as Count Serenno or Dessel demonstrate that one can retain one's sanity while drawing upon it for power. Even Darth Maul, as far as I recall his appearances, while obviously traumatised by his brutal upbringing, was not so much inherently evil (as in sadistic or psychopathic) as simply fanatic (which, again, was due to his training rather than the Force). With properly applied self-control, I am confident that I will not turn into a thuggish brute or giggling sadist.

**

Re: The Empire

I have stated my preference for the Empire over the mess that was the New Republic before, and I maintain this opinion. Palpatine is certainly evil and all that, but the Empire is the better overall option for the galaxy. I would prefer if this thread was not hijacked into yet another debate on the relative merits of the two main competing systems of galactic government in the post-Clone Wars period, so I will offer what I perceive to be the most convincing argument for my case for perusal and be done with it for now. If others here deem it to hold water, well and good; if not, can we please agree to disagree on the matter for the time being?

The case for the Empire: It caused much less death and disruption than the Rebellion or the New Republic

For the number of people killed by the Empire, the best source I could find was the X-wing Rogue Squadron story "Mandatory Retirement," which is set a year or so after the Battle of Endor. In it, Borsk Fey'lya (who, as anyone who reads the EU probably knows, is the polar opposite of a friend of the Empire), addressing Leia in the Rebel Ruling Council, refers to the Empire as follows:

[A] corrupt regime that has murdered billions, including your family.

(The context of the discussion is whether the Rebels should offer asylum to Sate Pestage, the Imperial Grand Vizier, who is currently planning to defect.)

Fey'lya thinks that the Empire has "murdered billions". He is a chief Rebel politician and should know such things reasonably well, and has no reason to tone any Imperial crimes down; on the contrary, his entire point is to disparage the Empire, so if he is smart he cites the highest reasonable estimate. As such, I think that this estimate can be considered reliable as a canonical upper limit on Imperial murder. To make it an upper limit, we will extend it a couple of orders of magnitude to hundreds of billions ("billions" is sufficiently vague that it could mean this).

So, for an upper-end estimate, the Imperial system of government, which was functional for somewhat less than twenty-five years, murdered, say, five hundred billion (500,000,000,000, or 5e11) sapient beings in this time.

Under the New Republic, which lasted as a government for a similar timespan, although it did not control the entire galactic territory over that entire time, at the very least a hundred times as many citizens died during the Yuuzhan Vong attack on Coruscant alone (using Curtis Saxton's minimum population estimates for the planet, "certainly no less than several hundred trillion" [3e14+] and assuming that at least 10 per cent of the planet's population died in the siege and Yuuzhan Vong occupation).

The New Republic may have meant well, but in terms of gross suffering it outdid the Empire by orders of magnitude. This is why I prefer its opponent as the galactic government.

**

Re: Risks of my plan

I count on my value, both as an intelligence asset and a Force-user, to see me through. In a worst-case scenario I can reveal myself as the Skywalker heir, whom both are canonically interested in preserving and subverting. These people are definitely not the trusting kind, so I do take a risk in submitting myself to them, but hardly greater than I would if I followed the script. Torture? Leia suffered that canonically. Millions dead? Billions died with Alderaan. The benefits of the gamble if it is successful are sufficient to justify the risks, or so I believe.

Of course, if we are looking into fanwankish scenarios all I have to do is bargain for time while I use my EU knowledge to track down the Lost Valley of the Jedi and then use its power to turn into God Almighty and smite down the Empire before righting all wrongs there ever were in Creation. But Q wanted fun, and that kind of scenario tends towards the boring.

Two words: Institutionalized slavery, fucker.

Yes, that is three words, but the emphasis seemed well-deserved.

[Darth Hoth]

I would gladly continue the discussion in another thread. For the moment I'll leave it at reiterating the point perhaps most pertinent to this thread: it is not a choice between Palpatine's reign or the canon timeline. There are other alternatives for a powerful Force User with the knowledge we'd have in this situation.

I am a little short on time, and moreover, do not have all the books I would like for such an argument available at present. As such, I would ask that any fuller debate on the relative merits of the Empire be postponed indefinitely. Preferably I and my critics would agree to disagree for the present; if this is unacceptable under board rules, I am prepared to concede the argument for the time being.

First) My supposition on the Empire's kill rate is simply. They have a Death Star and they are willing to use it. Are you saying Tarkin's vaunted Doctrine is a bunch of bullshit. Blow up planets and people are going to protest, which will get there planet's blown up as well. Even in the best case the Empire is going to have to use the Death Star multiple times. Likely Killing billions with each discharge.

The Tarkin doctrine would call for Alderaan to be an example for others, right? But throughout the EU, from Marvel comics to the Essential Guide to Planets and Moons to the X-wing book series and comics the Alderaan destruction is covered up: The Empire blames it on natural disasters, meteors or even the Rebel Alliance itself destroying the planet. To me, this indicates that the Imperial policy makers did not want to make an example of Alderaan after all.

Second) Your claim that we have to choice between the Empire murdering billions with their evil and The NR killing trillions through negligence and incompetence, is a false dilemma. In this scenario, you are Leia, a founding member of the NR, a war hero and a greatly admired and skilled politician. You can pretty much write your own ticked and mold the NR from the start to more effective. Neatly sidestepping the issue that you think makes it necessary to side with the genocidal maniacs.

Leia is a skilled politician. I am not. I severely doubt my ability to change from the ground up a galaxywide polity, especially considering my working partners (Borsk Fey'lya or Other Passive-Aggressive Senator Of The Month). If skilled politicians such as Leia, Mothma and Bel Iblis could not build a functional government, what is to say that I can do much better? For all I try my meddling might end up putting Fey'lya or Viqi Shesh in as President from the beginning.

[The Romulan Republic]

Second) Your claim that we have to choice between the Empire murdering billions with their evil and The NR killing trillions through negligence and incompetence, is a false dilemma. In this scenario, you are Leia, a founding member of the NR, a war hero and a greatly admired and skilled politician. You can pretty much write your own ticked and mold the NR from the start to more effective. Neatly sidestepping the issue that you think makes it necessary to side with the genocidal maniacs.

Exactly. Also, depending on the individual's actions, its "Leia, a founding member of the NR, a war hero, a greatly admired and skilled politician, and a bloody Jedi Master." Play your cards right and you can probably keep Obi-wan alive as well. So instead of one powerful Jedi, the Republic starts out with three.

Of course, Mon Mothma is the ruler of the Alliance, and short of killing her or framing her for something (drastic and risky moves that could divide the Alliance), there's likely not much you can do in the short-term to change that. However, that doesn't mean the make-up of the government will be identical. Three possible changes you can make:

1) Keep Bail Organa alive. If I'm remembering The Thrawn Trilogy correctly, this may prevent Bel Iblis splitting.

2) As Leia, actively ally with Bel Iblis's faction. I have strong misgivings about this, as I don't know much about Bel Iblis politically and what I do know suggests a somewhat more ruthless and ambitious individual. However, he is a skilled military commander, and a Republic with a more prominent Bel Iblis would probably be militarily stronger.

3) This one bears repeating: keep Borsk Fey'lya out of the government. Minimize his involvement wherever possible. Dig up dirt on him (he probably has a long history of dirty politics). Maybe try to make the Rebellion/Republic less dependent on the Bothans in general.

Darth Hoth has a point about lacking Leia's political skill (of course some of us would be worse off than others here), but if we have her knowledge and her connections, plus Jedi powers and foreknowledge, that could go a long way.

[Crazedwraith]

I am a little short on time, and moreover, do not have all the books I would like for such an argument available at present. As such, I would ask that any fuller debate on the relative merits of the Empire be postponed indefinitely. Preferably I and my critics would agree to disagree for the present; if this is unacceptable under board rules, I am prepared to concede the argument for the time being.

Protip: if you don't want to argue any more don't try to get in the last word. Just say so. If you don't want to continue that's fine by me but if you post rebuttals to my points afterwards I'll still reply to them.

The Tarkin doctrine would call for Alderaan to be an example for others, right? But throughout the EU, from Marvel comics to the Essential Guide to Planets and Moons to the X-wing book series and comics the Alderaan destruction is covered up: The Empire blames it on natural disasters, meteors or even the Rebel Alliance itself destroying the planet. To me, this indicates that the Imperial policy makers did not want to make an example of Alderaan after all.

This cover up would be after The Battle Of Yavin, right? ie) After they lost the Death Star and thus the stick that was supposed to keep everyone in line. Of course they tried to cover it up by that point they'd got all the negatives of the scheme (people knew and were morally outraged that they were willing to blow up entire planets) and none of the positives. (people didn't have to be afraid their planet would be blown up)

Leia is a skilled politician. I am not. I severely doubt my ability to change from the ground up a galaxywide polity, especially considering my working partners (Borsk Fey'lya or Other Passive-Aggressive Senator Of The Month). If skilled politicians such as Leia, Mothma and Bel Iblis could not build a functional government, what is to say that I can do much better? For all I try my meddling might end up putting Fey'lya or Viqi Shesh in as President from the beginning.

You also don't have force powers. Yet you still want to be trained as a Sith. I thought we were assuming that we got Leia's knowledge and so forth along with our own; otherwise none of us is going to be able to significantly effect the timeline.

[Simon_Jester]

First) My supposition on the Empire's kill rate is simply. They have a Death Star and they are willing to use it. Are you saying Tarkin's vaunted Doctrine is a bunch of bullshit. Blow up planets and people are going to protest, which will get there planet's blown up as well. Even in the best case the Empire is going to have to use the Death Star multiple times. Likely Killing billions with each discharge.

The Tarkin doctrine would call for Alderaan to be an example for others, right? But throughout the EU, from Marvel comics to the Essential Guide to Planets and Moons to the X-wing book series and comics the Alderaan destruction is covered up: The Empire blames it on natural disasters, meteors or even the Rebel Alliance itself destroying the planet. To me, this indicates that the Imperial policy makers did not want to make an example of Alderaan after all.

Speculation: this was the backup plan.

The plan was to have the Death Star available as a terror weapon: "Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battlestation." With the DS-I being blown up so soon after Alderaan, the Empire couldn't enact its terror doctrine because it wouldn't have anything to do the terrorizing with.

So they had to deny responsibility for the destruction of Alderaan and (partially) abandon the Tarkin Doctrine, for want of the tools to enforce it with. If the Death Star hadn't been destroyed at Yavin, no doubt the Empire would soon have openly said "The Rebels are crushed, obey or be blown up by our improbably powerful Mimas lookalike!"

Any outcome that doesn't lead to the destruction of the first Death Star is likely to see the Empire formally and fully embrace the Tarkin Doctrine. Tarkin wouldn't enjoy such Imperial favor if the Emperor didn't like his attitude, after all.

[Darth Hoth]

Protip: if you don't want to argue any more don't try to get in the last word. Just say so. If you don't want to continue that's fine by me but if you post rebuttals to my points afterwards I'll still reply to them.

Your pardon. Consider the argument dropped, then.

You also don't have force powers. Yet you still want to be trained as a Sith. I thought we were assuming that we got Leia's knowledge and so forth along with our own; otherwise none of us is going to be able to significantly effect the timeline.

(I will reply to this one anyway, since it relates directly to the original topic of the thread.)

I assumed the sensitivity to the Force to be an inherent physical quality, as opposed to a learned skill (which, on the other hand, proficiency in its use is). Thus, it would be carried along with the body. For the same, I assumed that I obtained a working knowledge of Leia's work and personal relationship (which is vitally necessary if I am, or any of us are, not to be momentarily exposed as impostors). I did not read into the OP that I was to have all her skills, nor her personality.

[Crazedwraith]

On the other hand, if we don't have her skills. We're going to eventually get rumbled anyway, in the long term. People are going to notice if Leia suddenly becomes talentless and has no clue how to do her job effectively at all.

Given that notion, I'd have to fake some personal disaster and drop out of my public life straight away to try and figure out just what the hell to do.

[Darth Hoth]

Perhaps we should ask the OP to clarify that point. Over a week or so before the film action one might (perhaps, and with an isoton of luck) be able to fake it in the Senate and so forth without indepth knowledge there, but one would at least need to know the local language to fit in . . .

[FaxModem1]

Okay, fine. You have all the physical and mental abilities that come with Leia's body. Meaning you can speak basic, know that random senator from wherever and can remember the budget plan for next year. However, your memories are there and your personality is there. As for force abilities, that's a physical ability, so congrats, you're a force potential.

And Q is impressed with Darth Hoth's plan. A continuation of genocide and slavery for the survival of everyone else. You're interesting if nothing else.