The Old Republic: World of Star Wars?

[Ritterin Sophia]

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Go fuck yourself, you moronic windbag. I didn't ignore his fucking argument I asked him to show it, he refuses to show it and I'm not obligated to make arguments for him. And I don't care if you know for a fact, I'm quite sure I'm not trusting Dalton the Anonymous or any of his fucking friends. The evidence is right there all he has to do is show the fucking scaling.

[Dalton]

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Go fuck yourself, you moronic windbag. I didn't ignore his fucking argument I asked him to show it, he refuses to show it and I'm not obligated to make arguments for him. And I don't care if you know for a fact, I'm quite sure I'm not trusting Dalton the Anonymous or any of his fucking friends. The evidence is right there all he has to do is show the fucking scaling.

AR6 violations aside, you should have called Eleas out for making an appeal to authority. You instead chose to claim that he was a permavirgin, again without proof. And now you are accusing me of lying just to back Eleas up.

[Ritterin Sophia]

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Go fuck yourself, you moronic windbag. I didn't ignore his fucking argument I asked him to show it, he refuses to show it and I'm not obligated to make arguments for him. And I don't care if you know for a fact, I'm quite sure I'm not trusting Dalton the Anonymous or any of his fucking friends. The evidence is right there all he has to do is show the fucking scaling.

AR6 violations aside, you should have called Eleas out for making an appeal to authority. You instead chose to claim that he was a permavirgin, again without proof. And now you are accusing me of lying just to back Eleas up.

Are you fucking serious? I suppose the next time someone calls another person a cocksucker or a hatfucker you're going to apply DR 6 violation as well, eh? Get the fuck out of here you pompous jackass. I didn't insult you for doing your job, I insulted you for being a moronic windbag who fucking likes to play games with the rules, like you're doing now. If you know the guy maybe you should bow out for conflict of interest, or does that only apply to Alyeska?

[Dalton]

Are you fucking serious? I suppose the next time someone calls another person a cocksucker or a hatfucker you're going to apply DR 6 violation as well, eh?

Insults are fine, as I'm sure you're well aware, but since that seemed to be the focus of your counterargument, you should have backed it up. If that was not what you meant to say, perhaps you should have worded your response differently.

Get the fuck out of here you pompous jackass. I didn't insult you for doing your job, I insulted you for being a moronic windbag who fucking likes to play games with the rules, like you're doing now.

So let me get this straight: you're not insulting me for doing my job, but you ARE accusing me of playing games with the rules (i.e. abusing my power), while also telling me to "get the fuck out of here". I just want to be clear here.

[Eleas]

Go fuck yourself, you moronic windbag. I didn't ignore his fucking argument I asked him to show it, he refuses to show it and I'm not obligated to make arguments for him. And I don't care if you know for a fact, I'm quite sure I'm not trusting Dalton the Anonymous or any of his fucking friends. The evidence is right there all he has to do is show the fucking scaling.

...well now. That was pretty stupid of you, kiddo. The fact is that I need show no fucking scaling whatsoever, seeing as my claims were actually correct. My girlfriend (who briefly visited this forum under the moniker Psychodelica) not only exists, but is an accredited seamstress, who furthermore specializes in historical underwear and corsetry... and who, hilariously, has D cup breasts herself.

You, on the other hand, did not offer an argument. You presented an image without source, of an unknown woman (who might or might not have DD cup tits, but who definitely has padding in that bra) coupled with a grade-school insult. In conjunction with this non-sequitur, it must be noted that you singled out only one of my points and ignored the rest until you claimed I had not backed up any points, when, obvious to any adult observer, I was the only one prepared to do so.

Of course, that's disregarding the more illuminating aspects of your reply. When someone says "actually, I do have a girlfriend, and she works with this shit so she'd know", there are a number of ways to go from there. You could, for instance, have requested she go online, or asked for a picture of her and me, or anything at all in that vein.

Instead, there's this visceral howl of manifest disbelief. "A relationship with a real live girl? Unpossible! That kind of shit doesn't happen in real life!" I must wonder at the kind of personality it takes to immediately assume other people lie when they claim to have known a woman's touch.

But here's a tip to you from the adult end of the aisle: sex isn't a big deal. Relationships tend to happen more or less by themselves (it's the effort at making a good relationship last that actually takes a lot of work). So yeah. Getting a girlfriend is child's play for most anyone willing to put up with basic hygiene and a modicum of personality. If you like, I'll send you a starter kit.


Pint0: I'd like to (politely, or at the least with more politeness than Schatten deserves), ask for your forbearance for an hour or two before I respond to your post. Hopefully, by that time I'll be able to type without laughing.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Insults are fine, as I'm sure you're well aware, but since that seemed to be the focus of your counterargument, you should have backed it up. If that was not what you meant to say, perhaps you should have worded your response differently.

Again, I dismissed him because he refused to post evidence.

So let me get this straight: you're not insulting me for doing my job, but you ARE accusing me of playing games with the rules (i.e. abusing my power), while also telling me to "get the fuck out of here". I just want to be clear here.

The 'get the fuck out of here' is in the phrased sense IE You're talking bullshit. Yes, I am, if he's your friend then you should recuse yourself from the discussion as there's a blatant conflict of interest. As we can see here. Oh and trying to apply DR6 violation to a fucking insult when I'm dismissing him because he refuses to post valid evidence.

[Ritterin Sophia]

...well now. That was pretty stupid of you, kiddo. The fact is that I need show no fucking scaling whatsoever, seeing as my claims were actually correct. My girlfriend (who briefly visited this forum under the moniker Psychodelica) not only exists, but is an accredited seamstress, who furthermore specializes in historical underwear and corsetry... and who, hilariously, has D cup breasts herself.

I frankly don't give a fuck, post the evidence now rather than appealing to 'well my girlfriend says'.

You, on the other hand, did not offer an argument. You presented an image without source, of an unknown woman (who might or might not have DD cup tits, but who definitely has padding in that bra) coupled with a grade-school insult. In conjunction with this non-sequitur, it must be noted that you singled out only one of my points and ignored the rest until you claimed I had not backed up any points, when, obvious to any adult observer, I was the only one prepared to do so.

I don't really need to offer up a counter argument when you made no valid argument.

Of course, that's disregarding the more illuminating aspects of your reply. When someone says "actually, I do have a girlfriend, and she works with this shit so she'd know", there are a number of ways to go from there. You could, for instance, have requested she go online, or asked for a picture of her and me, or anything at all in that vein.

Again, not believing you.

Instead, there's this visceral howl of manifest disbelief. "A relationship with a real live girl? Unpossible! That kind of shit doesn't happen in real life!" I must wonder at the kind of personality it takes to immediately assume other people lie when they claim to have known a woman's touch.

Are you a psychologist? Why the fuck are you analyzing if you aren't qualified.

But here's a tip to you from the adult end of the aisle: sex isn't a big deal. Relationships tend to happen more or less by themselves (it's the effort at making a good relationship last that actually takes a lot of work). So yeah. Getting a girlfriend is child's play for most anyone willing to put up with basic hygiene and a modicum of personality. If you like, I'll send you a starter kit.

Jesus fucking Christ, t's a god damn insult for you acting like a God damn jackass.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I wanted to note that I don't think Dalton a bad mod, though I do think he has made some bad judgements (the time where he worded his return insult in such a way to sound like a threat to myself being one that comes to mind) and I do think he's in the wrong trying to apply a DR6 rule violation on an insult when Eleas refused to provide any evidence other than an appeal to his could or could not be girlfriend and for Dalton to involve himself in this thread when he has a personal relationship with him. I'm not advocating he be fired or sanctioned or any such bullshit, I'm just saying he acted like an ass in this incident and needs to recuse himself from it.

[Eleas]

The 'get the fuck out of here' is in the phrased sense IE You're talking bullshit. Yes, I am, if he's your friend then you should recuse yourself from the discussion as there's a blatant conflict of interest. As we can see here. Oh and trying to apply DR6 violation to a fucking insult when I'm dismissing him because he refuses to post valid evidence.

1. Just like the picture you pinned your hopes and dreams upon, that link does not say what you think it says. That thread does not contain any discussion of friendship, it involved the fact that Alyeska was in the thread and part of the argument itself. Dalton came here because I asked him for advice on whom to go to. If he's here - and Rob is known for his impartiality in these matters - it would be because the argument is clear-cut.

2. You did not, in fact, dismiss me for any refusal to post evidence. You posted a picture without reference and coupled it with an insult. As you and I both know painfully well, I was the only one prepared to back up my words with actual substance. The only reason I didn't was your disinclination to actually post a coherent argument.

I frankly don't give a fuck, post the evidence now rather than appealing to 'well my girlfriend says'.

On the assumption that you want me to "refute" an unknown, photoshopped image of a likewise unknown woman with unknown bust size + padding... apologies, I must take a moment in order to compose myself. On that assumption, I'm supposed to prove exactly what? That your picture is what you say it is relevant at all (remember, you've said nothing about your supposed evidence). All I have to offer is

1. The fact that my girlfriend exists, which is easily enough proven.
2. The fact that she has a company homepage regarding her work, also easy to prove. This homepage is, furthermore, hosted on http://www.drunok.org/, which as the name attests is my server.
3. The fact that we can get any Swedish speaker we like to translate the company registry information of her company, Alva Korsetter och Kostym.

This proves that she is eminently qualified to judge such things. You have shown neither inclination or ability to do so yourself. You have, on the other hand, been a fan of insulting her during the brief time she spent here. Granted, you were not alone in that regard, but I find it's curious considering that 1) I've never made a secret of being together with her and 2) the instant I mentioned my girlfriend, you flew into an incandescent rage.

It's interesting, is all.

[Eleas]

I don't really need to offer up a counter argument when you made no valid argument.

Really? So what you're arguing is that I have not disproved the argument you didn't give. That's cute.

Are you a psychologist? Why the fuck are you analyzing if you aren't qualified.

That's the sort of reaction I was going for, really - a white-hot, indignant denial. To a grown-up, what I've said - much like your earlier insults - can be shrugged off, because we don't need that kind of validation. You, on the other hand, are obviously lashing out in anger. Doesn't take a psychologist to grasp the patently obvious.

[Ritterin Sophia]

1. Just like the picture you pinned your hopes and dreams upon, that link does not say what you think it says. That thread does not contain any discussion of friendship, it involved the fact that Alyeska was in the thread and part of the argument itself. Dalton came here because I asked him for advice on whom to go to. If he's here - and Rob is known for his impartiality in these matters - it would be because the argument is clear-cut.

Yes, it does, Alyeska was moderating a thread he was deeply involved in and moderating a thread where you have a personal relationship with the person involved is still a conflict of interest especially when attempt to enforce a rule in a way that has never been done before.

2. You did not, in fact, dismiss me for any refusal to post evidence. You posted a picture without reference and coupled it with an insult. As you and I both know painfully well, I was the only one prepared to back up my words with actual substance. The only reason I didn't was your disinclination to actually post a coherent argument.

You said they were objectifying women and suggesting grossly unreasonable character models, I showed models of the other major MMOs. TOR does not even show skin below the neck. Then you try saying their boobs are overly large with, 'well my girlfriend says' and refuse to show how she determined as such.

On the assumption that you want me to "refute" an unknown, photoshopped image of a likewise unknown woman with unknown bust size + padding... apologies, I must take a moment in order to compose myself. On that assumption, I'm supposed to prove exactly what? That your picture is what you say it is relevant at all (remember, you've said nothing about your supposed evidence). All I have to offer is

1. The fact that my girlfriend exists, which is easily enough proven.
2. The fact that she has a company homepage regarding her work, also easy to prove. This homepage is, furthermore, hosted on http://www.drunok.org/, which as the name attests is my server.
3. The fact that we can get any Swedish speaker we like to translate the company registry information of her company, Alva Korsetter och Kostym.

This proves that she is eminently qualified to judge such things. You have shown neither inclination or ability to do so yourself. You have, on the other hand, been a fan of insulting her during the brief time she spent here. Granted, you were not alone in that regard, but I find it's curious considering that 1) I've never made a secret of being together with her and 2) the instant I mentioned my girlfriend, you flew into an incandescent rage.

Because 1. I don't care about your personal fucking life, 2. I'm in a disagreement with you where you're being completely overly critical about a videogame, and 3. I don't care about your personal life. Appeals to authority are not a way to get out of showing your work, which I've asked you for four times now and which you refuse to show. Also, lol at the photoshop bullshit, it's a screenshot taken from the game itself.

That's the sort of reaction I was going for, really - a white-hot, indignant denial. To a grown-up, what I've said - much like your earlier insults - can be shrugged off, because we don't need that kind of validation. You, on the other hand, are obviously lashing out in anger. Doesn't take a psychologist to grasp the patently obvious.

No, an adult does not psychoanalyze someone over an internet discussion.

[Eleas]

Yes, it does, Alyeska was moderating a thread he was deeply involved in and moderating a thread where you have a personal relationship with the person involved is still a conflict of interest especially when attempt to enforce a rule in a way that has never been done before.

Bwahaha! Oh, this is rich. We've seen trollish behaviour like yours a hundred times since the board was founded, kiddo. You're nothing special.

You said they were fucking objectifying women and suggesting grossly unreasonable character models, I showed models of the other major MMOs. TOR does not even show skin below the neck. Then you try saying their boobs are overly large with, 'well my girlfriend says'.

And as I said before, in the face of your wall of ignorance, other MMOs are not the yardstick by which objectification is measured, troll boy. My response to your inane blathering was not "my girlfriend says", but rather "my girlfriend, who sews period underwear, says." Not that it would matter, since she has what you don't, i.e. breasts (not to mention intelligence).

Because 1. I don't care about your personal fucking life,

Don't you fucking dare, you little bitch. You don't get to dictate the terms by which you are to listen to my evidence. If I give insufficient evidence for your precious sensibilities, you will demand evidence or slink away like the little shit that you are. You don't get to dismiss the word of someone purely on the grounds that "it's your personal life." And you did, without any inclination to provide a constructive solution. All you looked for was a way to make a single nitpick on part of my argument, because you were too much of a slack-jaw to provide a counterargument. Well, the problem is that you still pretended to address what I said, only in bad faith. Par for the course by now, of course.

Appeals to authority are not a way to get out of showing your work,

My work?! Where have you asked me to show anything that I have produced, troll child? You posted an underwear model, unsourced and completely random, as some sort of asinine attempt at refutal. Incredibly, you actually seem to want me to produce photographic evidence of what a real woman's tits look like. Jesus fucking Christ. This is pathetic on a level I didn't know could exist.

No, an adult does not psychoanalyze someone over an internet discussion.

Fuck you, you little snot. Adulthood means actually taking responsibility for your own actions. It certainly does not mean I have to curb my tone when pointing out your many and various handicaps.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I'm done this is utterly ridiculous.

[Eleas]

I'm done this is utterly ridiculous.

Buh-bye, troll. We'll miss you always.

[Thanas]

Alright, Eleas:

This all stems from your assertion:

Not to belabour the point, but I suspect this is also one reason why the women of this game all seem to look like cartoonified pornstars.

You also acted like a giant douchebag throughout the thread, but that is just my opinion of your conduct. However, I'd like you to back up this assertion of yours. Now, admittedly, I do not know any Pornstars. However, from what I can see, the girls in both Kotor 1 and 2 are looking rather like models. But I do not understand what your problem with it is - after all, all males look like models in the game as well.

[Eleas]

Okay, first of all, an apology to Pint0 for conflating his posts with that of Schatten's in my response. Some unnecessary vitriol there, I guess. I'll be a bit more cogent henceforth.

In one of the dev videos, it's said that the look of the game should resemble KOTOR very closely (they dub it "stylized realism"). But of course, KOTOR is 7 years old and while SWTOR looks similar, it does look marginally better. I don't know what what fucking Eleashithead (Yes, I can asininely make fun of names too) is talking about in regards of "new art direction" but it's been clear from day one that the game is supposed to be a continuation of KOTOR and it makes little sense to deviate too much from the art style of KOTOR.

I interpreted this in a different way, to mean that the art style would take bits of KotOR and then apply what they termed "stylized realism". I personally think it looks like that, and it would fit in with what WoW does; i.e. you have to make everything a bit more extreme and stylish, so as to be more distinct while still being visible at range.

I interpret that as a simplification, and I believe I can see it in the videos. If you want to continue the discussion by comparing pictures, I'll provide them. Just be aware that I'm not comparing it to MMOs in general, because that was not my argument at all; I'm comparing it to the movies and the general tone of the classical Star Wars universe.

Granted, this is a phenomenon not confined to the games. I never claimed it was. I do think it's a bad trend, and that they're cementing it and pushing the envelopes with present-day character designs for Star Wars games.

Is this sufficiently nonambiguous to make a continued discussion useful?

[Thanas]

Okay, first of all, an apology to Pint0 for conflating his posts with that of Schatten's in my response. Some unnecessary vitriol there, I guess. I'll be a bit more cogent henceforth.

In one of the dev videos, it's said that the look of the game should resemble KOTOR very closely (they dub it "stylized realism"). But of course, KOTOR is 7 years old and while SWTOR looks similar, it does look marginally better. I don't know what what fucking Eleashithead (Yes, I can asininely make fun of names too) is talking about in regards of "new art direction" but it's been clear from day one that the game is supposed to be a continuation of KOTOR and it makes little sense to deviate too much from the art style of KOTOR.

I interpreted this in a different way, to mean that the art style would take bits of KotOR and then apply what they termed "stylized realism". I personally think it looks like that, and it would fit in with what WoW does; i.e. you have to make everything a bit more extreme and stylish, so as to be more distinct while still being visible at range.

I interpret that as a simplification, and I believe I can see it in the videos. If you want to continue the discussion by comparing pictures, I'll provide them.

Please do. I'd be most interested in that and your argument for why the women all look like glorified pornstars, because I am not seeing it.

[Eleas]

Alright, Eleas:

This all stems from your assertion:

Not to belabour the point, but I suspect this is also one reason why the women of this game all seem to look like cartoonified pornstars.

You also acted like a giant douchebag throughout the thread, but that is just my opinion of your conduct. However, I'd like you to back up this assertion of yours. Now, admittedly, I do not know any Pornstars. However, from what I can see, the girls in both Kotor 1 and 2 are looking rather like models. But I do not understand what your problem with it is - after all, all males look like models in the game as well.

Looking back... I believe my chief mistake was in making snide comments at fans as a whole, thus (not really by intention) including Pint0 and Schatten in the mockery. That wasn't really necessary. I do feel a vast irritation over the idea that Star Wars games must become increasingly more generic; the design was one aspect only. It was this stupid notion that female characters (who earlier had a breadth of design and attitude) slowly have come to approach this waif-with-baloons ideal of every other game out there. That is my problem: the sameness.

Then, as to how I well communicated that point... that, I'm not so proud of.

Please do. I'd be most interested in that and your argument for why the women all look like glorified pornstars, because I am not seeing it.

All right. Posts will be forthcoming shortly.

[Pendragon]

...

Out of curiosity, since I've lurked so long I've forgotten what passes as etiquette on this particular board, if had something to say about the game at this point, would I, in fact, be going off topic?

Because I was a bit curious about what people know about how the single player campaign is going to be implemented? Can I play it offline and pretend there is no multiplayer or will I be wading through every goddamn online fucktard trying to get to the same quests as I am, like, say, Warhammer Online, and I assume WoW? Because people online are fucking idiots who exists solely to piss me off... except you guys of course.

[Thanas]

^Nah, discussing that is all right. After all, this is a general thread about the game now.

[Pint0 Xtreme]

Okay, first of all, an apology to Pint0 for conflating his posts with that of Schatten's in my response. Some unnecessary vitriol there, I guess. I'll be a bit more cogent henceforth.

I don't enjoy engaging in flaming discussions much, even if I feel obligated to return fire for fire. A return to civility is definitely welcomed and so is clarity of the discussion.

I interpreted this in a different way, to mean that the art style would take bits of KotOR and then apply what they termed "stylized realism". I personally think it looks like that, and it would fit in with what WoW does; i.e. you have to make everything a bit more extreme and stylish, so as to be more distinct while still being visible at range.

I interpret that as a simplification, and I believe I can see it in the videos. If you want to continue the discussion by comparing pictures, I'll provide them. Just be aware that I'm not comparing it to MMOs in general, because that was not my argument at all; I'm comparing it to the movies and the general tone of the classical Star Wars universe.

Granted, this is a phenomenon not confined to the games. I never claimed it was. I do think it's a bad trend, and that they're cementing it and pushing the envelopes with present-day character designs for Star Wars games.

Are you speaking just about character design in SWTOR or does the entire art style with terrain and other art assets such as building models also feel simplified? I can see how all the characters presented so far are very generic looking but I can't complain about the way the worlds and buildings look (They look fabulous IMO, actually). I think it's also important to remember that not only is this a game a year away from being a finished product but that also the development team have strongly hinted at other playable species and that there's the strong possibility that they aren't done working on character designs. We're likely seeing the template characters. I mean we are speculating on a game that's a whole year away from launch.

[Eleas]

Okay. Let's first start with this. I'm not sure of the rules for hotlinking, so to be sure, I'll link to it.

http://pc.gamespy.com/dor/objects/81693 ... =mediaFull

The prim and proper bridge officer. Body shape is slim, with sizeable breasts. She looks to be around 25. At least the dress code is allright, but the issue is which sort of female characters are represented in the game. Yes, she holds her arms in a way that would define the breasts of a normal woman. This, however, is a polygon model; they don't deform that way.

http://pc.gamespy.com/dor/objects/81693 ... =mediaFull

Presumably, a Sith Inquisitor. This pic is actually quite good, and I find this character less objectionable than other pics of the women in the game (when they're not wearing heavy armor to block it). The Inquisitor still has the enormous tits and the aforementioned body shape, but the clothing confers some amount of distinct presence. Still looks in the same age bracket, though, but possibly could be older.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4iL5uUDf5I#t=0m54s

The Betrayed video. This is the choice you get. A bonnet, lipgloss or not, long hair or not. But always wasp-waisted, always the cover girl of today. In the walkthrough video of the Hutta bounty hunt, the very introduction of the female there had her speak in breathy innuendo.

http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/images/04/15/4 ... normal.jpg

Same body type.

Well then, the men.

http://cache.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/173390_S ... review.jpg

Generic male, as you say.

http://pc.gamespy.com/dor/objects/81693 ... 13750.html

Bulky, muscular man, almost thuggish. Quite different in features from the first one.

http://pc.gamespy.com/dor/objects/81693 ... 30177.html

Bald man.

http://pc.gamespy.com/dor/objects/81693 ... 01980.html

Man who has walked through an oil fire (or similar).

http://darthhater.com/wp-content/galler ... een-85.png

Woman who looks... exactly like the rest.

So, seeing as we have a large hulking bounty hunter in the movie as well (which I couldn't find pictures of, alas) with a broken nose, I have to ask... where are the broken-nosed women? The bald ones? The ones who look like feminine representations of the old man we see is your mentor? Nowhere.



Other games also have this problem in spades, you may say, and yeah, you'd be absolutely right. That's not the problem I was addressing. The problem is that this is one generic issue among many, and indicative of the overall trend of blandness we see in the game. The people in this thread who attempted to explain away all the continuity questions I raised were missing the point; of course we can create convoluted explanations for what are either errors born of laziness, or changes that don't seem to be going anywhere.

[Thanas]

Eh...you are basing your arguments on screenshots from previews? That is not really that good of an argument. That said, the body type is well in evidence when looking at earlier SW pictures, heck even looking at the movies. You might just as well argue that Secura looked like a pornstar, or that Carrie Fisher's clothing in RotJ made her look like one.

Honestly, I do not get what your problem is. You seem to have latched on this one game when the entire SW EU and the movies themselves are far more "sexist".

And I find this especially puzzling since the game is not even out yet and there is no way of knowing how much freedom you'd have. Heck, the first KOTOR had almost no freedom in body type for men and women alike.

[Eleas]

Okay, first of all, an apology to Pint0 for conflating his posts with that of Schatten's in my response. Some unnecessary vitriol there, I guess. I'll be a bit more cogent henceforth.

I don't enjoy engaging in flaming discussions much, even if I feel obligated to return fire for fire. A return to civility is definitely welcomed and so is clarity of the discussion.

Allright, I'll do my best. I'll state for the record - assuming I rate that benefit of doubt - that I posted my reply to you before Thanas made his post. This is not an attempt at sucking up to moderation.

Are you speaking just about character design in SWTOR or does the entire art style with terrain and other art assets such as building models also feel simplified?

Indeed, it's the characters. My point has more to do with the kind of universe they present, rather than the fidelity of detail. My point was that among all details they felt could be sacrificed vis a vis inflated, they retained a highly uncommon body structure that just happens to be considered the most sexy in mainstream today. This last is my subjective judgement; your mileage may vary. At any rate, it was a comment made in conjunction with the rest: that I feel it's done simply to be more in line with all the other space-games, as well as with other MMOs.

I can see how all the characters presented so far are very generic looking but I can't complain about the way the worlds and buildings look (They look fabulous IMO, actually).

The backdrops are indeed stunning. You'll get no argument from me there.

I think it's also important to remember that not only is this a game a year away from being a finished product but that also the development team have strongly hinted at other playable species and that there's the strong possibility that they aren't done working on character designs. We're likely seeing the template characters. I mean we are speculating on a game that's a whole year away from launch.

Yeah, I know. I'm griping about the templates, basically, and not only in regards to the characters, but in other choices as well. I feel they're being sloppy, and taking the easiest possible rote on the order of "there is a new Sith Lord who's exactly like Vader except we can see part of his face".

[Gramzamber]

The fact that women have less variety when it comes to scars, "broken noses" and general unattractiveness is hardly unique to this game.
Society in general seems to find these features in men more acceptable as a sign of "ruggedness" or badassery.
Just look at Fable 2 where idiots actually complain because a max strength female becomes just as much of a muscle-bound freak as the male.
You can hardly point to BioWare and claim some sort of sexism over that.

The bodies are a little too perfect and cartoonish, yes. But then the whole game looks rather cartoonish, and the men's bodies aren't exactly the epitome of realism either.