Bellosh101 wrote:You know what, I think it's time that I brought out Jedi vs. Sith to prove once and for all the absurdity of a "good" Sith. But before I do, may I ask why is there no such thing as a Light Lord of the Sith? I mean seriously, if Sith really don't have to be Dark Side junkies as some of you blokes claim, why is Sith culture filled with titles such as "Dark Lord" and "Darth"?
Why in an anarchic system would those with the guns rise above all the others, the Dark Side is a quicker and easier way to power and any light side Sith would quickly get left behind his peers.
In the case of Darth, Jedi vs. Sith gives us an etymology lesson about how the word was possibly derived from Rakatan words such as Daritha meaning "emperor", daar meaning "conquest", and tah meaning "death". It further explains that Darth most likely originated from the Rakatan phrase darr tah, which means "conquest through death... of one's enemies".
I would very much like to see the quote.
With all of these connotations behind the word Darth, it's quite apparent then that those who embrace the title of Darth do so either because they embrace the Dark Side or because they enjoy using vocabulary from a previous imperial power that subjugated a good portion of the galaxy (with the Dark Side). In other words, all Darths are precluded from being "good" Sith.
And 'executive' comes from 'executif', which comes from 'executivus', which comes from 'exequi'. 'Exequi' is the word from which we get 'executioner'.
Now then, let's get to some primary sources from the Sith themselves as presented in Jedi vs. Sith. In "The Conquest of Sith Space" by Ajunta Pall, a former Jedi who became one of the very first Sith Lords, he describes how "when a cadre of ambitious Jedi opened themselves to the dark side, they discovered the Force could be used to bend life itself... well, that was the leap we had to make". Further on, Pall expresses regret that more of the Jedi couldn't be persuaded to "join us in darkness". Then Pall describes his affiliation as the "Dark Lords of the Sith" (who had only recently conquering the Sith species) and mocks the "power-inhibiting rules of [Jedi] conduct". Just from this one document alone, we see that the reason why the Sith split from the Jedi in the first place was all about the use of the Dark Side. All the original founders of the Sith Empire in one way or another endorsed selfishness, psychopathic values, and "darkness". There's nowhere in his text where Pall mentions anything about the general use of "passion".
Then obviously the Sith evolved into something else as it becomes a part of the Sith Code.
Speaking of "passion", we now get to Lord Qordis who comments on our beloved Sith Code. Well according to his own words, his Sith Code "will lead you to the true power of the Force: the power of the dark side". Nowhere is it said that the Sith Code is meant to be anything other than an excuse to indulge in Force-assisted narcissism and psychopathy. Since all the Founding Fathers of the Sith were unquestionably dark siders and that no alternate intrepreation of the Sith Code is provided other than the orthodox pro-dark side view, it is not likely at all that a follower of Sith teachings, which all revolve around the Dark Side, could be considered "good".
Passion does not necessarily lead to the Dark Side, this is one of the major themes of the prequels and a major factor in why the Jedi Order was wrong and the New Jedi Order allows people to marry. And again, since you don't seem to be up on you Sith history, Qordis is not alive until two millenium after this game. For all we know the Sith decided to go all Abigensian Crusade on their asses.
Further evidence of the unbreakable link between the Sith and the dark side is present in Brotherhood of Darkness member Seviss Vaa's article about Sith worlds, where he states that there are academies on some worlds where students are taught "to use the dark side for secrecy, deception, and manipulation" without making any such to the light side. An addendum to that article by Palpatine makes the observation that most Sith worlds end up barren; "this is only natural, given how the dark side drains energy from living things". It's quite obvious that if the light side was used by the Sith, their own worlds wouldn't be turning into wastelands.
Again there's nothing in this that says a Sith can not be good, simply that an overwhelming majority of Sith are and the good ones would be so rare as to nearly be nonexistent.
Now we come to the Sith holocron of Darth Revan, which was studied by Darth Bane on Korriban. According to Darth Bane's transcriptions, Revan makes this damning statement; "Those who you the dark side are also bound to serve it. To understand this is to understand the underlying philosophy of the Sith". Just to make things extra clear, Revan goes on to describe how one should above all else seek power for power's sake, and that traits like mercy, compassion, and loyalty are to be avoided at all costs. Finally, Revan proclaims that the ruler of the Sith has to be "the very embodiment... of the dark side" and that "the stong rule: the weak are meant to serve." There is absolutely no argument to be made that the fundamental principles of Sith ideology are in no way connected to the dark side.
Benedict XVII: Those damnable Protestants aren't real Christians!
The teachings of the Sith, along with their culture, are based entirely on the use of the dark side of the Force. All the Founding Fathers of the Sith Order rebelled because they wanted to use the dark side.
Wanted the freedom to use it.
The etymology behind the Sith's most cherished titles, "Dark Lord of the Sith" and "Darth", leave no room for non-evil connotations.
Which is good if you want to know where it came from.
All of the worlds ruled by the Sith Lords are ruined by the dark side.
Which only means that an overwhelming majority use the Dark Side.
Finally, Revan makes it clear that the underlying philosophy of the Sith is all about the dark side. If one fails to embrace the dark side, then one can't be called a Sith.
So all belief systems are static, never changing? Here I always thought the earliest Christians still felt themselves to be Jews. Oh and the Jensaarai don't actually exist alongside Luke's New Jedi Order.
), the Sith do not praise positive emotions such as love and hope as a means of achieving greater mastery of the Force. The only logical explanation for this apparent disconnect is that the Sith use terms like "passion" and "emotions" as codewords for the Dark Side, rather than geninuely believeing that all emotions, positive and negative, can be used to master the Force.
