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Found an interesting blog by a chemist that, in the presented mode, is a List of Thing I Won't Work With, some of which are quite frightening.

One of my favorites is Sand Won't Save You This Time about chlorine triflouride.

A few choice quotes:
There’s a report from the early 1950s (in this PDF) of a one-ton spill of the stuff. It burned its way through a foot of concrete floor and chewed up another meter of sand and gravel beneath, completing a day that I'm sure no one involved ever forgot. That process, I should add, would necessarily have been accompanied by copious amounts of horribly toxic and corrosive by-products: it’s bad enough when your reagent ignites wet sand, but the clouds of hot hydrofluoric acid are your special door prize if you’re foolhardy enough to hang around and watch the fireworks.
He also mentions various substances whose properties are not fully known or understood because they blow up too soon after manufacture to be analyzed. For example, cyanogen azide:
It's a clear oil, not that many people have seen it that state, or at least not for long. Marsh's papers are, most appropriately, well marbled with warnings about how to handle the stuff. It's described as "a colorless oil which detonates with great violence when subjected to mild mechanical, thermal, or electrical shock", and apologies are made for the fact that most of its properties have been determined in dilute solution. For example, its boiling point, the 1972 paper notes dryly, has not been determined. (The person who determined it would have to communicate the data from the afterworld, for one thing).
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A more accurate song title for these latest creations would be “I Love the Sound Of Shrapnel Bouncing Off My Welder’s Mask”, but that sort of breaks up the rhythm.
The authors went on to investigate the thermal behavior of these wonderful compounds, another risky move. As it turns out, they have calorimetry data on only five of the salts, because when they got to the sodium derivative, “a violent explosion destroyed the setup”. They also did sensitivity tests, using a standard drophammer rig from the Bundesanstalt fuer Materialforschung, evocatively abbreviated as BAM. These, along with the friction and spark tests, put these compounds well into the “primary explosive” category. Well, the ones that they could get data on, that is: the potassium and cesium compounds blew up as they tried to get them into the testing apparatus. So it’s safe to assume that they’re a bit touchy, too.
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But it has other properties. The perchlorate anion is in a high oxidation state, and what goes up, must come down. A rapid drop in oxidation state, as chemists know, is often accompanied by loud noises and flying debris, particularly when the products formed are gaseous and have that pesky urge to expand. If you take the acid up to water-free concentrations, which is most highly not recommended, you'll probably want to wear chain mail, because it's tricky stuff. You can even go further and distill out the perchloric anhydride (dichlorine heptoxide) if you have no sense whatsoever. It's a liquid with a boiling point of around 80 C, and I'd like to shake the hand of whoever determined that property, assuming he has one left.
If you'd like to make your mark, this seems to be a relatively unexplored field. The problem is, the mark you're most likely to make is in the nature of a nasty stain on the far wall.
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Reminds of the things I heard about going through the refineries I was working on; hydrogen fluoride, hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen cyanide all spring instantly to mind.

The fluoride will go right through your skin and dissolve your bones, the sulfide will smell like rotten eggs in low concentrations, knock you out in higher ones and even outright kill you if the concentration is high enough. The cyanide... well, that's what they used in gas chambers including the ones they used to murder so many people during the Holocaust.

It made me very aware of the toxicity of things needed to make modern life possible.
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It's so nice to have perspective on the perchloric acid thrower I once read about.
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It's important for people (particularly young people with a penchant for self-directed learning) to realize the dangers inherent in chemistry; there are so many chemicals which can do you great harm if you're not prepared for their behaviour.
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Lab-rule number one:
(at least back at my old school):

Always assume that whatever you are working with is the most dangerous substance imaginable.

To make that rule reasonably impressive, one of our teachers always exposed some meat to various acids and other chemicals. Worked on everyone but the most stupid people - and misbehaviour with any chemical (including water, at least when you were experimenting with it) always resulted in being sent out of the classroom and having to clean up all the materials (test tubes etc.) afterwards.
For some reason that was also a great motivator to point these things out to the teacher :lol:


Oh, and that anyone would accuse fluorine of having a "gentle and forgiving nature" is...well, interesting.
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Yeah, pity too the people who discover these things through field practice rather than theory. A kid blew himself to small pieces (literally) not far from my hometown a couple of years ago after he filled a 10 liter container (2.5 gal) with some kind of explosive based on lawnmower fuel.
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cosmicalstorm wrote:Yeah, pity too the people who discover these things through field practice rather than theory. Had a kid blow himself to small pieces, literally, not far from my hometown a couple of years ago after he filled 10 liter container (2.5 gal) with some kind of explosive based on lawnmower fuel.
There's a reason why real scientists exhaustively examine the theory and the math before trying to put anything into practice. Unfortunately, some people prefer the "fly by the seat of your pants" and "experience is the best teacher" mindset, which sounds really great and suitably macho until it goes horribly wrong.
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Darth Wong wrote:It's important for people (particularly young people with a penchant for self-directed learning) to realize the dangers inherent in chemistry; there are so many chemicals which can do you great harm if you're not prepared for their behaviour.
I had a chemistry set in my teens. It really is a wonder I didn't hurt myself with it.

On the other hand, it was great preparation for when I grew up and started working with various toxic solvents, potentially carcinogenic photo resists, and used to mix my own blueprint emulsion which, done improperly, yields hydrogen cyanide in lethal amounts.
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This blog is great, I'm going to mark it for a teaching resource. My favorite is the entry for thianoacetone, which is quite possibly the worst-smelling compound on earth. How bad? a gallon of it spilled can cause fainting and panic blocks away.
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Nitrogen triiodide (NI3) is particularly sensitive: feathers, air currents and alpha particles are all known to cause it to go boom.
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phongn wrote:Nitrogen triiodide (NI3) is particularly sensitive: feathers, air currents and alpha particles are all known to cause it to go boom.
It's also piss easy to make which makes it dangerous.
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I love that blog, and these all impressed the heck out of me...but I have yet to find a chemical that terrifies me quite as thoroughly as dimethyl mercury.
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I propose a moment of silence for the poor bastards who found out how dangerous many of those chemicals can be.

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Reading this blog rather reminds me of fluoroantimonic acid (HSbF6), which is, as I understand it twenty quintillion times more acidic than 100% sulfuric acid. Twenty quintillion. That's like liquid laser beams. I bet you could put that shit on uranium and get a nuclear explosion; except you couldn't because you'd need a neutronium test tube to keep it in. It's so acidic you can't even use it in fiction.

Seriously, fluoroantimonic acid. Mind = blown. I kind of wish I knew what was going on in the heads of the guys who made this stuff. Was it by accident, or did they deliberately set out to create a substance with twenty quintillion times the acidity of sulfuric acid? Was their first clue when it vaporised their equipment and started eating the entire country?
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An old chemistry teacher of mine used to prove the point of how dangerous chemicals can be by dropping a pellet of sodium, a component of common salt he would remark, into a beaker with water (properly protected), wich usually resulted in an alarmed visit from the teachers in the adjacent classrooms. :D

That, and most students earned a newfound respect for chemicals.
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Every chemistry teacher does that. It's dead easy, visually impressive, makes a point etc. Same thing with throwing particular mineral dust into a bunsen burner, in order to prove that chemistry isn't boring. :)
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Ford Prefect wrote:Reading this blog rather reminds me of fluoroantimonic acid (HSbF6), which is, as I understand it twenty quintillion times more acidic than 100% sulfuric acid. Twenty quintillion. That's like liquid laser beams. I bet you could put that shit on uranium and get a nuclear explosion; except you couldn't because you'd need a neutronium test tube to keep it in. It's so acidic you can't even use it in fiction.
This is the first time I've heard of that acid.

A quick bit of wiki later and apparently there are industrial applications for this stuff? That's amazing acid.
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One of my old biology teachers wouldn't do the alkali metal + water demonstration, ever since, during her teacher training, the teacher did it and somehow the water vessel and the protective glass screen shattered and the kids in the front row got showered with burning potassium (or whichever metal it was - I got told the story 15 years ago).
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LordOskuro wrote:An old chemistry teacher of mine used to prove the point of how dangerous chemicals can be by dropping a pellet of sodium, a component of common salt he would remark, into a beaker with water (properly protected), wich usually resulted in an alarmed visit from the teachers in the adjacent classrooms. :D

That, and most students earned a newfound respect for chemicals.
Oh, my Grade 11 chem prof did that. I had Chem last period and I was in the next room over the period prior. All the students thought it was gunfire and started wigging out. :P
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What really boggles my mind about pyrophoric gases like arsine or pretty much any lone metalloid in a trigonal planar VSPER arrangement with hydrogen is not just that it ignites with air below the freezing point of water, but that it also has to produce a byproduct like sand. As far as horrifying things go, a fireball that spits scaling sand everywhere has to be up there.
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Yeah, that sonds terrifying. How do you deal with the fireball, use foam or something?
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Man I wish I'd had chemistry in school :(. (Or at least before university chemistry labs O_0).
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Night_stalker wrote:Yeah, that sonds terrifying. How do you deal with the fireball, use foam or something?
Presumably you just let it burn out. These kinds of gases are seldom produced in significant quantities, and they'd react much faster than you could realistically respond to them.
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Wow, that is a really great find.

Just for some variation - instead of something blowing up at 100 Kelvin, how about stuff that smells so bad, they had to evacuate a city?
But perhaps the worst aroma was that which caused the evacuation of the city of Freiburg in 1889.
Attempts to make thioacetone by the cracking of trithioacetone gave rise to ‘an offensive smell which
spread rapidly over a great area of the town causing fainting, vomiting and a panic evacuationºthe
laboratory work was abandoned’.


It was perhaps foolhardy for workers at an Esso research station to repeat the experiment of cracking
trithioacetone south of Oxford in 1967. Let them take up the story. ‘Recentlyºwe found ourselves
with an odour problem beyond our worst expectations. During early experiments, a stopper jumped
from a bottle of residues, and, although replaced at once, resulted in an immediate complaint of nausea
and sickness from colleagues working in a building two hundred yards away. Two of our
chemists who had done no more than investigate the cracking of minute amounts of trithioacetone
ºfound themselves the object of hostile stares in a restaurant and suffered the humiliation of
having a waitress spray the area around them with a deodorantº. The odours defied the expected
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denied responsibility since they were working in closed systems. To convince them otherwise,
they were dispersed with other observers around the laboratory, at distances up to a quarter of a
mile, and one drop of either acetone gem-dithiol or the mother liquors from crude trithioacetone
crystallisations were placed on a watch glass in a fume cupboard. The odour was detected downwind
in seconds.’
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Ford Prefect wrote:Reading this blog rather reminds me of fluoroantimonic acid (HSbF6), which is, as I understand it twenty quintillion times more acidic than 100% sulfuric acid. Twenty quintillion. That's like liquid laser beams. I bet you could put that shit on uranium and get a nuclear explosion; except you couldn't because you'd need a neutronium test tube to keep it in. It's so acidic you can't even use it in fiction.

Seriously, fluoroantimonic acid. Mind = blown. I kind of wish I knew what was going on in the heads of the guys who made this stuff. Was it by accident, or did they deliberately set out to create a substance with twenty quintillion times the acidity of sulfuric acid? Was their first clue when it vaporised their equipment and started eating the entire country?
So can that stuff eat through metal in seconds like xenomorph blood in Alien?
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