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Wait, what?
Indian doctors are studying an 83-year-old holy man who claims to have spent the last seven decades without food and water.

Military doctors hope the experiments on Prahlad Jani can help soldiers develop their survival strategies.

The long-haired and bearded yogi is under 24-hour observation by a team of 30 specialists during three weeks of tests at a hospital in the western Indian city of Ahmedabad.

Two cameras have been set up in his room, while a mobile camera films him when he goes outside, guaranteeing round-the-clock observation.

His body will be scanned and his brain and heart activity measured with electrodes.

"The observation from this study may throw light on human survival without food and water," said Dr. G. Ilavazahagan, who is directing the research. "This may help in working out strategies for survival during natural calamities, extreme stressful conditions and extra-terrestrial explorations like future missions to the Moon and Mars by the human race."

Since the experiment began on April 22, Jani has had no food or water and has not been to the toilet.

"The exercise of taking this yogi under the medical scanner is to understand what energy supports his existence," Ilavazahagan added. "Jani says he meditates to get energy. Our soldiers will not be able to meditate, but we would still like to find out more about the man and his body."

Jani, who dresses in red and wears a nose ring, grew up in Charod village in the Mehsana district in Gujarat.

He claims to have been blessed by a goddess when he was 8-years-old, which has enabled him to survive without sustenance.
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A week strong already. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep this up under the careful conditions he's under now. How could something like this be even remotely possible?
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A week strong already. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep this up under the careful conditions he's under now. How could something like this be even remotely possible?
It is not.

Edit: Or rather, going without food for 70 years is not. He probably has trained his body to accept long periods of deprivation, but he cannot last forever He still has a metabolism.
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TheManWithNoName wrote: A week strong already. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep this up under the careful conditions he's under now. How could something like this be even remotely possible?
It's quite easy really; the last one of these who was investigated was caught stuffing his face with a Big Mac after two days. Of course one could claim a Big Mac isn't food.

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I look forward to either the study of this man being quietly buried, or someone catching him and exposing him after a few days when he's somehow sneaking drinks of water and urinating. If he doesn't have a need to eat or drink, then he doesn't have a need to use the bathroom, now does he?

In the (nonexistent) case that he turns out to be legit... well, that would be quite a scientific miracle, now wouldn't it? I expect anyone aside from these guys in India are rolling their eyes and going 'oh look, there goes another one... yeah, the Noah's Ark story has more legitimacy than this crap.'
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There are some assholes who claim they "feed" on sunshine near my city.
The day they turn green and start producing O2 then we can talk.
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People make all sorts of stupid claims every day. Why is this guy's stupid claim taken any more seriously than anyone else's?
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Because most people generally refuse to stand up to scientific scrutiny. This guy will be doing it long enough and under close enough observation that they can debunk him and make the rest look even more like crackpots.

Keep in mind, often in India this type will be taken more seriously. Perhaps this will change it when he has to be admitted to the hospital due to dehydration and his claims are proven false.
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Considering this is India chances of a followup article detailing how this fraud was disproven is about.....zero.
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But he truly survived without water for 7 days, that is quite impressive.
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Spekio wrote:There are some assholes who claim they "feed" on sunshine near my city.
The day they turn green and start producing O2 then we can talk.
They may be full of shit, but chlorophyll-based photosynthesis is not the only way to convert the massive amount of energy contained in sunlight into internally useful energy. Or do you demand that photovoltaic cells be green as well?
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Iosef Cross wrote:But if he truly survived without water for 7 days, that is quite impressive.
Corrected your typo for you.
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Stuart wrote:
Iosef Cross wrote:But if he truly survived without water for 7 days, that is quite impressive.
Corrected your typo for you.
Exactly. As mentioned above, he's not being kept isolated in a room where he'd have no access to food or water for a period of time - he's actually allowed to go outside, although a camera crew is supposedly following him. Want to bet that he's got an accomplice, or the like?

If he was really so sure of his abilities, and the Indian government wanted to be sure of it, they'd stick in him in a room completely sealed off from the outside (and other people) except for some air vents, with some reading and sleeping material but nothing edible, with the whole thing under complete, round-the-clock camera surveillance. If he managed to actually go a whole month without eating or drinking, then I'll be impressed.
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What I always wonder about the people that make these kinds of claims is whether they're frauds who think they can fool everyone and gain fame/money/women out of it or just sadly delusional. If they won't let their claims be tested it's fair to assume fraud of course.
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Superman wrote:People make all sorts of stupid claims every day. Why is this guy's stupid claim taken any more seriously than anyone else's?
He's willing to subject himself to testing.

The problem is that doctors are as gullible as anyone else. You need someone like a James Randi to prevent cheating.
Kuroji wrote:Keep in mind, often in India this type will be taken more seriously. Perhaps this will change it when he has to be admitted to the hospital due to dehydration and his claims are proven false.
Nonesense. He'll just come up with an excuse as to why he couldn't maintain himself on pixie dust or light or whatever but still claim the ability under other conditions (particularly conditions where he is not observed)
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Terralthra wrote:
Spekio wrote:There are some assholes who claim they "feed" on sunshine near my city.
The day they turn green and start producing O2 then we can talk.
They may be full of shit, but chlorophyll-based photosynthesis is not the only way to convert the massive amount of energy contained in sunlight into internally useful energy. Or do you demand that photovoltaic cells be green as well?
I was, of course, using a rethorical device, the hyperbole. What I meant was that I will not believe their claim until scientifically proven.
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Stuart wrote:
Iosef Cross wrote:But if he truly survived without water for 7 days, that is quite impressive.
Corrected your typo for you.
I actually did write if before rewriting it.
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You should have kept the 'if'. Seven days without water will have significant detrimental effects on the body that you can see just by looking at a person, assuming they don't just die outright.

Allowing him out of the testing environment means that this is no more than a curiosity. If this were a scientific study of the man, then they'd be keeping him in a controlled environment. There will be nothing coming from this that they can publish in any journal in order to say 'hey, this guy's an anomaly, his body doesn't follow the basic rules the other six billion people on the planet do'.
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Stuart wrote:
Iosef Cross wrote:But if he truly survived without water for 7 days, that is quite impressive.
Corrected your typo for you.
IIRC the record for human is 11 days without water. I suspect time how long one can survive without water depends a lot of air temperature, humidity and physical activities of a person in question. If you are doing hard physical labor while directly exposed to tropical sun you probably would die in 1 - 2 days from dehydration. At normal room temperature, sheltered from sun and not doing anything physically hard would allow to survive without water much longer.
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Sky Captain wrote: IIRC the record for human is 11 days without water. I suspect time how long one can survive without water depends a lot of air temperature, humidity and physical activities of a person in question. If you are doing hard physical labor while directly exposed to tropical sun you probably would die in 1 - 2 days from dehydration. At normal room temperature, sheltered from sun and not doing anything physically hard would allow to survive without water much longer.
A lot also depends on the victim's hydration state before they started. Pretty obviously, if they were fully hydrated or superhydrated before the cut-off point, then they'll last longer than if they were already suffering from partial dehydration. The following table is helpful.

Number of Days resting in the shade/total water supply
Temp ...........No Water............2 pints..........4 pints .......... 8 pints .........20 pints..........40 pints
120 F ...................2 ............... 2.............. 2................ 2.5.............. 3.................. 4.5
110 F ...................3................ 3............. 3.5 ................4............... 5................... 7
100 F .................. 5............... 5.5............. 6................. 7.............. 9.5................ 13.5
90 F .................... 7................ 8.............. 9............... 10.5........... 15................. 23
80 F .................... 9............... 10..............11............... 13............. 19.................. 29
70 F ....................10............... 11............. 12............... 14............. 20.5............... 32
60 F .................. 10 .............. 11............. 12............... 14.............. 21................. 32
50 F ....................10............... 11............. 12.............. 14.5............ 21.................. 32
Source: SERE

Note that once the temperature drops below 70 degrees, there ceases to be any real decline in survival time. So, 10 days without water is IT. The victim is toast (literally). Also all the above days are for resting in the shade and SERE really mean resting. Doing anything or going out in the sun for even a few minutes slices the time dramatically. If the temp goes over a hundred and somebody tries to work in the sun, they won't make it to sundown without a lot of water. Wind is also a key factor here. Having wind blowing directly on the skin will suck moisture out of a person. Under our hot day working in the sun without water conditions, a wind will cut survival time down still further.

There's a problem. It used to be thought that recovery from dehydration is easy; just drink water and all will be well. We're now beginning to find that isn't so. Dehydration has cumulative long-term effects including kidney and liver malfunction. That's still an area under investigation.

So, our moronic swami is probably OK for seven days lounging around in a hotel room with the air conditioning turned down to around 60 degrees and the humidifier turned up to around 90 percent. On the other hand, let me set up the conditions and I'll have him begging for water in 48 hours.
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How being immersed in water affect the survival time? Suppose after ship disaster in open ocean you are floating on some piece of junk just enough to keep about half of your body above water.
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Salt water is bad for you, long term. I'd expect it to decrease survival time. Fresh water might be another matter.
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Salt water most defiantely won't help, since it actually has a dehydrating effect.

You see, both your body and the surrounding water contain water (duh).
Like all fluids, they try to create a stable state where every part has equal condtions - like temperature and salt content.
Since the salt content of your body is lower than that of the ocean, water from your body will have to flow out of your body (therefore increasing the salt percentage of your body and lowering (insignificantly) that of the surrounding ocean).
Of course, the human body is well protected by it's skin, but the effect still works and you most defiantely won't get any water from it.

This is also the reason why fresh water fish don't survive in salt water and vice versa - either their water or salt content are thrown off by the surrounding water.
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This sounds like something Jasmuheen tried to do a while ago. She was in a coma by day 4, and the bitch refuses to accept responsibility for people who ACTUALLY DIE trying to follow her teachings.

As has been said, the longest doccumented was 11 days, achieved by a south korean woman who was buried in a collapsed shopping mall after an earthquake. Sadly, I can't find the article but I think she made nearly-complete recovery.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:This sounds like something Jasmuheen tried to do a while ago...
People with such claims need to be put in a controlled environment and observed closely
... while put on Clozapine.

It's not a good sign when long dead people are talking you into this sort of thing.
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Serafina wrote:Salt water most defiantely won't help, since it actually has a dehydrating effect.

You see, both your body and the surrounding water contain water (duh).
Like all fluids, they try to create a stable state where every part has equal condtions - like temperature and salt content.
Since the salt content of your body is lower than that of the ocean, water from your body will have to flow out of your body (therefore increasing the salt percentage of your body and lowering (insignificantly) that of the surrounding ocean).
Of course, the human body is well protected by it's skin, but the effect still works and you most defiantely won't get any water from it.
I thought something along these line, I just wasn't sure which effect would be greater - reduced loss of water via reduced sweating because body is in water or increased loss of water by dehydrating effect because fresh water from body would try to migrate out because of salinity difference.
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