Morality: Genocide is okay a long as it is about Jews

[Akkleptos]

Sorry for the obvious thread, but this is an opinion that lingers on.

I know a person, that is otherwise a fine human being, that OPENLY endorses this point of view. Other that telling her to just STFU, what would other alternative responses be?

Historically, AFAIK, it could be "argued" that the Jews (make that, rich families who owned a lot of important media and means of production -to use the Marxist term- and who happened to be Jews) may or may not have pressured the UK and later on the USA into a war with Germany -which, according to the same sources- would have been led to ruin in the First World War by such groups themselves.- just to get a chunk of the Middle East they could call their own (namely "Israel").

I mean, even if the above were true, what kind of "guilt" would have the other Jews had, and I mean anyone from the Jew around the corner who sold you stuff on credit to his neighbours, to the former decorated Jew war-hero veterans who fought for Germany during the First World War. I mean... why would they have to be exterminated just the same as said allegedly Jewish Overlords?


For the sake of intelligent people who are still somehow led into believing such balderdash, please help document.

[Rogue 9]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, before I go ahead with what I want to say to what I think I just read, are you saying you know someone who thinks that it is perfectly acceptable to kill people en masse as long as they're Jews?

[K. A. Pital]

If you can "argue" that the Jews made Germany lose WWI and WWII to get Israel, you're already so far in nutland only a full lobotomy will cure you. Sorry, but there's nothing one can do with a terminal state of dangerous stupidity.

The issue of collective responsibility irrelevant, this whole situation is many degrees of wrong.

[une]

Is this the opinion of your girlfriend?

If so, maybe you should consider breaking up with her.

[PeZook]

It's a morally bankrupt argument.

Is he/she an American? Ask him/her if Phillipinos would be justified in destroying America with a bioagent in revenge for their government installing a kleptocratic dictator in their country.

Or if every driver on the road should be shot because some drivers kill people in accidents.

Should India nuke Great Britain to pay them back for centuries of colonial opression?

Are Iraqi insurgents justified in murdering American civilians?

Does he/she considers him/herself responsible for all the terrible things white people did in history? Why not, if she thinks every Jews is responsible for what some hypothetical Jewish Overlords did?

I could do it all day. Frankly, I'm surprised you can't, since it's such a pathetic argument.

EDIT:

And is that person seriously saying Jews somehow manipulated the UK into a war with Germany? And the US, too? The same country which turned around a ship full of Jewish refugess?

FDR was Jewish?

[Twigler]

it could be "argued" that the Jews (make that, rich families who owned a lot of important media and means of production -to use the Marxist term- and who happened to be Jews) may or may not have pressured the UK and later on the USA into a war with Germany -which, according to the same sources- would have been led to ruin in the First World War by such groups themselves.- just to get a chunk of the Middle East they could call their own (namely "Israel").

"It could be argued"? Who the hell "argues" like that, and which nutjob camp are they from? And then "may or may not" - do you even realise how bloody vague, but insinuating that whole statement is? Some unmentioned people argue that Jews could, or could not be behind getting the UK and US into WWII. That's your sentence. "We're not saying anything, but you know, nudge, nudge, say no more".

And while I'm having some trouble interpreting the second part of the sentence - it sounds like the "arguers" dig up the old "stab in the back" theory that was oh so popular in interbellum Germany as a way of explaining why they lost WWI. That has been well and truly discredited over the years as something Hindenburg and Ludendorff thought up as a way to cover their own asses. I cannot believe that you're still quoting this.

It's not even a bullshit theory, it's just the usual anti-Jew insinuating crap.

[Samuel]

may or may not have pressured the UK and later on the USA into a war with Germany

Britain entered the first because the Germans invaded Belgium. The US entered because the Germans offered Mexico a military alliance and were sinking our ships. For the second there was the whole "Germany declaring war on the allies" deal.

just to get a chunk of the Middle East they could call their own (namely "Israel").

Good God man, do you realize how convoluted such a plan is? Easier method- join up with arabs, overthrow Ottomans, establish state of Palestine and immigrate in until Jews are the majority.

[PeZook]

Good God man, do you realize how convoluted such a plan is? Easier method- join up with arabs, overthrow Ottomans, establish state of Palestine and immigrate in until Jews are the majority.

But...that's what everyone else did throughout history! It's not secret and conspiracionary enough!

Though one would think if Jews controlled all the financial wealth of Germany, they could've easily financed such an insurrection, too, and it avoids the minor problem of slaughtering millions of their own people for no gain whatsoever and no guarantee of success

[Stuart]

I know a person, that is otherwise a fine human being, that OPENLY endorses this point of view. Other that telling her to just STFU, what would other alternative responses be?

No, she is not an "otherwise fine human being". Disgusting opinions like this don't just appear; they require a pretty well fertilized (read full of shit) mind to grow in. This person (I use the term loosely) has other analagous opinions, you just haven't spotted them yet.

Historically, AFAIK, it could be "argued" that the Jews (make that, rich families who owned a lot of important media and means of production -to use the Marxist term- and who happened to be Jews) may or may not have pressured the UK and later on the USA into a war with Germany -which, according to the same sources- would have been led to ruin in the First World War by such groups themselves.- just to get a chunk of the Middle East they could call their own (namely "Israel").

I suppose one could argue it if one was a demented idiot. I suppose (not convinced on that). In any case, it's not up to us to refute that crap, it's up to her to prove and document it. If she can't, then she is obliged to retract.

I mean, even if the above were true, what kind of "guilt" would have the other Jews had, and I mean anyone from the Jew around the corner who sold you stuff on credit to his neighbours, to the former decorated Jew war-hero veterans who fought for Germany during the First World War. I mean... why would they have to be exterminated just the same as said allegedly Jewish Overlords?

I find the way this is written . . . . . . . disturbing. I also find the very fact you seem to think this is a question worth asking equally disturbing. Querying whether collective guilt can ever be justification for mass murder seems to indicate . . . . something not quite right.


For the sake of intelligent people who are still somehow led into believing such balderdash, please help document.[/quote]

[Guardsman Bass]

The girlfriend again, Akkleptos?

No, she is not an "otherwise fine human being". Disgusting opinions like this don't just appear; they require a pretty well fertilized (read full of shit) mind to grow in. This person (I use the term loosely) has other analagous opinions, you just haven't spotted them yet.

That's what it sounds like, if the other thread in the "Relationships" forum on it can be believed (and assuming this is the same person, and I think it is).

I mean, seriously, Akkleptos, that's a completely fucked-up view on her part, and beyond any "ordinary" anti-semitism.

[Akkleptos]

I know, I know. I won't even quote... I was just trying to keep an open mind so as to not dismiss the idea altogether. But, yes, Richard Dawkins is right (I refer you to the quote of the week)

"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out."

(next week it won't be there)

It seems I did just that, and my brains dropped out. Sorry.

I should have included the bit "If, for the sake of argument, we were to admit that, then..."

And, yes, as Stuart wrote, the onus is on her. I just needed some pointers as to where to get some reputable sources on that specific subject (antisemitism).

And, Guardsman, as much as I value your opinions (I do), I should also remind you: aren't topics in ARSE supposed to stay in ARSE? You know, as per the rules?

[Guardsman Bass]

And, Guardsman, as much as I value your opinions (I do), I should also remind you: aren't topics in ARSE supposed to stay in ARSE? You know, as per the rules?

I linked to it because they seemed to touch on very similar ground, but yes, I think I over-stepped here in hindsight, and I'll back out of this thread.

[PeZook]

It says a lot about her that people can predict exactly who the hypothetical person is that holds the despicable opinion.

Just sayin'

[Akkleptos]

Guardsman, your input is valuable, and I'm looking forward to what you have to say on this.
Let's just leave ARSE stuff in ARSE, okay?

Besides, it's not like it matters anymore

[Guardsman Bass]

Guardsman, your input is valuable, and I'm looking forward to what you have to say on this.
Let's just leave ARSE stuff in ARSE, okay?

Well, okay then. Thanks for being forgiving. To be honest, I'll probably bow out of this thread anyways after this post - I don't have much left to say on the matter.

Besides, it's not like it matters anymore

Did you guys break up? My apologies, even if I didn't really think too highly of her from what you've spoken on the matter.

[Samuel]

I just needed some pointers as to where to get some reputable sources on that specific subject (antisemitism).

The best would be the fact that Jews in the dark ages controlled the banking (because Christianity prohibited ursury- damn stalinists) and once the church released its restrictions it took less than a century for Christians to take over. The Medicis are the best example.

Jews only have alot influence in some place due to very specific circumstances- in Eastern Europe for example because they were booted out of England, than France than Spain. They don't have a massive conspiracy network and if they did, the church would have come down upon them and taken all their property anyway.

Not to mention it is sort of hard for the Jews to be responsible for WW2 when one of things Hitler did was have them all fired and deprived of civil liberties as quickly as he could. Unless you subscribe to the idea that the Jews in the US were responsible... in getting Hitler to declare war on the United States?

Really, there is no way to have any anti-semetic theory to make sense- they generally bounce between "Jewish bankers" and "Jewish communists". Aside from the contradiction, the first world war screwed both branches over. It put an end to the period of globalization (bad for bankers and conspiracies) and it ended the belief that socialists of the world would work togheter for the common good (bad for communists). You got the Soviet Union... and every other country began anti-communist witch hunts.

Honestly, if you want to do an actual conspiracy, you do things legally and legitamately. See Stalin for an example of how to exploit party structure to gain power. This works better in a parlimentary democracy where you don't have to worry about being killed by the opposition, but WW1 helped screw those over.

If you want to seize control of the world from the inside, unlike computer games having it in large pieces is preferable.

[Darth Wong]

Sorry for the obvious thread, but this is an opinion that lingers on.

I know a person, that is otherwise a fine human being, that OPENLY endorses this point of view. Other that telling her to just STFU, what would other alternative responses be?

For fuck's sake, dump that goddamned worthless neo-Nazi bitch, and stop asking us how to convince her to be a decent human being. She's a worthless piece of shit, and you're an idiot for refusing to see that. Don't give me those "otherwise a fine human being" horseshit. That's like saying Hitler was a nice guy except for that whole "kill everyone I don't like" thing. And don't give me Godwin's Law either; in this case, the use of Hitler as an analogy is completely appropriate.

Historically, AFAIK, it could be "argued" that the Jews (make that, rich families who owned a lot of important media and means of production -to use the Marxist term- and who happened to be Jews) may or may not have pressured the UK and later on the USA into a war with Germany -which, according to the same sources- would have been led to ruin in the First World War by such groups themselves.- just to get a chunk of the Middle East they could call their own (namely "Israel").

I mean, even if the above were true, what kind of "guilt" would have the other Jews had, and I mean anyone from the Jew around the corner who sold you stuff on credit to his neighbours, to the former decorated Jew war-hero veterans who fought for Germany during the First World War. I mean... why would they have to be exterminated just the same as said allegedly Jewish Overlords?

For the sake of intelligent people who are still somehow led into believing such balderdash, please help document.

There are no "intelligent people who are still somehow led into believing such balderdash". She's a goddamned idiot and a fucking neo-Nazi piece of shit. Dump her immediately, you goddamned moron. What the fuck is wrong with you? What the hell does it take for you to say that someone is a bad person? Does she need to kill and eat babies in front of you?

The people in this thread are being very nice to you, but quite frankly, you don't deserve it. If you hear a girl say such abominable things and still want to date her, there is something wrong with you.

[Omeganian]

I remember a text about Holocaust Denialists. It ended with the conclusion that their views are nothing other than a form of religion, and as such can hardly be argued successfully by logical means. I fail to see difference in this case.

[Coyote]

I echo the sentiment of "throw her away like one would throw a bowl of burning grease: immediately, and far away".

However, to that, I will say that the typical anti-Semitic argument about "the Jews" manipulating Germany, the US, UK and USSR into war so that they could grab a chunk of Israel is laughable. None of these people seem to stop and ask "why"?

As in, "why would a group of people, with the power and infiltration to manipulate the four leading industrial powers of the globe in the 1940's, need them to grab a tiny slice of land from a bunch of illiterate disorganized tribals in what was, at the time, a backwater armpit that no one cared about?"

It seems that any group that had the major world powers by the short hairs wouldn't need to cook up an elaborate war just to get a chunk of land that barely registers as a sliver of color on most globes or maps.

Some people are just dumb.