An SDNW Proposal

[Shroom Man 777]

Langley, you are SO asking to get your worlds invaded by Zerg Karlacks before getting torched by some Protossers or something.

[Steve]

On to actual size of the army, I am of the opinion that population size is twice what it should be. ie a colony sector has more people in it than we have nowadays while only having one Earth type world, and it is supposed to represent the smallest population density of our system.

Remember that the 10 billion people in the Colony Sector represent not just the population of the one Earth-like world but those living in survival domes in the other four worlds of the Sector that aren't fully terraformed as well as people living in various space habitats, mining colonies, and other such places across aforementioned sector.

I imagine the population of the main Earth-like world is something like 4-6 billion in the average Colony Sector, compared to the <6 Billion for the Midrange Sectors and the 10-12 billion per planet in the Home and Core Sectors.

I could lower population and GDP once again, but the only thing that'll do, IMHO, is lead people to drop having Colony Sectors at all - as it is, they're currently proportional to the other two types.

Now as for if the population for the other two types is too high... how? Again, 12 Billion/Earth Planet is the max, for Home Sectors, and in such sectors you probably have 5-10 billion people living in Space Habitats (used for zero-G-necessary industries and such), on space stations, on large-scale mining colonies, or on moons and planetoids with localized-terraforming areas (think of the Cowboy Bebop settlements on Ganymede and in the asteroid belt, Mars, etc.).

Of more importance than army numbers is how we deal with sectors that are only partially under one factions control. Say the IoM invades a Bragulan Midrange sector and captures one or two planets, but Bragula reinforces the fleet defending the remainder and achieves enough of a parity that nether side can force the matter either way. How should we deal with it then? Split the sector somehow?

Yeah, pretty much. We split the Sector.

Heck, if two people came to me and said they wanted their border to run through a Core-quality Sector and they'd split the cost 60/40 (with the 60 side getting a third planet), I'd be fine with that.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I prefer forcing people to allocate resources to building huge troop ships for huge armies and huge armies used to conquer planets.

That is, I want to see armies forced to deploy 1 million foot soldiers to conquer a planet at the least.

[Zor]

I have an idea for a Cybernetic race decended from the Zorians, but i have ALOT to do at the moment.

Also, if possible (and just because) I would like a small minority of Tau Refugees.

Zor

[Agent Sorchus]

Remember that the 10 billion people in the Colony Sector represent not just the population of the one Earth-like world but those living in survival domes in the other four worlds of the Sector that aren't fully terraformed as well as people living in various space habitats, mining colonies, and other such places across aforementioned sector.

I imagine the population of the main Earth-like world is something like 4-6 billion in the average Colony Sector, compared to the <6 Billion for the Midrange Sectors and the 10-12 billion per planet in the Home and Core Sectors.

I could lower population and GDP once again, but the only thing that'll do, IMHO, is lead people to drop having Colony Sectors at all - as it is, they're currently proportional to the other two types.

Now as for if the population for the other two types is too high... how? Again, 12 Billion/Earth Planet is the max, for Home Sectors, and in such sectors you probably have 5-10 billion people living in Space Habitats (used for zero-G-necessary industries and such), on space stations, on large-scale mining colonies, or on moons and planetoids with localized-terraforming areas (think of the Cowboy Bebop settlements on Ganymede and in the asteroid belt, Mars, etc.).

The reason I suggest reducing population (and only population, not GDP) is that it has the least to do with any of the rest of the mechanisms of this rules set. If we are concerned that army numbers do not make much sense compared to the numbers in our space fleet then the easiest number to change is population. Whereas GDP is set up mostly arbitrarily but is the basis of the all important fleet rules, and to change GDP is to change the effect of other rules. Population is the one independent variable in the rules that can be easily modified without adjusting anything else.

Of more importance than army numbers is how we deal with sectors that are only partially under one factions control. Say the IoM invades a Bragulan Midrange sector and captures one or two planets, but Bragula reinforces the fleet defending the remainder and achieves enough of a parity that nether side can force the matter either way. How should we deal with it then? Split the sector somehow?

Yeah, pretty much. We split the Sector.

Heck, if two people came to me and said they wanted their border to run through a Core-quality Sector and they'd split the cost 60/40 (with the 60 side getting a third planet), I'd be fine with that.

Good just so long as we acknowledge this before it could become a potential problem.

As for standing defenses we could simply do the defense value of a sector as equal to 1% of its population.

[Steve]

I prefer forcing people to allocate resources to building huge troop ships for huge armies and huge armies used to conquer planets.

That is, I want to see armies forced to deploy 1 million foot soldiers to conquer a planet at the least.

I somewhat imagined that it'd require a million to take over a full-fledged planet, and to garrison it.

[Ryan Thunder]

I prefer forcing people to allocate resources to building huge troop ships for huge armies and huge armies used to conquer planets.

That is, I want to see armies forced to deploy 1 million foot soldiers to conquer a planet at the least.

I somewhat imagined that it'd require a million to take over a full-fledged planet, and to garrison it.

1 million troops to secure 12 billion people and defeat the planetary defense forces? That sounds a little optimistic to me...

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I prefer forcing people to allocate resources to building huge troop ships for huge armies and huge armies used to conquer planets.

That is, I want to see armies forced to deploy 1 million foot soldiers to conquer a planet at the least.

I somewhat imagined that it'd require a million to take over a full-fledged planet, and to garrison it.

1 million troops to secure 12 billion people and defeat the planetary defense forces? That sounds a little optimistic to me...

It's the minimum.

That is of course assuming half the world's population doesn't die after the initial orbital bombardment to "soften" up resistance.

[Steve]

There'd be theater shields and such to protect population centers. Some may also go for Civil Defense like massive bunker complexes for the population should the shields fail.

[loomer]

Okay, just an update on the Outlander demographics.

So far -
The Mari and their servitor species in their worldship, who make up maybe 1/20th of the Outlanders.

An Afghani originated human colonial sphere predating the widespread colonization - about 1/5th of the Outlanders in populace and power.

The Airaii, who are about 1/5th of the populace but make up their entire starfighter fleet.

A faction of sentient machines - about 1/10th of the populace but a significant proportion of the industrial and military forces of the Commissions during joint endeavours. They work largely on cost:gain ratios, which means from time to time they do 'barbaric' things like shut off the air of a captured vessel because the cost of running life support doesn't outweigh the benefit provided by the organics onboard.

The Angmarids - a collection of sapient aliens confined to three systems (one sector.) who share the same origin (alien vessels from their 'progenitor' encountered severe difficulties and had to abandon ship a few hundred million years back, because Q thought it was hilarious to fuck with them. Divergent evolution took over and now they're different species with different cultures.) They're 1/10th.

A collection of other species - mostly refugees from the human and Airaii onslaughts of the last few centuries and so forth, who make up the remaining 35% of the overall population, but lack the unified political and military front of the other Commissions to stand purely on their own species and are simply part of the Five Others.

Politically, you have the Great Five Commissions - the Mari, Angmarids, Airaii, Humans, and the Machines - who convene monthly on a neutral vessel to discuss grievances and work out deals. There's no one ruler, though the Mari tend to be the ones to speak 'as all' to outsiders. They each have one vote on matters that concern all the Commissions - group wars, allowing outsiders in, etcetera.

Then you have the Five Others, who exist as vassal states to the Great Five and may send delegates to the vessel but possess only a half vote each and are forbidden to vote on matters of independence or censure of the Great Five. Their delegates aren't as clearcut along species lines - two of the Five Others both have Immin delegates, for instance.

As far as outsiders go, the Afghani descended humans are hostile because they left precisely to get away from everyone else, the Angmarids are positive, the Machines do not give a shit so long as it's profitable, the Airaii are hostile overall, and the Mari are generally quite positive, so it hinges on the Machines to declare wars - making them the best target for diplomatic efforts.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Langley, you are SO asking to get your worlds invaded by Zerg Karlacks before getting torched by some Protossers or something.

Bring it on. The SPESS MEHREENS bent on eradicating the Tyranids Zerg Karlacks and the Kroot and Vespids Covenant Kig-yar and Yanme'e should be following soon afterwards. WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY FIN'S METAL BOXES!

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Langley, you are SO asking to get your worlds invaded by Zerg Karlacks before getting torched by some Protossers or something.

Bring it on. The SPESS MEHREENS bent on eradicating the Tyranids Zerg Karlacks and the Kroot and Vespids Covenant Kig-yar and Yanme'e should be following soon afterwards. WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY FIN'S METAL BOXES!

Metal what boxes?

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Langley, you are SO asking to get your worlds invaded by Zerg Karlacks before getting torched by some Protossers or something.

Bring it on. The SPESS MEHREENS bent on eradicating the Tyranids Zerg Karlacks and the Kroot and Vespids Covenant Kig-yar and Yanme'e should be following soon afterwards. WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY FIN'S METAL BOXES!

Metal what boxes?

"Look, Rhinos! RHINOS! Our enemies hide in METAL BOXES, the COWARDS! THE FOOLS! We... We should take away their METAL BOXES!"

[Steve]

Once again, current rules for your benefit, including the restoration of an Army cost list to show general categories of quality of troops and of kit.

Nation Generation

All nations get 20 points + 1d6 for their Nation Creation Points (NCPs) and a Home Sector for their homeworld/capital.

One uses NCPs in the following fashions: Adding more sectors, improving a sector's population, improving a Sector's GDP, or acquiring Hyperspace Junctions or Warp Gates. 1 NCP can improve a sector's population by 15 Billion or the GDP by $3,000.

Once you spend 1 NCP for a GDP boost in your nation, you must add a Population boost somewhere before you can add a second GDP boost. IOW, if you spend 2 NCP for extra GDP, you must also spend 1 NCP on population. If you spend 3 NCP for extra GDP, you must spend 2 NCP for extra population. And so on.

There are four kinds of sectors.

Home Sectors are the heart of an interstellar state. They contain the capital and key industries to the maintenance of an interstellar state's existence. One natural Earth-like Planet and four planets of Near-Earth or Terraformed type, not counting numerous mining colonies, science outposts, and space habitats. This sector is the site of many of a star empire's most prestigious universities, foundations, and businesses, as well as the seat of government and thus the heart of a nation's civil service. One cannot apply extra population or GDP to one's Home Sector. Every Home Sector automatically comes with a Warp Gate and a Hyperspace Junction, both presumed to be in the system of the nation's Capital World unless otherwise noted.

Stats:
Sector Population: 60 Billion
Sector GDP: $14,000
NCP Cost: Free, Limit 1 Per Nation

Core Sectors are long-settled and inhabited areas of space. One natural Earth-like Planet and four planets of Near-Earth or Terraformed type, not counting numerous mining colonies, science outposts, and space habitats.

Stats:
Sector Population: 50 Billion
Sector GDP: $10,000
NCP Cost: 5 Points, Limit 3 Per Nation

Midrange Sectors have been settled for long periods of time but have not reached the population level of a Core Sector due to varying factors, including planets still in the midst of late phase Terraforming and being the homeworld sectors of minority, less-advanced races in a larger empire.

Stats:
Sector Base Population: 30 Billion
Sector Base GDP: $6,000
NCP Cost: 3 Points

Colony Sectors are sparsely populated, a network of unterraformed or early Terraformed planets and mining colonies centered around an Earth-like or Near-Earth planet in the sector. Despite the lack of extra fully Terraformed planets the capacity for population and economic growth in a Colony is higher than any other sector type. Land is cheap, resources are still abundant, and for daring and brave folk there are plenty of ways to make one's fortune in these Sectors. There are no mechanical limits to improving a Colony Sector.

Stats:
Sector Base Population: 10 Billion
Sector Base GDP: $2,000
NCP Cost: 1 Point


NCPs can also be spent upon adding a Warp Gate or a Hyperspace Junction to a sector.

A Warp Gate in a Sector permits it to receive high value trade and permit instantaneous point-to-point transit for key figures or officials, permitting the GDP of the relevant sector to rise by $1,000. A Warp Gate costs 1 NCP.

All Warp Gates will be assigned to one another, in terms of which goes where, upon completion of Nation Creation process.

A Hyperspace Junction is a system where major hyperspace lanes meet and cross one another. Such a system enjoys heightened incomes from the interstellar trade traffic that results, it also serves as a logical fleet base for one's space forces to ensure rapid deployment and enjoys increased defenses to deal with an incursion. The more Junctions a nation has, the more rapidly its ships can deploy around its space. A Junction increases GDP by $2,000 for the sector it is in. Each Junction costs 2 NCP.

Military

The military forces of an interstellar state are divided into two categories: planetary and space. Space forces are the "star navies", with ships for projecting power, protecting trade, and defending one's solar systems and space in general. Planetary forces are generally troops for the occupation and defense of planets, moons, planetoids, and asteroids - some nations may also have special forces devoted solely to the holding or taking of space habitats and other space facilities (As such require specialized tactics and equipment not used on planets) and these could be considered under either header.

One's starting military is determined by total GDP at game start. During the game a player can build whatever they want, though mods reserve the right to inflict negative events on someone clearly overspending.

A player's ratio of space force expenditure to planetary force expenditure is there business. While space fleets are a vital element to an empire's survivability, if its armies are too small it lacks the ability to take, intact, planets and such from other states; it also impacts the state's ability to deal with armed uprisings or successful invasion. And while some might be tempted to take the approach of "order a planet to surrender and nuke it into oblivion if it refuses", the combination of theater defensive shields to protect major cities for a time and planet-based defenses can inflict loss on a fleet attempting such an operation - additionally the rarity of Earth-like planets and the sheer time scale required for Terraforming means that anyone who intentionally wrecks a world that can sustain life is going to severely impact the interstellar food supply system and will generally piss everyone off. "If I can't have it, no one can" falls under the "Don't be a dick" general rule being considered (it is, after all, essential to the "free-form" system working) and will result in pain for the offender.

For Spacecraft, the unit categories will be designated by "Hull size". The names for the sizes are generally for approximation, not required for actual use. THe costs for starships are in a range to reinforce the fact that players decide the actual point value of a unit; the point value picked just says what size hull is the result of that specific value.

Space Forces:

Spacecraft:
Shuttle
Basic Cost: 20 per $1
A small spacecraft hull with atmospheric and sublight space flight capability. Examples would include space-to-planet shuttles. Used primarily for short-range, intra-system transport. Hull type can potentially be armed and shielded for use as raiding, landing, or boarding craft by pirates.

Hyperlight Shuttle
Basic Value: 15 per $1
A Shuttle with a gravito-magnetic drive that permits slight FTL speed capability, up to 53c. It lacks the fuel reserves for interstellar voyage but can be used for intra-system transport in much shorter times than the strictly sub-light Shuttle. Hull type can potentially be armed and shielded for use as raiding, landing, or boarding craft by pirates.

Fighter
Basic Value: 10 for $1
A small spacecraft hull with Shuttle flight capabilities and some armament and defenses. The smallest combat vessel available. Can mount projectile weapons (torpedoes/missile armament) that can damage even the largest starship hull classes but not capable of fighting full-sized spacecraft effectively.

Gunboat
Basic Value: 2 for $1
A small spacecraft hull with all flight capabilities, including very-short-ranged interstellar hyperspace trips, though it is not capable of traveling between sectors. Greater combat power than a fighter though it lacks the base manueverability of a fighter hull.

Starships:
Yacht
Value: $3-9
A small starship hull with Shuttle flight capabilities and a small hyperdrive. Capable of short-range hyperspace travel on standard fuel reserves. Private luxury spacecraft or official traveling ships are examples. Can carry ECM and light deflector screens for self-defense but will typically be unarmed. Think of it as a space version of Air Force One.

Ultra Light
Value: $10-29
A very small starship hull that can land on planetary surfaces. A vessel this size will ultimately be very specialized, likely in the role of a border scout, an interceptor vessel, or a light fleet screen.

Light
Value: $30-54
A small starship hull that can land on planetary surfaces. Vessels of this size will be the main fleet screens among other various potential roles that the hull size permits.

Medium
Value: $55-99
A medium starship hull that can land on planetary surfaces. A Medium hulled ship has the capacity to perform cruiser-orientated roles in a star navy.

Heavy
Value: $100-199
A heavy starship hull, incapable of planetary landing. A large starship hull; while it can be fairly well specialized most will likely use it to form the striking power of their battle fleets around.

Superheavy
Value: $200-349
A large starship hull, incapable of planetary landing. At this size you're getting to vessels that will be the heavy hitters of your fleet, if not outright fleet flagships, whether it is supporting massive forces of Fighters and Gunboats or employing massive weapons banks for direct combat, or some combination thereof.

Ultra-Heavy
Value: $350+
A massive starship hull, incapable of planetary landing. Ultra-Heavy hull sizes create behemoth warships that are highly expensive and are thus comparitively rare; they represent the largest possible hull size that modern starship construction can manage.



Carrier Rules:

Any Starship Hull can be configured to carry Fighters and Gunboats. Superheavies can be configured to carry Ultralights and Ultraheavies can carry Ultralights and Lights.

A Hull size's carrying capacity is equivalent to half its cost. For example, a Medium Hull ship of $80 cost can carry $40 worth of craft (that's 400 basic Fighter hulls or 80 basic Gunboats as a max exclusive capacity).

Carriers sacrifice the use of dedicated anti-starship firepower to be capable of carrying spacecraft. As a result, a carrier cannot fight a starship effectively, though it can sustain some damage from one due to its protection and defenses. The "damage cap" of a carrier is about 10% its dollar value: a $100 carrier cannot damage anything better than a $10 craft by itself, it needs its fighters to do so.

Fighters and Gunboats are automatically considered to have a x2 to attack value; a base cost fighter unit of 20 fighters, $2 overall, can inflict damage and defeat a ship at $4 cost. This allows a carrier to be economically viable and practical, but due to their lower defensive value fighters and gunboats are easily destroyed and thus the effectiveness of a force of spacecraft is blunted as it takes losses in a space battle.



System Defenses:

Every planet is presumed to have a planetary militia of some form, be it reservist formations or literal town militias in the Colonies, also things like paramilitary gendarme forces. These forces are nominally not available for war, but rather mobilize and deploy when a planet is faced with invasion.

Much the same way, a planet or solar system's defense forces also control planet-based craft and weapons, including anti-starship artillery, minefields, theater shields, space stations, and orbital defensive weapon platforms. The quality and quantity of these forces varies by kind of Sector: Home Sectors have the best defenses and Colony Sectors have the least.

A Sector's overall defensive point power is determined by its GDP divided by 2. Therefore a Colony Sector's innate defenses are equivalent to $1,000, a Midrange Sector's is $3,000, a Core Sector $5,000, and a Home Sector $7,000. Each major planet in the sector enjoys a fifth of this as a defensive combat value: a Colony Sector planet has a value of $200, a Midrange Sector's system defense is $600, Core Sector system-planet gets $1,000, and a Home Sector planet gets the maximum value of $1,400.

Note that while an invading force that has seized control of orbital space can give its army superior planet-wide tactical maneuverability, to completely conquer a planet without permitting pockets of resistance to continue fighting will require you to achieve a ratio of at least 3:1 in your favor Thus a colony sector planet will require an invasion force of at least $600 to take over - a Home Sector world will require a full assault of troops with a combined value of $4,200 to conquer.

Moderators do reserve the right to determine exceptions in either direction based upon particular circumstances and situations.


Army:

System Defense handles protecting your territory; Army forces are for the offensive, though they will naturally defend worlds from invasion.

With space ships we had classifications of innate hull size based on point value of the ship. With troops, the quality of those troops in training is decided upon by how many you state your dollar buys. If it buys only 25,000 troops instead of 100,000, those 25,000 troops are going to be badasses, but of course are expensive compared to other units.

An Army works as follows: you determine how much of your starting forces points you wish to spend on it. You then decide how many quality branches you want. A basic example would be three types of troops: elites used to provide the punching power of planetary invasions or suppressions, regulars used as the bulk force in planetary invasions, and lower quality garrison troops that hold a planet as the elites and regulars finish off the defenders.

You then determine how good these desired tiers are by deciding how many combat troops each $1 allocated to that tier buys.

Here are the current standards, benchmarks you might say, to help show how the scale works.

50,000 per $1 is Elite
100,000 per $1 is Regular
200,000 per $1 is Garrison/Conscript
500,000 per $1 is Screaming Horde.

By this example, if you have a $1 buy 45,000 troops, they're Elites, or if it buys 55,000, they're really, really good Regulars.

Afterward, you decide on how good each force's equipment is by applying a multiplier to cost. The higher the multiplier, the better the equipment the force employs. As a basic system...

A multiplier of x1 is Basic equipment.
A multiplier of x2 is Advanced equipment.
A multiplier of x3 is Elite equipment.

These numbers decide combat value - it's up to the individual person to decide if that x3 multiplier means everyone's in awesome, re-entry capable powered armor battle suits or if it means they are cybernetics-enhanced super-soldiers with power armor suits.

To use my earlier example of three tiers - elites, reguulars, and garrisons - here is how you might divvy it up.

Elite Forces: $6,000 Cost, 80,000,000 men @ 40,000/$1 with x3 kit mulltiplier.
Regular Forces: $5,000 Cost, 250,000,000 men @ 100,000/$1 with x2 kit multiplier
Garrison Forces: $4,000 Cost, 640,000,000 men @ 200,000/$1 with x1.25 kit multiplier

Such a state has thus spend $15,000 on its starting Army and has the aforementioned forces. Now 970 million soldiers might not seem a lot if your population is 200 billion, but remember that this is just your offensive-capable army forces. You would have billions more in uniform, active or reserve, under System Defense.

As for how these troops move, it will be presumed that dedicated troop transports exist in sufficient quantity to allow you to ship all of your forces at any given time, though the moderators reserve the right to reduce this depending on circumstances (if you've suffered a recent spate of attacks on trade, for instance, or if you've expanded your army since game start or have suffered the loss of systems). If you want a combat warship to have some troop carrying capacity, to serve for rapid response operations, seizing mining colonies, or for boarding ships, what have you, then carrier rules apply; up to half of a hull can be assigned for troop carrying and you are limited to 1,000 troops per $1 of available hull space. A $100 hull value ship can devote up to $50 for troop carrying, and can thus carry 100,000 troops and sufficient dropships to ferry them to a planetary surface.


Unit Building:

For purposes of keeping gameplay simple building times will not be strictly enforced, though attempts to build things too quickly in peacetime will merit mod intervention, whether it be in the form of mandated economic problems, equipment failures in the new units, political opposition, or NPCs growling at you for such unmerited expansion rates. To give you an idea of where the line is before you provoke such intervention, I will now spell out the rates we're looking for.

For spacecraft production at peacetime, a rate of $1 worth of fighters, shuttles, or gunboats a week is a reasonable rate.

The general peacetime rate we'd like to see is starship production at a rate of 1 month for every $10 of hull value, not counting trials periods of +50% time. A $100 value ship takes 10 months to build, then add another 5 months for trials and shakedown, a $50 value ship takes 5 months to build and 3 months trials (rounding up from 2.5 months).

As for land troops, it should take 3 months to train a cadre of Screaming Horde, 6 months to train garrison-quality troops, a year to train Regulars, and 2 years to train Elites. As for numerical limit on each, each new addition should only be about a quarter, at most, of what is already in service. If you have 100 million Elites, you can train 25 million more for the first two years training period. Then once they're trained you can train 31.25 million more in the next 2 year period, and so on. These are the guidelines for peacetime Army expansion. It is presumed that the necessary kit is being produced while your forces train.

[Darkevilme]

So planetary defences are equal to GDP/10, good. Also are we going for 'build time equals 1month per $10, minimum 6 months' as the new rule? if so i'll make the Dominion class a little more uber.

[Norade]

Just to be clear on defense garrisons each system gets a set amount of defenses and the major worlds get their own separate defenses based on the amount of defenses a system gets?

IE:

Core System 1 has $5,000 of installations, planet-to-space weapons, and system defense craft.
-Major World 1 of that system gets $1,000 of soldiers and vehicles to defend itself with.

Total Value of defenses $6,000.

[Darkevilme]

I was under the impression that Core sector 1 having a GDP of 10k has defences equal to 1/10th of that for each world. so the total is $5000 for the entire sector. but each world gets only $1000 troops and $1000 orbiting kill sats as garrison to protect against invasion and spaceships respectively and that's what protects them. If i invade bogistan VI a core sector world i'll be up against $1000 worth of kill sats and $1000 worth of troops.

[Norade]

That would work, but how would that work for a more spread out system with very little that is worth more value wise than anything else. I'm thinking along the lines of what I'm planning where the majority of my industrial and population base live in asteroids or on small moons orbiting gas giants and the rest live in space colonies. Thus those many billion people will be spread over a large area. I doubt the largest rocks I have will support even $1 worth of soldiers on their own.

[Kuroji]

Man, am I going to have my work cut out for me... but then again I'm the crazy one who's going with a super-spread-out civilization for the sake of flavor. One massive homeworld... and a crapload of colonies, I think, so long as nobody objects to that. Going to have to be damned careful with those ships I get to start with, because otherwise I'm gonna have some serious problems holding onto any of my colonies considering the low cashflow I'll get with it. Still... it'll be fun. Flavor > mechanics.

A question on carriers... is it reasonable (assuming extra is properly paid) to have carriers dedicated to hauling around fighters/gunboats and soldiers? And if so, how much extra should be paid? Also, I'm just wanting to make sure here but the cost of the default capacity of fighters and whatnot is covered, right?

[Norade]

I'd think that you could replace fighters with soldiers on a carrier on a dollar to dollar basis if you wanted to have some sort of mobile invasion platform.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I'm of the opinion that the largest warship types should take 5 years to build, and then destroyers and cruisers 1-2 years and 2-3 years respectively.

[Steve]

I was under the impression that Core sector 1 having a GDP of 10k has defences equal to 1/10th of that for each world. so the total is $5000 for the entire sector. but each world gets only $1000 troops and $1000 orbiting kill sats as garrison to protect against invasion and spaceships respectively and that's what protects them. If i invade bogistan VI a core sector world i'll be up against $1000 worth of kill sats and $1000 worth of troops.

Actually, no. A Core Sector's system has $1000 defensive power period, thus requiring an invasion worth $3000 in troops to effectively seize.

Kuroji, Norade, that's why it's called "system" defense, not planetary defense.

Fin, I was going to let people decide building times in RP, though anyone building beyond a rate of, say, 1 month per $10 while in peacetime would face mod irritation.

Edit: To further consider things, what Dark wrote isn't what I intended, but I do like the idea of a system also having "space-based defenses", which you must use a combat fleet to remove before invasions of planets and moons in the system can commence.

To continue with the Core Sector comparison, a Core Sector system, to be reliably taken, would have to be invaded by a combat fleet superior to the system defenses and any defending starships, then army forces would be brought in that have to outnumber the system defense's land forces by 3 to 1. That means devoting at least $1,100 to your invasion fleet's combat power and then $3,000 worth of troops.

[Darkevilme]

Edit: Removed question, question was answered as i asked it it seems.

Well that nicely clears up planetary defences i think. or at least i dont see anything ambigous with it anymore.

[Steve]

On to a separate matter, initially I conceived the prospect of the lower-population sectors - the Midrange and Colonial ones - having some of its five main worlds not completely terraformed. But it occurs to me that it won't effect the issue of life-bearing worlds being relatively rare if all five planets are simply near-Earth or Earth-like as a base - the difference becomes that the Colonial Sectors would have worlds other than the five main planets that are unterraformed or only starting such while Midrange Sectors would have such worlds partway through the process and, finally, Home and Core sectors would have all terraform-capable planets completely terraformed (an example would be that the UN's Home Sector will contain Earth and Nova Terra systems - both also have Mars, which are now completely terraformed, while Colony Sector Mars-equivalents have only begun terraforming if they have any at all, and terraforming will still take many decades to centuries to effectively complete.).

[Siege]

Frankly I don't think it matters much either way. The majority of all the planets we own most likely won't be anything but a footnote or brief mentions in-game... Whether they are completely terraformed or only halfway through the process will be more or less irrelevant.