Polish air crash conspiracy

[Korgeta]

Conspiracies are the dead man's legacy, and this one tends to be no different.

I was reading up on a newspaper today when it commented on footage that is apparently causing a stir in Poland. It regards to footage of the crash that killed Poland's President Lech Kaczynski, however the clip c adds a new dimension to the incident claiming there were survivors and were shot on sight, apparently by Russian authorities. Though there are claims that it is a hoax setup by Georgian or Ukrainian groups.

Genuine clip or hoax? I’ll let you read the article and make your own conclusions.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ivors.html

[cosmicalstorm]

I'm sure that the burning wreck of a major airliner normally doesn't make and kind of popping sounds.
And I'm sure that the guys who were executing the survivors of the wreck we're so nice that they decided to not shoot the guy who was taping them.

(I saw the footage a few weeks ago, some guy walking around the burning wreck and every now and then there is a pop somewhere and the video editor responds to that pop by highlighting who ever is in view with a red circle that would make any UFO video creator proud.)

[Kane Starkiller]

I was extremely skeptical at first but after seeing the digitally enhanced video of the attack things are getting very suspicious. Link to vid HERE.

[Phantasee]

I was extremely skeptical at first but after seeing the digitally enhanced video of the attack things are getting very suspicious. Link to vid HERE.

Flash Gordon Hawkmen vs Ajax?

[Sea Skimmer]

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory in which the villain has absurdly nothing to gain and everything to loose.

[PeZook]

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory in which the villain has absurdly nothing to gain and everything to loose.

And acts in the most retarded way possible. Seriously, shooting them? Why not take them to a hospital, announce they're in critical condition and then off them quietly and oh without leaving bullet holes in the skulls.

[Ilya Muromets]

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory in which the villain has absurdly nothing to gain and everything to loose.

Not to mention Russian. Because everyone knows the Russians are all evil KGB wannabes longing for the good old days.

Here's hoping only a minority takes it seriously. Though, given that this is historically Russia-paranoid Poland and how conspiracy theories tend to have this annoying tendency to proliferate you never know.

[Kuroji]

I'm hoping that this little bullshit conspiracy theory gets put down pretty ruthlessly. If this were the case, no video of the crash site would have ever made it out, and it would prove that the Soviet psychic program was a total success because it would mean they had people waiting right next to the crash site to do that.

Generally air crashes are pretty damn good about taking out any survivors on their own. You don't need to put bullets in peoples' brains, you're often lucky to get a handful of survivors.

[Iosef Cross]

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory in which the villain has absurdly nothing to gain and everything to loose.

And acts in the most retarded way possible. Seriously, shooting them? Why not take them to a hospital, announce they're in critical condition and then off them quietly and oh without leaving bullet holes in the skulls.

Or maybe putting them into a Tu-154 rigged to fall. I mean, it is not unusual for russian planes to fall:

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1075964.html

Nobody would suspect of anything if it fell...

[Big Phil]

Are the translations even correct?

[PeZook]

Or maybe putting them into a Tu-154 rigged to fall. I mean, it is not unusual for russian planes to fall:

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1075964.html

Nobody would suspect of anything if it fell...

That would be an even greater feat of magic than hiding obvious bullet holes in the skulls of the bodies, since Russian super-spies would have to gain access to the government Tu-154 parked on a military base and perform delicate sabotage in such a way that flight recorders would show no problems at all right before the crash

And then, in the proud tradition of all eeeeeevil conspirators, they'd let Polish investigators accompany them when analyzing flight recorder data - just like NASA helpfully digitized their (fake) moon landing photographs so that every jackass with a computer could try and pick them apart

[Kuroji]

Or maybe putting them into a Tu-154 rigged to fall. I mean, it is not unusual for russian planes to fall:

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1075964.html

Nobody would suspect of anything if it fell...

Yeah, especially because it belonged to them to begin with, so why should they suspect anything when the pilot refused to follow the instructions of the airport to land somewhere else after several attempts at landing did not succeed?

[Zed]

There were apparently non-crew in the cockpit during the crash.

Non-crew members were in the cockpit of a plane that crashed killing the Polish president and more than 90 others, an investigation has found.

The question of whether the crew were pressured to land remains unanswered, an official said.

One of those in the cockpit has been identified, but the BBC has learned it was not the president.

The plane crashed as it tried to land at Smolensk in western Russia on 10 April, killing dozens of senior Poles.

The investigation, which was releasing its preliminary findings of the investigation, confirmed crew were repeatedly warned about poor weather.

Alexei Morozov, head of the technical commission examining the crash, said air traffic controllers had warned twice that visibility was 400m (1,312ft) and that "there were no conditions for landing".

'No regular training'

Then, four minutes before the crash, another Polish plane that had landed earlier that morning said visibility had dropped to 200m, he said. Mr Morozov also said the crew of eight on board the plane that crashed had been formed several days before the flight and "did not undergo regular simulated training, including the practice of co-ordination and emergency situations during flights".

The Tupolev-154 presidential plane was in full working order when it crashed, Mr Morozov said, according to a report by Russian news agency Itar-Tass.

He said systems at the Smolensk airport where the plane was trying to land were also operating normally.

The investigation, which was carried out by the inter-state air committee for the former Soviet Union, ruled out any terrorist attack, explosion, or fire on board the aircraft.

The plane was flying President Lech Kaczynski and the other passengers to an event commemorating the 1940 Katyn massacre of more than 20,000 Poles by Soviet forces.

Shortly after the crash, there was speculation that passengers may have put pressure on the crew to land in Smolensk, though Polish officials said at the time that there was no evidence to substantiate such claims.

On Wednesday, the head of the inter-state air committee, Tatyana Anodina, said that possibility should be investigated, and that the issue was of "vital importance for the investigation of the causes [of the crash]".

'Cabin door open'

She said the investigation had established "in the cockpit there were individuals who were not members of the crew". "The voice of one of them has been identified exactly, the voice of the other, or the others, will require additional information from the Polish side," she said.

The investigation found that the pilot's cabin door was open as the plane tried to land and the voices of the crew were hard to identify, Itar-Tass reported.

Ms Anodina stressed that the crew had received "timely information about weather conditions and alternate airfields", and that there had been no equipment failure.

"The engines were working up till the moment the plane collided with the ground," she said.

She added that she was confident that investigators would establish the causes of the crash as quickly as possible.

Results would be made available to authorities in Russia and Poland, and to the public, she said.

[Dalton]

You need to source your quotes, Zed.

[Ilya Muromets]

A Google search on one of the article's paragraphs reveals the source to be BBC's news website.

[Gramzamber]

I wonder if VIP staff interfering with the flight crew is a common occurence.
Seems like they need attendants trained to keep these idiots out and lock the door.