An SDNW Proposal

[Master_Baerne]

No arguments here.

[Steve]

To return to a prior subject, mapping....

How would you reflect such on the map? Say Player A owns a Sector on the map at the plain level, but Player B owns the space 2 sectors up?

Well if we had any need to stack sectors, then yeah. Just tag it with 'Player A @ 0' and 'Player B @ +2'

This would require adding a lot of data to each gridsquare on the map, space allowing someone to mark who owns what at which elevation. I can't see how it wouldn't be just as easy to make a gridsquare map for each elevation.

[Siege]

I say we stick with a 2D map. It might not be the most realistic thing ever but it will make things that much easier. I just don't think the strategic implications of operating in a 3D space are something we absolutely must portray on the map; can't we just assume that everyone knows space has an up and down too and that the 2D map is simply an approximation of the strategic reality?

[Shroom Man 777]

I don't want to be hamstrung by realistic stellar cartography, now that whatever rules there are that I haven't gone through yet have been decided on by y'all.

[Master_Baerne]

I'm for a 2d map, mainly for the reasons Siege put forward - fun trumps realism, and keeping track of three or more different elevations of map just strikes me as a recipe for unfun.

(Seriously, though - Take three maps, add elevations to preference, add water, let simmer at high heat for the length of the game. Serve with bickering and confusion for the ideal unfun.)

[Akhlut]

I think a simple, 2d map would work out just fine. Who cares about the z axis? We'll deal just fine without it, I'm sure. We'll just RP 3d attacks on each other without dealing with 3 different maps or whacky +2 elevation or whatever.

[Agent Sorchus]

So long as people can split sectors than I do not think that we need z axis maps.

[TimothyC]

Overall plans for the Government of the Kryptonian Empire: The Emperor is a figurehead, with limited day to day duties, but huge un-wielded ceremonial power. The Governing council consists of members from all 5 guilds (Labor [which included Engineers with 5 members, and Science, Religion, Military and Artisan with three each). The council head, or president is selected from the 17 members, but the Military and the Religious/Clerical guilds don't serve for various reason (Military Serves the State, and Religious serves the people). The council members are elected from one of the three "Super States" (centered on Krypton, New Krypton and Daxam each with roughly one third of the total colony worlds). This means that each Super-state sends 5 members to the Council (One Labour, One Military Officer, One Cleric, one Artisan, and one Scientist) .The other two Labour Guild members on the council are elected at large from the colony worlds.

[Steve]

...why do I have this sudden urge to introduce a third alien race as a subject race to the Anglians, who are basically Humans but with wings (Functionality TBD) and from whom I can write a particular homage character with long, flowing red hair and striking green eyes (and an affinity for maces)?

[Steve]

The Rise of the UN

The end of the Great Upheavel left Earth, Nova Terra, and the first Human colonies - New Earth, Erde, and Proxima Centauri - exhausted but intact. With years of internal and external conflict ended by the Human Diaspora into the widespread reaches of space, the nations of these planets had to face the fact that they were no longer the vast majority of Humanity anymore.

The United Nations was an old institution, unique to Earth. Attempts to replicate it on Nova Terra had failed... until now. But when a Human colony in nearby space was subjected to invasion by an unknown, vaguely human-like race called the Chamarran, the UN was the one body that could unify Earth's efforts and Nova Terra's into turning back the alien attack. Drawing the nearest Earth worlds into their fold and forging alliance with Human states elsewhere, Earth held back the aliens and made peace with them. Faced with the idea of potential alien threat to the Twin Cradles of Humanity, the nations of Earth and Nova Terra remodeled the UN into a federated republic of states from both worlds and the independent nations that had arisen in their immediate sector. The UN of Earth and Nova Terra was born.

Over the following centuries, the UN would find itself in a unique position - not faced with immediate threat, it was able to turn its attention inward, and in internal developments it became the greatest of the Human states, indeed of all states in the known galaxy. They were the first to develop the means to find the lanes in hyperspace shoals, the first to develop hyperspace dredging, and the latest in anti-aging genetic engineering comes from the Earth-Nova Terran biotech industry.

The UN has not forgotten the rest of the galaxy, however, and in its dealings with the other states it behaves as an aloof, paternalistic entity - not interfering in the day-to-day affairs of the various states and empires, but more than capable of swift and decisive intervention with a war machine unrivaled in the Universe should unspeakable acts occur. It is not easy to kindle the wrath of the UN, but be warned - those who do will not have long to regret their misjudgement.

[Grif]

I apologise if this has been asked before, but how do we classify sectors which are populated, but has little or no habitable planets to speak of?

I'm planning to make a sector which consists primarily of miners strip-mining planets, asteroids and stuff, living mostly on habitats and huge mining ships. The sector has extreme importance due to both strategic location and mineral wealth, but my government has no interest to terraform the nearby planets, deeming it not worth the effort (plus they are going to be strip-mined, so any colonisation effort will be wasted in the long run). There is only one Earth-like world in the sector which is to be the hub for mining industry.

In terms of importance, I would rate it as a Midrange or even Core sector, since the income is lucrative.

[Steve]

Your choice, if you want to have the majority of the population in mining ships sure, but remember that Earth-like planets are the best source of foodstuffs.

[PeZook]

So...are there any rules left to clear up? 'Coz I'd like to start crunching the numbers...

[Steve]

Go ahead and crunch.

For reference, the rules:

Nation Generation

All nations get 20 points + 1d6 for their Nation Creation Points (NCPs) and a Home Sector for their homeworld/capital.

One uses NCPs in the following fashions: Adding more sectors, improving a sector's population, improving a Sector's GDP, or acquiring Hyperspace Junctions or Warp Gates. 1 NCP can improve a sector's population by 15 Billion or the GDP by $3,000.

Once you spend 1 NCP for a GDP boost in your nation, you must add a Population boost somewhere before you can add a second GDP boost. IOW, if you spend 2 NCP for extra GDP, you must also spend 1 NCP on population. If you spend 3 NCP for extra GDP, you must spend 2 NCP for extra population. And so on.

There are four kinds of sectors.

Home Sectors are the heart of an interstellar state. They contain the capital and key industries to the maintenance of an interstellar state's existence. One natural Earth-like Planet and four planets of Near-Earth or Terraformed type, not counting numerous mining colonies, science outposts, and space habitats. This sector is the site of many of a star empire's most prestigious universities, foundations, and businesses, as well as the seat of government and thus the heart of a nation's civil service. One cannot apply extra population or GDP to one's Home Sector. Every Home Sector automatically comes with a Warp Gate and a Hyperspace Junction, both presumed to be in the system of the nation's Capital World unless otherwise noted.

Stats:
Sector Population: 60 Billion
Sector GDP: $14,000
NCP Cost: Free, Limit 1 Per Nation

Core Sectors are long-settled and inhabited areas of space. One natural Earth-like Planet and four planets of Near-Earth or Terraformed type, not counting numerous mining colonies, science outposts, and space habitats.

Stats:
Sector Population: 50 Billion
Sector GDP: $10,000
NCP Cost: 5 Points, Limit 3 Per Nation

Midrange Sectors have been settled for long periods of time but have not reached the population level of a Core Sector due to varying factors, including planets still in the midst of late phase Terraforming and being the homeworld sectors of minority, less-advanced races in a larger empire.

Stats:
Sector Base Population: 30 Billion
Sector Base GDP: $6,000
NCP Cost: 3 Points

Colony Sectors are sparsely populated, a network of unterraformed or early Terraformed planets and mining colonies centered around an Earth-like or Near-Earth planet in the sector. Despite the lack of extra fully Terraformed planets the capacity for population and economic growth in a Colony is higher than any other sector type. Land is cheap, resources are still abundant, and for daring and brave folk there are plenty of ways to make one's fortune in these Sectors. There are no mechanical limits to improving a Colony Sector.

Stats:
Sector Base Population: 10 Billion
Sector Base GDP: $2,000
NCP Cost: 1 Point


NCPs can also be spent upon adding a Warp Gate or a Hyperspace Junction to a sector.

A Warp Gate in a Sector permits it to receive high value trade and permit instantaneous point-to-point transit for key figures or officials, permitting the GDP of the relevant sector to rise by $1,000. A Warp Gate costs 1 NCP.

All Warp Gates will be assigned to one another, in terms of which goes where, upon completion of Nation Creation process.

A Hyperspace Junction is a system where major hyperspace lanes meet and cross one another. Such a system enjoys heightened incomes from the interstellar trade traffic that results, it also serves as a logical fleet base for one's space forces to ensure rapid deployment and enjoys increased defenses to deal with an incursion. The more Junctions a nation has, the more rapidly its ships can deploy around its space. A Junction increases GDP by $2,000 for the sector it is in. Each Junction costs 2 NCP.

Military

The military forces of an interstellar state are divided into two categories: planetary and space. Space forces are the "star navies", with ships for projecting power, protecting trade, and defending one's solar systems and space in general. Planetary forces are generally troops for the occupation and defense of planets, moons, planetoids, and asteroids - some nations may also have special forces devoted solely to the holding or taking of space habitats and other space facilities (As such require specialized tactics and equipment not used on planets) and these could be considered under either header.

One's starting military is determined by total GDP at game start. During the game a player can build whatever they want, though mods reserve the right to inflict negative events on someone clearly overspending.

A player's ratio of space force expenditure to planetary force expenditure is there business. While space fleets are a vital element to an empire's survivability, if its armies are too small it lacks the ability to take, intact, planets and such from other states; it also impacts the state's ability to deal with armed uprisings or successful invasion. And while some might be tempted to take the approach of "order a planet to surrender and nuke it into oblivion if it refuses", the combination of theater defensive shields to protect major cities for a time and planet-based defenses can inflict loss on a fleet attempting such an operation - additionally the rarity of Earth-like planets and the sheer time scale required for Terraforming means that anyone who intentionally wrecks a world that can sustain life is going to severely impact the interstellar food supply system and will generally piss everyone off. "If I can't have it, no one can" falls under the "Don't be a dick" general rule being considered (it is, after all, essential to the "free-form" system working) and will result in pain for the offender.

For Spacecraft, the unit categories will be designated by "Hull size". The names for the sizes are generally for approximation, not required for actual use. THe costs for starships are in a range to reinforce the fact that players decide the actual point value of a unit; the point value picked just says what size hull is the result of that specific value.

Space Forces:

Spacecraft:
Shuttle
Basic Cost: 20 per $1
A small spacecraft hull with atmospheric and sublight space flight capability. Examples would include space-to-planet shuttles. Used primarily for short-range, intra-system transport. Hull type can potentially be armed and shielded for use as raiding, landing, or boarding craft by pirates.

Hyperlight Shuttle
Basic Value: 15 per $1
A Shuttle with a gravito-magnetic drive that permits slight FTL speed capability, up to 53c. It lacks the fuel reserves for interstellar voyage but can be used for intra-system transport in much shorter times than the strictly sub-light Shuttle. Hull type can potentially be armed and shielded for use as raiding, landing, or boarding craft by pirates.

Fighter
Basic Value: 10 for $1
A small spacecraft hull with Shuttle flight capabilities and some armament and defenses. The smallest combat vessel available. Can mount projectile weapons (torpedoes/missile armament) that can damage even the largest starship hull classes but not capable of fighting full-sized spacecraft effectively.

Gunboat
Basic Value: 2 for $1
A small spacecraft hull with all flight capabilities, including very-short-ranged interstellar hyperspace trips, though it is not capable of traveling between sectors. Greater combat power than a fighter though it lacks the base manueverability of a fighter hull.

Starships:
Yacht
Value: $3-9
A small starship hull with Shuttle flight capabilities and a small hyperdrive. Capable of short-range hyperspace travel on standard fuel reserves. Private luxury spacecraft or official traveling ships are examples. Can carry ECM and light deflector screens for self-defense but will typically be unarmed. Think of it as a space version of Air Force One.

Ultra Light
Value: $10-29
A very small starship hull that can land on planetary surfaces. A vessel this size will ultimately be very specialized, likely in the role of a border scout, an interceptor vessel, or a light fleet screen.

Light
Value: $30-54
A small starship hull that can land on planetary surfaces. Vessels of this size will be the main fleet screens among other various potential roles that the hull size permits.

Medium
Value: $55-99
A medium starship hull that can land on planetary surfaces. A Medium hulled ship has the capacity to perform cruiser-orientated roles in a star navy.

Heavy
Value: $100-199
A heavy starship hull, incapable of planetary landing. A large starship hull; while it can be fairly well specialized most will likely use it to form the striking power of their battle fleets around.

Superheavy
Value: $200-349
A large starship hull, incapable of planetary landing. At this size you're getting to vessels that will be the heavy hitters of your fleet, if not outright fleet flagships, whether it is supporting massive forces of Fighters and Gunboats or employing massive weapons banks for direct combat, or some combination thereof.

Ultra-Heavy
Value: $350+
A massive starship hull, incapable of planetary landing. Ultra-Heavy hull sizes create behemoth warships that are highly expensive and are thus comparitively rare; they represent the largest possible hull size that modern starship construction can manage.



Carrier Rules:

Any Starship Hull can be configured to carry Fighters and Gunboats. Superheavies can be configured to carry Ultralights and Ultraheavies can carry Ultralights and Lights.

A Hull size's carrying capacity is equivalent to half its cost. For example, a Medium Hull ship of $80 cost can carry $40 worth of craft (that's 400 basic Fighter hulls or 80 basic Gunboats as a max exclusive capacity).

Carriers sacrifice the use of dedicated anti-starship firepower to be capable of carrying spacecraft. As a result, a carrier cannot fight a starship effectively, though it can sustain some damage from one due to its protection and defenses. The "damage cap" of a carrier is about 10% its dollar value: a $100 carrier cannot damage anything better than a $10 craft by itself, it needs its fighters to do so.

Fighters and Gunboats are automatically considered to have a x2 to attack value; a base cost fighter unit of 20 fighters, $2 overall, can inflict damage and defeat a ship at $4 cost. This allows a carrier to be economically viable and practical, but due to their lower defensive value fighters and gunboats are easily destroyed and thus the effectiveness of a force of spacecraft is blunted as it takes losses in a space battle.



System Defenses:

Every planet is presumed to have a planetary militia of some form, be it reservist formations or literal town militias in the Colonies, also things like paramilitary gendarme forces. These forces are nominally not available for war, but rather mobilize and deploy when a planet is faced with invasion.

Much the same way, a planet or solar system's defense forces also control planet-based craft and weapons, including anti-starship artillery, minefields, theater shields, space stations, and orbital defensive weapon platforms. The quality and quantity of these forces varies by kind of Sector: Home Sectors have the best defenses and Colony Sectors have the least.

A Sector's overall defensive point power is determined by its GDP divided by 2. Therefore a Colony Sector's innate defenses are equivalent to $1,000, a Midrange Sector's is $3,000, a Core Sector $5,000, and a Home Sector $7,000. Each major planet in the sector enjoys a fifth of this as a defensive combat value: a Colony Sector planet has a value of $200, a Midrange Sector's system defense is $600, Core Sector system-planet gets $1,000, and a Home Sector planet gets the maximum value of $1,400.

Note that while an invading force that has seized control of orbital space can give its army superior planet-wide tactical maneuverability, to completely conquer a planet without permitting pockets of resistance to continue fighting will require you to achieve a ratio of at least 3:1 in your favor Thus a colony sector planet will require an invasion force of at least $600 to take over - a Home Sector world will require a full assault of troops with a combined value of $4,200 to conquer.

Moderators do reserve the right to determine exceptions in either direction based upon particular circumstances and situations.


Army:

System Defense handles protecting your territory; Army forces are for the offensive, though they will naturally defend worlds from invasion.

With space ships we had classifications of innate hull size based on point value of the ship. With troops, the quality of those troops in training is decided upon by how many you state your dollar buys. If it buys only 25,000 troops instead of 100,000, those 25,000 troops are going to be badasses, but of course are expensive compared to other units.

An Army works as follows: you determine how much of your starting forces points you wish to spend on it. You then decide how many quality branches you want. A basic example would be three types of troops: elites used to provide the punching power of planetary invasions or suppressions, regulars used as the bulk force in planetary invasions, and lower quality garrison troops that hold a planet as the elites and regulars finish off the defenders.

You then determine how good these desired tiers are by deciding how many combat troops each $1 allocated to that tier buys.

Here are the current standards, benchmarks you might say, to help show how the scale works.

50,000 per $1 is Elite
100,000 per $1 is Regular
200,000 per $1 is Garrison/Conscript
500,000 per $1 is Screaming Horde.

By this example, if you have a $1 buy 45,000 troops, they're Elites, or if it buys 55,000, they're really, really good Regulars.

Afterward, you decide on how good each force's equipment is by applying a multiplier to cost. The higher the multiplier, the better the equipment the force employs. As a basic system...

A multiplier of x1 is Basic equipment.
A multiplier of x2 is Advanced equipment.
A multiplier of x3 is Elite equipment.

These numbers decide combat value - it's up to the individual person to decide if that x3 multiplier means everyone's in awesome, re-entry capable powered armor battle suits or if it means they are cybernetics-enhanced super-soldiers with power armor suits.

To use my earlier example of three tiers - elites, reguulars, and garrisons - here is how you might divvy it up.

Elite Forces: $6,000 Cost, 80,000,000 men @ 40,000/$1 with x3 kit mulltiplier.
Regular Forces: $5,000 Cost, 250,000,000 men @ 100,000/$1 with x2 kit multiplier
Garrison Forces: $4,000 Cost, 640,000,000 men @ 200,000/$1 with x1.25 kit multiplier

Such a state has thus spend $15,000 on its starting Army and has the aforementioned forces. Now 970 million soldiers might not seem a lot if your population is 200 billion, but remember that this is just your offensive-capable army forces. You would have billions more in uniform, active or reserve, under System Defense.

As for how these troops move, it will be presumed that dedicated troop transports exist in sufficient quantity to allow you to ship all of your forces at any given time, though the moderators reserve the right to reduce this depending on circumstances (if you've suffered a recent spate of attacks on trade, for instance, or if you've expanded your army since game start or have suffered the loss of systems). If you want a combat warship to have some troop carrying capacity, to serve for rapid response operations, seizing mining colonies, or for boarding ships, what have you, then carrier rules apply; up to half of a hull can be assigned for troop carrying and you are limited to 1,000 troops per $1 of hull value. A $100 hull value ship can devote up to $50 for troop carrying, and can thus carry 100,000 troops - though the max combat value is still limited to $50 - and sufficient dropships to ferry them to a planetary surface.


Unit Building:

For purposes of keeping gameplay simple building times will not be strictly enforced, though attempts to build things too quickly in peacetime will merit mod intervention, whether it be in the form of mandated economic problems, equipment failures in the new units, political opposition, or NPCs growling at you for such unmerited expansion rates. To give you an idea of where the line is before you provoke such intervention, I will now spell out the rates we're looking for.

For spacecraft production at peacetime, a rate of $1 worth of fighters, shuttles, or gunboats a week is a reasonable rate.

The general peacetime rate we'd like to see is starship production at a rate of 1 month for every $10 of hull value, not counting trials periods of +50% time. A $100 value ship takes 10 months to build, then add another 5 months for trials and shakedown, a $50 value ship takes 5 months to build and 3 months trials (rounding up from 2.5 months).

As for land troops, it should take 3 months to train a cadre of Screaming Horde, 6 months to train garrison-quality troops, a year to train Regulars, and 2 years to train Elites. As for numerical limit on each, each new addition should only be about a quarter, at most, of what is already in service. If you have 100 million Elites, you can train 25 million more for the first two years training period. Then once they're trained you can train 31.25 million more in the next 2 year period, and so on. These are the guidelines for peacetime Army expansion. It is presumed that the necessary kit is being produced while your forces train.

[Steve]

For people who wish to start crunching numbers, here are the results of the dice rolls:

Siege: 5
Darkevilme: 5
Zor: 1
Shinn: 2
Setzer: 4
Dark Hellion: 3
Norade: 6
Teleros: 1
Shady: 2
Fingolfin: 2
loomer: 5
TimothyC: 4
Master_Baerne: 2
Ryan: 5
Pollux: 6
CmdrWilkens: 3
Akhlut: 2
Dave: 2
Shroom: 6
Skimmer: 4
Lonestar: 3
Kuroji: 5
PeZook: 1
Shep: 1
Sorchus: 4
Grif: 6

[Master_Baerne]

Numbers crunched.

1 Home Sector = Firmament Sector; Hyperspace Junction and Warp Gate
2 Core Sector = Isabella, Inception Sectors; Inception Sector has a Hyperspace Junction
3 Midrange Sector = Zephyr, Sleighbell, Windmill Sectors
2 Colony Sector = Lorica, James Sectors

58 000 ISV


Navy
16x Victory-class Superdreadnought; 500 per / 8 000 ISV
30x Unbending-class Dreadnought; 300 per / 9 000 ISV
60x Glorious-class Battlecruiser; 150 per / 9 000 ISV
120x Crescent-class Heavy Cruiser; 75 per / 9 000 ISV
200x Morghann-class Light Cruiser; 50 per / 10 000 ISV
200x Inquisitor-class Corvette; 20 per / 4 000 ISV
49 000 ISV Total Expenditure

Army
40 000 000 Elite Troops; 3 per 40,000 w/ Elite kit / 3 000 ISV
300 000 000 Regular Troops; 3 per 100,000 w/ Advanced kit / 6 000 ISV
9 000 ISV Total Expenditure

49 000 ISV + 9 000 ISV = 58 000 ISV

[Darkevilme]

I'm a great nation now, woot.

Chamaran Hierarchy:

Territories: 25 NCP

1 'Jewel' home sector $14k 60b
1 'Unity' core sector (with GDP+) $13 50b
2 'Makay and Diseria' midrange sectors (each with GDP+) $9*2 30*2b
1 'Hope' midrange sector (with additional hyperspace junction and GDP+)$11 30b
5 'Mundus, Kao, Pyre, Crucible and Riza' colony sectors $3*3 10*3b

total GDP: $65k

Total population: 230 billion.


Military expenditures:
24000 National army, Chamaran regulars.480million
-base cost -$5 per 100k

15x$1000 Patrol groups(1 for each colony sector, 2 for each mid, core and home sector)
-$400 x8 Predator cruisers
-$600 x12 Fang frigate

10x$2580 Battle Taskforces (1 for each sector)
-$800 x2 Dominion Flagship
-$900 x3 Rampant battleships
-$400 x8 Predator cruisers
-$240 x1 Fang frigates
-$240 x12 Wayward destroyers



$280 diplomatic core
x10 Yachts ($8 each)
x20 Yacht escort corvettes ($10 each)

[Zor]

16x Victory-class Superdreadnought; 500 per / 6 000 ISV

That figure is wrong there.

Zor

[Steve]

Yeah, should be $8,000.

[loomer]

Hot damn, The Commissions will be a force to be feared!

[Dark Hellion]

Just a quick math question:

Once you spend 1 NCP for a GDP boost in your nation, you must add a Population boost somewhere before you can add a second GDP boost. IOW, if you spend 2 NCP for extra GDP, you must also spend 1 NCP on population. If you spend 3 NCP for extra GDP, you must spend 2 NCP for extra population. And so on.

Is this the finalized wording? I ask because some odd GDP/NCP ratio effects pop up. Spending 1 NCP nets you a 3/1 GDP/NCP; spending 2 NCP now puts you at 1.5/1 G/N which is less than the 2/1 that buying a colony sector. If you spend 3NCP you get back to the 2/1 and then for any even spending you are at 1.5/1 and any odd you are at 2/1.

There is a lot of goofy things that seem to go on in how this mechanic is worded. First, it gives the best return for the least development (beyond none). Second, it has some goofiness in that players with even left over points must buy colonies to get the 2/1 ratio that seems standardized. Third, technically someone could spend 5 points of GDP and 5 points in pop, load all the GDP on a colony sector (getting a colony that outproduces your home sector) and the pop on another colony sector (a colony that outpopulates your home) which while maybe plausible and definitely rationalization seems a bit weird.

None of this oddity seems capable of any accidental game breaking but still looks a bit hinky.

I see several different routes that I would suggest that one could go down to patch some of this up.

1) Make the GDP-->pop-->GDP pattern sector by sector. This prevents someone from loading one sector up with either in particular, generally maintains the 2/1 GDP/NCP ratio and discourages building up a super-sector.

2) Lock GDP at 2/1 by tying a pop increase into it. 1NCP would equal $2000 and require a 5bil pop increase to provide the workers. Doesn't get rid of super-sectors but does get rid of math ickyness and some fluff silliness.

3) Split the upgrades between the sector they are applied and the home sector. It seems kinda odd to me that with very minimal investment a Core Sector can become significantly more important than your home sector by every mechanical rubric of the game. Theoretically, fluff and storytelling should prevent this but communism also works in theory so . Perhaps for every point of pop 5bil goes to the Home Sector and 10bil to the Sector you spent it on, and likewise for GDP. We can easily rationalize this as higher non-home pops need more bureaucrats/couriers/academicians/etc. to support and the increased production of non-home sectors would have an impact upon the financial industries of the home sector.

Now, I don't think any of these would be necessary for the game to play out fine, we might as well look for little things like this while we still have a month and a half of planning, instead of noticing them in the first week of play.

[Steve]

Just a quick math question:

Is this the finalized wording? I ask because some odd GDP/NCP ratio effects pop up. Spending 1 NCP nets you a 3/1 GDP/NCP; spending 2 NCP now puts you at 1.5/1 G/N which is less than the 2/1 that buying a colony sector. If you spend 3NCP you get back to the 2/1 and then for any even spending you are at 1.5/1 and any odd you are at 2/1.

There is a lot of goofy things that seem to go on in how this mechanic is worded. First, it gives the best return for the least development (beyond none). Second, it has some goofiness in that players with even left over points must buy colonies to get the 2/1 ratio that seems standardized. Third, technically someone could spend 5 points of GDP and 5 points in pop, load all the GDP on a colony sector (getting a colony that outproduces your home sector) and the pop on another colony sector (a colony that outpopulates your home) which while maybe plausible and definitely rationalization seems a bit weird.

Okay, the GDP boosts and Population boosts were intended for something someone could do with a leftover point if they didn't want another sector. The whole reason I added Population requirements past the first GDP boost is to eliminate easy gaming of the system.

Now, honestly, population will be mostly for fluff, unless we have some really, really bad interstellar wars, but I'll keep it in should people want to use it. Since the whole point, as Wilkens once said, is to set up stories for people to get involved with, not to "win".

As for your suggestion - how does that make sense? Why would someone spend 9 points for a $15,000 GDP boost (five GDP boosts @ $3k per, four population boosts) when they can spend those 9 points for, say, a Core Sector ($10k), a Midrange ($6k), and then either a Colony Sector ($2k) or a GDP boost ($3k) for a total of $18-19k? It doesn't make a bleeding lick of sense. And that's why I'm not worried about it.

None of this oddity seems capable of any accidental game breaking but still looks a bit hinky.

I'm presuming nobody's stupid enough to go beyond, at most, 2 GDP boosts and 1 Pop boost, as the it's not a wide use of the boosts. If people do so, I'll make them allocate Population and GDP logically.

[Steve]

Anyone have any desires/suggestions for the in-game year we start in? I was leaning toward 3000-3200 but I'm starting to wonder if we should tilt closer to the 35th Century.

[Zor]

Can it be possible to ask for having battleships carry a few Strike Craft and not be carriers?

Zor

[PeZook]

I'm a great nation now, woot.

Oh, don't worry about it. There are some special arrangements going on