Battlestar Galactica Arrives in...

[Coalition]

One thing I'd like to see is nBSG running into another group of refugees, with the smaller ships trying to protect a giant metal banana.

[Iosef Cross]

What if the Battlestar Galactica (the new series) arrived in the following settings being chased by the Cylons?e

1. Real World (2010)
2. Draka (2010)
3. Legacy of the Altadenta (2010)
4. Halo (2553)
5. Star Wars (0 ABY)
6. Star Trek (2379)
7. Starship Troopers (at end of novel)
8. Duneverse (as Leto II becomes Emperor)
9. Warhammer 40000 (current setting)

For 9, 5, 4 and 7, I think that the arrival of battlestar galactica and the pursuing cylons would be like the present day discovery of a small Indian tribe that is trying to scape from another pursuing tribe. They wouldn't probably kill these individuals that don't present any threat to civilization.

[Gramzamber]

What if the Battlestar Galactica (the new series) arrived in the following settings being chased by the Cylons?e

1. Real World (2010)
2. Draka (2010)
3. Legacy of the Altadenta (2010)
4. Halo (2553)
5. Star Wars (0 ABY)
6. Star Trek (2379)
7. Starship Troopers (at end of novel)
8. Duneverse (as Leto II becomes Emperor)
9. Warhammer 40000 (current setting)

For 9, 5, 4 and 7, I think that the arrival of battlestar galactica and the pursuing cylons would be like the present day discovery of a small Indian tribe that is trying to scape from another pursuing tribe. They wouldn't probably kill these individuals that don't present any threat to civilization.

They would however likely kill the Cylons on principle, especially 40k and Star Wars.
In fact the only ones out of all of those that'd even try negotiation with them is the Federation, and given their experience with the Borg it's also most probably going to end with the Cylons burning.

[Gramzamber]

The Cylons and the Borg aren't even remotely similar. Why do people keep bringing them up?

They're similar in that both single-mindedly seek the destruction of all human life.
Yes the Borg call it assimilation and "preservation" but it's destruction all the same, the life that they assimilate and preserve stops evolving on it's own. You might as well call V'Ger digitising ships out of existance preservation.

[speaker-to-trolls]

^ I think what he was getting at was that the Cylons are a small collection of (post)humans with control over semi-intelligent robots, and are capable of emotion, personal relationships, disagreements, negotiation, recognising the value of individual life and so on. The Borg just aren't.

[Gramzamber]

^ I think what he was getting at was that the Cylons are a small collection of (post)humans with control over semi-intelligent robots, and are capable of emotion, personal relationships, disagreements, negotiation, recognising the value of individual life and so on. The Borg just aren't.

True but I'm going on what the Colonials regard them as, what the Colonials would tell others about them, and what these various universes would see them as.
In Star Trek's case, here come a bunch of desperate humans saying there are killbots out to exterminate them, and hey here come the killbots. It's at the very least going to put them in the evil invader category unless the Cylons are very smooth about it.

[Gramzamber]

In Star Trek's case, here come a bunch of desperate humans saying there are killbots out to exterminate them, and hey here come the killbots.

And then the killbots are commanded by.... humans. Now the colonials come off as racist.

Humans who are clearly clones and how the hell are the Colonials going to come off as racist against things that are chasing and shooting at them?

Don't forget that the Cylons weren't a collective group either. They had people who disagreed and there was a full blown schism later on in the show.

I can't think of a single similarity between Borg and Cylon aside from them both being villains.

What, because rebel Borg don't exist?

[Imperial528]

What if the Battlestar Galactica (the new series) arrived in the following settings being chased by the Cylons?

1. Real World (2010)
2. Draka (2010)
3. Legacy of the Altadenta (2010)
4. Halo (2553)
5. Star Wars (0 ABY)
6. Star Trek (2379)
7. Starship Troopers (at end of novel)
8. Duneverse (as Leto II becomes Emperor)
9. Warhammer 40000 (current setting)

1. I can imagine two scenarios:
1A. We're fucked, some people might survive in bunkers that were not at the direct blast zones. I'm expecting China or Russia to be nuked first, because it seems to me they'd try and launch nukes at the orbiting cylons when they first show up. People on the I.S.S. probably get to watch the fireworks, or be the first KIAs.
1B. Writers and owners of BSG decide in a unanimous instant conference that, on second thought, cylons are wimps who would be easily defeated by a space shuttle with a mounted auto-pitching machine. Scientists grab the first ship to land and haul it off to a laboratory, and the rest of the world goes: "Cool story, bro."
2, 3, 7, 8. Not familiar with them.
4. UNSC looks at both sides, shrugs, and lets the MACs fly at whoever shoots them first. Any remaining covenant forces shoots first, any remaining flood get a nice snack, depends where they end up.
5. If the Imperials find them, God bless both sides, because now one of C-3PO's outrageously low odds-of-survival numbers will have a place in the universe. If any local power finds them: Same result, except the survivors might be lucky to get a "job" on a pirate/smuggler/gang's crew, or be sold into slavery.
6. Picard will fail to negotiate with the cylons (if he chooses to try in the first place), and will help the colonials once he gets over the Prime Directive, which could take anywhere from a millisecond of thought to a few days depending on the exact details.
9. Since most of the medium-major worlds in the Imperium are self-sufficient (super)fortresses with their own uber-fleets to my knowledge, cylons get screwed on site for being aliens, colonials might, depends on whether or not they're called heretics and blasphemers on first sight.

[Kuroji]

One thing I'd like to see is nBSG running into another group of refugees, with the smaller ships trying to protect a giant metal banana.

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Seriously, an nBSG/Homeworld fanfic would be a hell of a work. Not to mention that all considered, once the Colonial fleet meets up with them and spends some time, they'd be cranking out Vipers to replace their attrition and have them fighting alongside their interceptors. Vipers would probably be a far sight better than Defenders at short-range defense while the Kushan strike fleet would be far more capable of longer range missions.

[Stark]

No, it'd be complete rubbish because HW is predicated on nanowank RTS silliness.

[Gramzamber]

Humans who are clearly clones and how the hell are the Colonials going to come off as racist against things that are chasing and shooting at them?

Because they are racist. Time and time again, everyone assumed all the cylons were the same, and they were wrong.

But Athena thinks -

- It doesn't think, it is programmed. Its a machine.

"Toaster."

The Cylons brought them to the edge of extinction and already fought a bloody war decades before.
That's hardly going to bring about much empathy for them.

Even the high and mighty Federation wouldn't brand them racists for this. Hell, Data had to suffer the indignity of a court case to prove his sapience after decades of service in Starfleet.

Then, your own statement that these machines single-mindedly seek the destruction of all human life. Completely false, starting with the end of season two where the sixes decided to try a new approach.

Again my statement is based on what the universes in question would regard them as.
Even if the Colonials arrive at the point where they're allied with the rebel Basestar, everybody is still going to look on Cavil's Cylons as the next Borg threat in the making unless Cavil is immediately smart and diplomatic about the situation.

Do they? Hugh comes the closest, but he's nothing like what the six's and eight's did. And, the crew of the Enterprise, of course, decided against killing Hugh himself, when their only interaction with the Borg was getting their asses kicked in Q-Who and getting plastered again in Best of Both Worlds.

There's also the Borg Cooperative.. as much as I dislike citing anything Voyager related. So splinter Borg are documented.Like
Like I said the Feds would be the most likely to negociate, but there would be hawks in the background demanding that the Cylons be taken care of.

[Kuroji]

Stark, I was kind of under the assumption that if were it written, it would downplay the parts that make it an RTS (gathering RUs) and instead make the Homeworld part significantly more realistic (gathering ore with harvesters, transporting it to the mothership for processing). And slightly less magical insta-production of ships.

[General Mung Beans]

If the Cylons do arrive in the real world and find out that a lot of their religions are similar to their own how would they react?

[Teleros]

If the Cylons do arrive in the real world and find out that a lot of their religions are similar to their own how would they react?

That may be the best way of avoiding getting our arses kicked actually. "Look how similar we are!" (to both sides) may get them to investigate rather than drop nukes on people, at least for a while, which would give Earth a chance to possibly do something about the big nuke-armed spaceships in orbit - even if it's just "build bomb shelters & evacuate the cities".

[Sarevok]

Forget about religon.

The fact they found another America like their home country would drive Colonials nuts.

[Night_stalker]

Oh, yeah. Doubtlessly though, Cavil will try and convince the other models that we are a pest to be exterminated like the Colonies, and try and hack our computer systems, which will result in Fort Meade, Bletchley Park, and Anoymous deciding to show them how to get hacked, which stuns them long enough for us to begin launching our nukes.

[spartasman]

I seriously doubt Anonymous would be able to attack the Cylons, they can't even take on the Scientologists in a cohesive manner.

[Night_stalker]

Well, now they have some big guns to play with, namely the NSA's supercomputers.

[Gramzamber]

Why would the Cylons need to hack our computers?
Unlike with the Colonials, the Cylons would have total space superiority and could probably just shoot down our missiles while dropping rocks on us.

[Srelex]

Why would the Cylons need to hack our computers?
Unlike with the Colonials, the Cylons would have total space superiority and could probably just shoot down our missiles while dropping rocks on us.

Why bother with finding and prepping asteroids? They've clearly got orbital bombardment capabilities that can depopulate worlds...which didn't seem to cause too much physical damage at least from what we saw, but it's there.

[Gramzamber]

Why would the Cylons need to hack our computers?
Unlike with the Colonials, the Cylons would have total space superiority and could probably just shoot down our missiles while dropping rocks on us.

Why bother with finding and prepping asteroids? They've clearly got orbital bombardment capabilities that can depopulate worlds...which didn't seem to cause too much physical damage at least from what we saw, but it's there.

Yeah I'm just using the drop rocks line to illustrate how they can pretty much burn us at their leisure.

[Night_stalker]

True, but I'm sure that such a beautiful world will make them want to try and conquer it, not kill off all life. We can use that to our advantage. Centurion, meet M1A1 MBT.

[remus2]

What if the Battlestar Galactica (the new series) arrived in the following settings being chased by the Cylons?

1. Real World (2010)
2. Draka (2010)
3. Legacy of the Altadenta (2010)
4. Halo (2553)
5. Star Wars (0 ABY)
6. Star Trek (2379)
7. Starship Troopers (at end of novel)
8. Duneverse (as Leto II becomes Emperor)
9. Warhammer 40000 (current setting)

2. Draka get into fight with the Colonials because there is no Stirling the savior for them, and now the luck changes. So when the cylons get to earth they have already blown the colonials up or are fighting them. Cylons now must chase Colonials and make ready for a serious siege of the lost tribe, who are paranoid militaristic and fortified in the extreme.

3. Dunno if Eye of the Storm has occured or not. If yes they are on war footing and will swipe the cylons out of the sky. If not Darhel fuckery will bleed earthern navy pretty good. The cylons are beaten and colonials are an issue as they have A.I. uncontroled FTL. Seeing how the Navy acts in Eye of the Storm they may be very well blown out of the sky, if not for plucky heroes or deus ex.

4. Smart A.I. MAC. You can blink in where you want but basestars will be swated. It is the will of the profets. Colonials will gain protection from cylons - Covenant is a non isue as all humans must die, possibly even skinjobs- and UNSC and ONI get new super fast tactical FTL.

5. Cylons are a non issue in star wars. colonials are interresting for various groups. Imagine jump drive smuglers

6. Flowery talk and no action from most kaptains of starfleet until Cylons actualy jump in shields and unleash Nuclear Cleansing
But a Maverik captain might 'mistake' colonials for Federation citizens and zap the 'bots

7. A entire empire but in name is on war footing and bristling with veterans. After some adaptation to fighting warship and technological enemy the might of Earth Fleets will swamp them. The Fate of the Colonials is unknown. There are no Colonials. There never existed any Colonials. Actualy the Robot menace was controled by deluded Humans calling themselves "colonial".

8. Colonials have some trouble getting used to, but are getting some major grief by the spacer guild, while every power block and House wants them and the Ftl they own. Cylons are quickly hunted down and minutously studied -or blown to bits if the pilot has anything to say about it and has some knowledge of the robotic enemy.

9. Cylons are flaged as another minor nuisance of the mighty Imperium of Man. Sould they have the audacity to enter Holy Sol they will be introduced to milllions upon millions of nova shots, Lance beams melta rays and plasma blobs. Colonials are impounded by The most Holy Inquisiton or The Cult Mechanicus, depending on whom the Emperor smiled that day.


1. Glen A. Larson, Ronald D. Moore and David Eick rewrite the stuff so that colonials and cylons obidiently do as they are told by the US, no UN advisory board. This of corse happens at gunpoint. US G.I.s or Marines pointing guns at writers and the World aiming nukes at the US so nothing funny happens

[General Mung Beans]

What if the Battlestar Galactica (the new series) arrived in the following settings being chased by the Cylons?

1. Real World (2010)
2. Draka (2010)
3. Legacy of the Altadenta (2010)
4. Halo (2553)
5. Star Wars (0 ABY)
6. Star Trek (2379)
7. Starship Troopers (at end of novel)
8. Duneverse (as Leto II becomes Emperor)
9. Warhammer 40000 (current setting)

7. A entire empire but in name is on war footing and bristling with veterans. After some adaptation to fighting warship and technological enemy the might of Earth Fleets will swamp them. The Fate of the Colonials is unknown. There are no Colonials. There never existed any Colonials. Actualy the Robot menace was controled by deluded Humans calling themselves "colonial".

The book Starship Troopers does not have a fascist dictatorship.

[Batman]

I'm sorry, I must have missed the mention of a fascist dictatorship in there