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Jack London's Sci-Fi Stories

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Jack London wrote several "future history" stories in addition to his more famous adventure works.

Some examples

The Iron Heel is a novel about the rise of a fascist oligarchy in the United States, the suppression of the socialists, and possibly an inspiration for 1984. http://www.jacklondons.net/writings/IronHeel/toc.html

The Scarlet Plague is a novella depicting a massive global plague that depopulates the world. Its pre-plague world seems to be the same as the one in Iron Heel. The plague happens amusingly enough in 2012 and some of the anachronisms are also amusing: we still have a Victorian style society in 2012 and a man who flew a plane 300 mph is said to be "too fast for conservative people" :lol: http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/Scarlet/

"The Unparalleled Invasion" is an incredibly racist work where the Western powers blockade China and then proceed to genocide the Chinese people through biological weapons-all because China was overrunning some European colonies in SE Asia and also because they thought the Chinese were overwhelmingly outnumbering whites. I think it may have been an inspiration for Turner Diaries. http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/Stren ... asion.html
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It seems to have been a common theme that Japan, then China, would unleash horrible war upon the West.
Replace the plagues with Nuclear bombs and you have SAC dealing with a Chipan on the warpath. Might want to talk to Stuart about that.
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Jeremy wrote:It seems to have been a common theme that Japan, then China, would unleash horrible war upon the West.
Replace the plagues with Nuclear bombs and you have SAC dealing with a Chipan on the warpath. Might want to talk to Stuart about that.
Hmm. A point.

Yellow Peril novels were huge in that era because "the Orient" was an unknown place, one that had just demonstrated its ability to go toe to toe with at least some European powers (Japan vs. Russia), and one with a truly stunning population.
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NOTE: Stuart's TBOverse does not have 'clean-up squads' murdering the survivors of SAC's nuclear bombardment.

That does seem extremely TD-ish.
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Jeremy wrote:It seems to have been a common theme that Japan, then China, would unleash horrible war upon the West.
Replace the plagues with Nuclear bombs and you have SAC dealing with a Chipan on the warpath. Might want to talk to Stuart about that.
Who's Stuart?
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Mr. Awesome McCoolpants

He has two series going right now
The Big One: Strategic Bombing prevails over Ballistic Missiles and a lot of other stuff
The Salvation War: Yahweh's and Satan's comeuppance
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FFS does every thread have to turn into a circle-jerking lovefest for Stuart.
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Are you saying that you aren't a fan of the best original fiction ever posted on SDN (sorry Bladed Crescent)?
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I believe that I am a fan of the best original fiction ever posted on SDN.

I'm also a fan of The Salvation War, which may or may not be the best. I respect its role in popularizing this site (since it was one of the things that drew me here, though it wasn't strictly the reason I got an account here in the first place). It's very good, though I think there are some valid criticisms you can make of the work.

I can't speak for The Big One and the TBOverse, nor do I think it should be "required reading" for members of this site, because the founding novels cannot be accessed for free. It's reasonable for people to not know what the heck is going on in that series if they don't get into extended conversations with Stuart and his social circle on this site.

For reference, Stuart wrote The Big One as an alternate historical novel in which the Nazis do as well as he, a professional nuclear war planner, could imagine them doing... possibly a bit better. So they manage to hang on into 1947, the Brits have given up, and the Russians are taking a horrible, extended beating.

Just another "Nazi victory" timeline, right? Well, not really. One of the lesser-known facets of the war is that the US was developing a strategic bombing plan for use against Nazi Germany even assuming the Brits were out of the war. It involved extremely long range, high altitude bombers, ones that the Germans historically never developed interceptor good enough to catch. They never even designed interceptors good enough to catch them.

When the plan was drafted in 1941, it was assumed that the bombers would be loaded with conventional weapons. By 1947 the atomic bomb is available on a large scale, and the resulting massed nuclear attack blasts the Third Reich to splinters in a day.

Stuart did a hell of a lot of research for the novel, and he can actually point to the documents that, in real life, laid out the plans for how this operation would have gone down, had it been necessary.

From what I've heard, it was written as a "take that!" to all the Nazi victory settings, with the intent of proving that even if they had everything falling their way, they were still doomed.
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JointStrikeFighter wrote:FFS does every thread have to turn into a circle-jerking lovefest for Stuart.
While some circle-jerking is bound to happen, and should be frowned upon, that fact that Stuart is a legitimate expert in the field of warfare, and not in an amateur more one dimensional facts and figures (and 1960s graphs) kinda way like Shep (sorry Shep), a certain level of respect and admiration is bound to occur.
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Simon, what would you say was the best original work here?
Phantasee wrote:Are you saying that you aren't a fan of the best original fiction ever posted on SDN (sorry Bladed Crescent)?
Bladed Crescents stories are more entertaining than TSW, this is objective fact, as can be seen by an analysis of the number of scenes in each ones works where people are talking about strategic planning or relocation of military-industrial resources against number of scenes with plot/character development, epic battle or weird shit*
Bladed Crescent wins on all counts.

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TSW is certainly the best collection of military briefs and weapons systems brochures with a vague narrative link ever made
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