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If you know what you're doing, you aren't going to lose your AMD. It's when you get some numbskull who thinks that it can be run without a heatsink, or doesn't have any inkling what thermal transfer compound is, that you get into trouble.MKSheppard wrote:Performance doesn't matter worth a damn if it dies after being coughed on..
Which begs the point:Crayz9000 wrote: The most trouble I've had with AMD is the motherboard manufacturers. The chips run flawlessly, if a bit on the warm side.
Rubbish. get an Amd 2ghz, take the fan off it, switch it on and stick some eggs on it.....right before it melts...your eggs will be ready..Darth Pounder wrote:AMD are the way to go. They are cheap and very durable. You need to physically use a blowtortch before the chip even heats up.
usually about three seconds after switch onExactly, anyone with a modicrum of sense knows the chips will overheat at the speeds they are running at these days and take measures to compensate, it's these idiots who by a computer for christmas from a 'reputable' company like Dixons...only to find there's no fan on the chip....what happens?....they hear a glooping sound is their computer melts before their eyes...I know this as my dad just got done tending to a computer (Intel no less ) the chip had physically started to melt the motherboard, as well as the actual chip.Crayz9000 wrote:If you know what you're doing, you aren't going to lose your AMD. It's when you get some numbskull who thinks that it can be run without a heatsink, or doesn't have any inkling what thermal transfer compound is, that you get into trouble.MKSheppard wrote:Performance doesn't matter worth a damn if it dies after being coughed on..
The most trouble I've had with AMD is the motherboard manufacturers. The chips run flawlessly, if a bit on the warm side.
Why do they need to run so damn fast? AMD chips run slower than IntelCoaan wrote: Exactly, anyone with a modicrum of sense knows the chips will overheat at the speeds they are running at these days
Bullshit. Amd core's run almost twice as fast, not to mention all the complex instructions intels are running as Keevan mentioned where Amd runs only simple commands to do the same job, for games and general leisure, Amd's are superiour. For Business with their floating points, Intels are better..MKSheppard wrote:Why do they need to run so damn fast? AMD chips run slower than IntelCoaan wrote: Exactly, anyone with a modicrum of sense knows the chips will overheat at the speeds they are running at these days
Chips and yet are neck and neck as far as raw power is concerned....
AMD processors use a better design, Intel uses an unwieldy complex instruction set meaning that while it technically clocks at a certain speed, its actual performance with real code is far lower due to variable instruction lengths and other crap....MKSheppard wrote:Why do they need to run so damn fast? AMD chips run slower than IntelCoaan wrote: Exactly, anyone with a modicrum of sense knows the chips will overheat at the speeds they are running at these days
Chips and yet are neck and neck as far as raw power is concerned....
The difference is that AMD is planning to leave it up to the user to activate Palladium, like they've left it up to the user about overclocking. At least, that's what I recall.Keevan_Colton wrote:As for Palladium IIRC AMD have signed up for it aswell...leaving only Crusoe....but I cant remember where I read that info....
That sounds like AMD alright.Crayz9000 wrote:The difference is that AMD is planning to leave it up to the user to activate Palladium, like they've left it up to the user about overclocking. At least, that's what I recall.Keevan_Colton wrote:As for Palladium IIRC AMD have signed up for it aswell...leaving only Crusoe....but I cant remember where I read that info....
Shep is right. The heat tolerance of an AMD chipset is literally the flip of the switch, I've seen it before. My friend and I use to work for a computer store, and he failed to attach the heatsink correctly, the AMD was fried in about 1 - 1.5 seconds after the power was turned on.Crayz9000 wrote:If you know what you're doing, you aren't going to lose your AMD. It's when you get some numbskull who thinks that it can be run without a heatsink, or doesn't have any inkling what thermal transfer compound is, that you get into trouble.MKSheppard wrote:Performance doesn't matter worth a damn if it dies after being coughed on..
The most trouble I've had with AMD is the motherboard manufacturers. The chips run flawlessly, if a bit on the warm side.
Which is why I always buy barebonesKamakazie Sith wrote: Shep is right. The heat tolerance of an AMD chipset is literally the flip of the switch, I've seen it before. My friend and I use to work for a computer store, and he failed to attach the heatsink correctly, the AMD was fried in about 1 - 1.5 seconds after the power was turned on.
Let the poor fuck being Moral of the story...attach things properly.Kamakazie Sith wrote:Shep is right. The heat tolerance of an AMD chipset is literally the flip of the switch, I've seen it before. My friend and I use to work for a computer store, and he failed to attach the heatsink correctly, the AMD was fried in about 1 - 1.5 seconds after the power was turned on.Crayz9000 wrote:If you know what you're doing, you aren't going to lose your AMD. It's when you get some numbskull who thinks that it can be run without a heatsink, or doesn't have any inkling what thermal transfer compound is, that you get into trouble.MKSheppard wrote:Performance doesn't matter worth a damn if it dies after being coughed on..
The most trouble I've had with AMD is the motherboard manufacturers. The chips run flawlessly, if a bit on the warm side.
Well we got paid by commission, it was pretty sweet about $40/hr ......when there was work.MKSheppard wrote:Which is why I always buy barebonesKamakazie Sith wrote: Shep is right. The heat tolerance of an AMD chipset is literally the flip of the switch, I've seen it before. My friend and I use to work for a computer store, and he failed to attach the heatsink correctly, the AMD was fried in about 1 - 1.5 seconds after the power was turned on.
paid $5.65 an hour fuck it up, not me
Yup, and he learned that lesson very well. In fact he has become fanatical about it. (Thank god we were able to return it and get a new one free from our supplier)Keevan_Colton wrote:Moral of the story...attach things properly.Kamakazie Sith wrote:Shep is right. The heat tolerance of an AMD chipset is literally the flip of the switch, I've seen it before. My friend and I use to work for a computer store, and he failed to attach the heatsink correctly, the AMD was fried in about 1 - 1.5 seconds after the power was turned on.Crayz9000 wrote: If you know what you're doing, you aren't going to lose your AMD. It's when you get some numbskull who thinks that it can be run without a heatsink, or doesn't have any inkling what thermal transfer compound is, that you get into trouble.
The most trouble I've had with AMD is the motherboard manufacturers. The chips run flawlessly, if a bit on the warm side.
If you dont insulate the motherboard from the case you can fry every chip on it....is that poor design or people screwing up something?
As well as the gel you can apply, extractor cards you can plug in, base extractor fans and all the other nice wee aditions any decent box can supportKeevan_Colton wrote:Just as a little matter....
Who here would run a car without oil?
Suprise...the engine is ruined.....
Same goes for processors and heat sinks and fans....
Intels are a bit more durable, they actually shut down when they are overheating.......AMDs just die. At least that has been my experience.Keevan_Colton wrote:Just as a little matter....
Who here would run a car without oil?
Suprise...the engine is ruined.....
Same goes for processors and heat sinks and fans....
Actually it can be mother board dependant....some (good ones) have heat sensors built in and will cut out the computer before the proccessor can pass a certain temp.Kamakazie Sith wrote:Intels are a bit more durable, they actually shut down when they are overheating.......AMDs just die. At least that has been my experience.Keevan_Colton wrote:Just as a little matter....
Who here would run a car without oil?
Suprise...the engine is ruined.....
Same goes for processors and heat sinks and fans....
Most of the time, it is people screwing up....the fans do work and if you buy the right one, the computer will last for the best part of ten years (replacing the fan, the only moving part every couple of years), if you fit something wrong to start with....you will end up with nothing but fuckups to follow that...hell even the professional engineers aren't all that efficent at fitting stuff, they are in it for the per hour lump sum and believe me when I say they'll draw out as many hours as they canKamakazie Sith wrote:Yup, and he learned that lesson very well. In fact he has become fanatical about it. (Thank god we were able to return it and get a new one free from our supplier)Keevan_Colton wrote:Moral of the story...attach things properly.Kamakazie Sith wrote: Shep is right. The heat tolerance of an AMD chipset is literally the flip of the switch, I've seen it before. My friend and I use to work for a computer store, and he failed to attach the heatsink correctly, the AMD was fried in about 1 - 1.5 seconds after the power was turned on.
If you dont insulate the motherboard from the case you can fry every chip on it....is that poor design or people screwing up something?
As for the motherboards, that is people screwing up. There may be a few defects but for the most part that is people screwing up, not putting screws in where they need to be.
Most chips these days also have a thermostat as well to help in this...but yeah, both Jetway and Gigabyte both have sensors on most of their decent boards, if not all of them but don't quote me on thatKeevan_Colton wrote:Actually it can be mother board dependant....some (good ones) have heat sensors built in and will cut out the computer before the proccessor can pass a certain temp.Kamakazie Sith wrote:Intels are a bit more durable, they actually shut down when they are overheating.......AMDs just die. At least that has been my experience.Keevan_Colton wrote:Just as a little matter....
Who here would run a car without oil?
Suprise...the engine is ruined.....
Same goes for processors and heat sinks and fans....
Yeah.......Keevan_Colton wrote:Actually it can be mother board dependant....some (good ones) have heat sensors built in and will cut out the computer before the proccessor can pass a certain temp.Kamakazie Sith wrote:Intels are a bit more durable, they actually shut down when they are overheating.......AMDs just die. At least that has been my experience.Keevan_Colton wrote:Just as a little matter....
Who here would run a car without oil?
Suprise...the engine is ruined.....
Same goes for processors and heat sinks and fans....
You can get all sorts of coolers...the noise depends entirely on the make and model of fan used....they are all different.Admiral Valdemar wrote:My old AMD 166MHz and then 355MHz chips were great. The PC I have at uni is a 1.7GHz Pentium 4 and is smooth as anything (may need more RAM though).
But the custom built AMD 1800+ that my bro has at home needs enough power for the cooling fan to make gas turbines seem tame, it's so fucking noisy! Maybe it's just the fan type, but that thing I could not have in my room and leave overnight if I wanted sleep.
Religion has or should not have any bearing on a service that you provide...what would it matter to someone if you were a devil worshipper so long as the work was done and they were satisfied?Kamakazie Sith wrote:Yeah.......Keevan_Colton wrote:Actually it can be mother board dependant....some (good ones) have heat sensors built in and will cut out the computer before the proccessor can pass a certain temp.Kamakazie Sith wrote: Intels are a bit more durable, they actually shut down when they are overheating.......AMDs just die. At least that has been my experience.
On another topic. I don't work at that place anymore and you people would love the reason why I had to quit.
Everything is going great, I'm getting lots of hours and pulling in around $900 - $1000 dollars every other week (yeah I know that isn't a lot to some of you).
We were encouraged to carry on conversations with the companies clients while out on a job, I did have a conversation and happened to mentioned my religious standing(athiest, yes it was a stupid move). I live in Utah, and I'm sure you know what Utah is famous for at least as far as religion is concerned. Well after that conversation my work load dropped by 90% because 90% of my work load was for an entire county, I was told that they didn't want me around anymore.....I'm sure you can guess why. Fuckers..
I want an oil cooled one.Keevan_Colton wrote:You can get all sorts of coolers...the noise depends entirely on the make and model of fan used....they are all different.Admiral Valdemar wrote:My old AMD 166MHz and then 355MHz chips were great. The PC I have at uni is a 1.7GHz Pentium 4 and is smooth as anything (may need more RAM though).
But the custom built AMD 1800+ that my bro has at home needs enough power for the cooling fan to make gas turbines seem tame, it's so fucking noisy! Maybe it's just the fan type, but that thing I could not have in my room and leave overnight if I wanted sleep.
