Baptist preacher: "Stop burning flags, start burning fags."

[sketerpot]

Yes, there are people who openly advocate mass murder, and draw cheering crowds to listen to them. The YouTube video got taken down (apparently it's against the YouTube rules to incite murder), but there's a mirror on Vimeo. It's less than a minute long, but it was hard to listen to.

That question is answered on this website. Jeff Owens "is a man of great expression, compassion, and wisdom," who currently leads the Shenandoah Bible Baptist Church, "one of America's most exciting churches," a church located in a part of West Virginia that serves as a suburb of Washington D.C. Pastor Owens is "a soulwinner, fervent preacher, and takes an uncompromising stand against sin; but the hallmark quality of Dr. Owens is his genuine love and concern for people." In this sermon Pastor Owens lovingly and compassionately calls on his flock to terrorize and murder gays and lesbians:

VIDEO HERE. -sketerpot

We need to stop burning flags and start burning fags. We need hunt-a-homo week. We need to take 'em all out and shoot 'em with a scatter shotgun: that's Christian compassion for you all right. Now for all you moderate Christians offended by this sort of thing—by Owens' sermon, by my posting about it—if you want to tell anyone that Owens doesn't speak for all Christians, go tell Owens. I'm sick of hearing it, frankly, and Owens needs to hear it. And you can reach Pastor Compassion at...

Shenandoah Bible Baptist Church
“One of America’s Most Exciting Churches”
2251 Williamsport Pike
Martinsburg, West Virginia 25404
PHONE: 304-263-3461
FAX: 304-263-0151
Listen to that sermon again—listen to Pastor Owens crank up his congregation, listen to Jesus's followers scream and cheer when their loving, compassionate pastor encourages them to get out there and murder gays and lesbians. That's the kind of rally—so Nuremburgish—that gets innocent people killed. Listen to that sermon again. And then give the vile piece of shit a call: 304-263-3461.

UPDATE 2: The YouTube video of Pastor Owens urging his flock to get out there and commit hate crimes—murder is a hate crime, right?—has been yanked. Hopefully someone dubbed it. The quotes above are verbatim, and not "taken out of context." I don't know how you could put "we need to stop burning flags and start burning fags" in a context that makes it less of an incitement to commit a hate crime. Also: in the deleted clip Pastor Owens used some of the same language and arguments he made in his sodomy sermon: we need to shove this sin back in the closet, gay people wouldn't be coming out at all if more Christians stood up to them.

Because, hey, when was the last time Christians stood up to the gays anyway. We've been getting a free pass from the Christians for, oh, the last two thousand or so years, right?

This is downright frightening. Fred Phelps is a cuddly teddy-bear compared to some people.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Why is this person not behind bars? Inciting to murder is last I checked, a crime.

[Serafina]

Why is this person not behind bars? Inciting to murder is last I checked, a crime.

Why, that would be religious persecution!
After all, the bible advocates the very same thing, and it is a religious book! Therefore everyone is allowed to follow it as they wish.

Or something like that

[Temujin]

This is no surprise really. I've often said it before, but the kind of people who fervently follow that kind of shit are at their core no different than the same fuckers involved with the Inquisition, the Witch Trials and burnings, etc.

They're nothing but subhuman scum.

[Zed]

They're nothing but subhuman scum.

The irony of this line is stunning.

[Temujin]

They're nothing but subhuman scum.

The irony of this line is stunning.

And why is that so?

[Zed]

Baptist bigot considers homosexuals subhuman.
Temujin considers baptist bigots subhuman.

[TithonusSyndrome]

Zed commits Golden Mean Fallacy.

Homosexuality is not meaningfully damaging to anyone and is an act conducted among consenting adults. Prosecuting adults for harmless acts they conduct among themselves IS harmful. It's not remotely comparable, so don't even start patting yourself on the back yet for your color-by-numbers dogmatic cultural plurality.

[Temujin]

Baptist bigot considers homosexuals subhuman.
Temujin considers baptist bigots subhuman.

So your one of those types. And here I thought it might have something to do with my user name name or my avatar and sig.

Are you also going to whine about how you shouldn't be intolerant of intolerance, a.k.a. don't hate the hater, etc.

[Bakustra]

EDIT: Instaposted, not once, but twice. Post redacted.

[Zed]

Zed commits Golden Mean Fallacy.

Homosexuality is not meaningfully damaging to anyone and is an act conducted among consenting adults. Prosecuting adults for harmless acts they conduct among themselves IS harmful. It's not remotely comparable, so don't even start patting yourself on the back yet for your color-by-numbers dogmatic cultural plurality.

And you're committing a Straw Man Fallacy. I've never said that one should not criminally prosecute this bigot. I've emphasized the irony of dehumanizing people who dehumanize others. This preacher fully deserves to be incarcerated - he does not deserve to be considered subhuman.

[TithonusSyndrome]

Zed commits Golden Mean Fallacy.

Homosexuality is not meaningfully damaging to anyone and is an act conducted among consenting adults. Prosecuting adults for harmless acts they conduct among themselves IS harmful. It's not remotely comparable, so don't even start patting yourself on the back yet for your color-by-numbers dogmatic cultural plurality.

And you're committing a Straw Man Fallacy. I've never said that one should not criminally prosecute this bigot. I've emphasized the irony of dehumanizing people who dehumanize others. This preacher fully deserves to be incarcerated - he does not deserve to be considered subhuman.

I'd say that people lacking in the human trait of empathy are somewhat distanced from their humanity, and in any case I doubt Temujin was doing anything more damaging than indulging in obvious hyperbole. In other words, can the smugness and stop tilting at windmills.

[Temujin]

Exactly. They are obviously human, and their behavior is sadly all too human; at least in regards to the ugly side of human nature.

[Serafina]

Zed commits Golden Mean Fallacy.

Homosexuality is not meaningfully damaging to anyone and is an act conducted among consenting adults. Prosecuting adults for harmless acts they conduct among themselves IS harmful. It's not remotely comparable, so don't even start patting yourself on the back yet for your color-by-numbers dogmatic cultural plurality.

And you're committing a Straw Man Fallacy. I've never said that one should not criminally prosecute this bigot. I've emphasized the irony of dehumanizing people who dehumanize others. This preacher fully deserves to be incarcerated - he does not deserve to be considered subhuman.

Well, they DO betray a lack of empathy for their fellow humans. They demonstrate that they are incapable of rational tought.
Both are things most humans posess. You could argue that the lack of these and other traits makes them "less human".

However, that is no what anyone claimed.
They ARE subhuman scum for these reasons - but that is an expression to express the disgust with which we (Temunjin, i, others) despise those people.

Now you go and claim that "you have them, therefore you are no better than them". Great, by that logic i am no better than a murderer if i hate a murderer (or kill him in self-defense). Or no better than a nazi when i despise him for being a nazi.
Either you are uneducated or ignorant about humanist morality and rational tought, you are incapable to grasp differing degrees of anything or you never had to deal with being discriminated against.

So, what's the difference between me despising the radical and the radical preaching hate against me?
It's quite simple, really:
The radical objects against me because of who i am and what i do in privat. None of my actions affect him directly.
I object against the radical because he preaches harm against me or treats me worse than others. Both actions (potentially) affect me directly - negatively.

Now, a common line of argument is that "well, the gays (or whomever) affect me, since i have to see them etc.".
That's simply a standard that can be applied to everyone - are you also offended by other religions? Well, such radicals propably are - but they have learned that they won't gain much by preaching the same hate against them.

Many radical go further and make up all kinds of supposed evils that happen due to gays (or other groups).
They claim that gays are more likely to be child molesters, that their lifestly is unhealthy etc (ironically, being burned to death also tends to be quite detremential to ones health - but i disgress).
The difference here is that we can show that radical beliefes have an adverse effect on society - such as the utter lack of healthcare in the USA resulting from then, or the incredibly high murder rate against transsexuals.
On the other hand, there is simply no evidence that gay behaviour has any adverse effect on society - you can see it in most european countries.

Unfortunately, golden meaners like yourself are often utterly incapable to grasp such things as evidence.
You actually tend to support some of the radicals arguments - you know, stuff as "teach both creationism and evolution".
You discard rational tought for trying not to offend anyone. You put as much tought in your arguments as republicards and fundies.

[Flagg]

At least they have a catchy catchphrase. Honestly, is anyone surprised by this shit? Really?

[Ritterin Sophia]

At least they have a catchy catchphrase. Honestly, is anyone surprised by this shit? Really?

I saw that he was from West Virginia and my first thought was, "He's from the Third World Country inside a First World Nation, why does this surprise anyone?"

West Virginia has overwhelmingly two kinds of people, ignorant well-meaning people and bigoted white trash.

[Bluewolf]

Though I like to limit myself from going "Only in America/Americans are idiots/scum" etc I do think this is sadly all too American. When you let the fundamentalist elements of religion off with nothing but a slap on the wrist or with no penalty at all, this sort of thing is to be expected. Such hatred is obviously a deadly toxin in society and I hope nothing really comes of this in general.

Though this is a good time to ask if the 1st amendment really protects this or weather people just don't care/support this behaviour?

[General Mung Beans]

Maybe he meant we should be smoking cigarettes.

But seriously these preachers who preach venom and hate: people like this guy or Fred Phelps or Steve Anderson-they're not Christian at all. They're as bad as the people who launched the Inquisition and massacred Jews.

[The Vortex Empire]

Why do we allow these assholes to incite murder without punishment? Last I checked, you can't do that.

Maybe he meant we should be smoking cigarettes.

But seriously these preachers who preach venom and hate: people like this guy or Fred Phelps or Steve Anderson-they're not Christian at all. They're as bad as the people who launched the Inquisition and massacred Jews.

How are they not Christian? The Bible supports them. The people who launched the Inquisition and massacred Jews were Christian too.

[General Mung Beans]

Why do we allow these assholes to incite murder without punishment? Last I checked, you can't do that.

Maybe he meant we should be smoking cigarettes.

But seriously these preachers who preach venom and hate: people like this guy or Fred Phelps or Steve Anderson-they're not Christian at all. They're as bad as the people who launched the Inquisition and massacred Jews.

How are they not Christian? The Bible supports them. The people who launched the Inquisition and massacred Jews were Christian too.

They were not acting Christian at best and at worst they were not Christian at all. For the Bible says: "Let who is without sin cast the first stone." Thus they're directly defying the Bible.

[Aaron]

Whats this then:

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1

Anyone else smell horseshit?

[General Mung Beans]

Whats this then:

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1

Anyone else smell horseshit?

The Leviticus quotes are Mosaic Law and no longer applies to Christians anymore than the Kosher dietary laws. And the Cornithian quote does not advocate violence against any of the sins indeed Christians should lead them to repentence.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Whats this then:

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1

Anyone else smell horseshit?

The Leviticus quotes are Mosaic Law and no longer applies to Christians anymore than the Kosher dietary laws. And the Cornithian quote does not advocate violence against any of the sins indeed Christians should lead them to repentence.

In the original writings, homosexuals and the effeminate are not even included. That is a modern interpretation that does not hold linguistic water as I have gone over before

[TithonusSyndrome]

The Leviticus quotes are Mosaic Law and no longer applies to Christians anymore than the Kosher dietary laws. And the Cornithian quote does not advocate violence against any of the sins indeed Christians should lead them to repentence.

"Christians", you say? You mean those people who are "only the lost sheep of the House of Israel"? I don't believe you or about 99% of North Americans or Europeans apply. That is, unless you're prepared to eat scraps from the masters' table.

[General Mung Beans]

The Leviticus quotes are Mosaic Law and no longer applies to Christians anymore than the Kosher dietary laws. And the Cornithian quote does not advocate violence against any of the sins indeed Christians should lead them to repentence.

"Christians", you say? You mean those people who are "only the lost sheep of the House of Israel"? I don't believe you or about 99% of North Americans or Europeans apply. That is, unless you're prepared to eat scraps from the masters' table.

I don't get what you're saying.