What goes around, comes around (Saudi Mutaween)

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Woman opens fire on religious police officers
In an unprecedented outburst toward Saudi Arabia's religious police, a married woman shot at several officers in a patrol car after she was caught in an "illegal seclusion" with another man in the province of Ha'il on Tuesday.

"She shot at the officers to distract them and allow the man to escape instant detention," said Sheik Mutlak al Nabet, a spokesman for the religious police in Ha'il. He added that the unnamed woman's husband has filed an official report, asking for his wife to be punished and stripped of her Saudi nationality.

Saudi law forbids women to socialize with unrelated men or walk in public without a male guardian, other than her husband, father or brother. Members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, known as the religious police, are tasked with segregating the sexes.

Saudi media report that the woman is Syria-born and recently obtained Saudi citizenship after living for years in the kingdom. Her male compatriot is still at large. The incident occurred only few days after the Saudi daily newspaper, Okaz, reported that a religious cop was taken to hospital with bruises after being punched by a woman in her 20s in the city of Al Mubarrazz.

The paper wrote that the young lady got violent with the officer after he asked her and man she was with at a public park to verify their relationship. Despite the possibility of facing imprisonment or lashing, the woman's fisticuffs was hailed by Saudi human rights activist Wajiha Huwaidar.

"People are so fed up with these religious police, and now they have to pay the price for the humiliation they put people through for years and years," she said. "This is just the beginning and there will be more resistance."

The religious police, who patrol shopping malls to make sure women are fully veiled, are reviled in much of the nation. King Abdullah has attempted in recent years to weaken their grip in an overall effort to soften the nation's fundamentalist Wahhabi Islam.

Saudi woman beats up morality policeman who quizzed her in public
It has not been a good week for Saudi Arabia’s morality police, defenders of the kingdom’s strict Islamic values and the scourge of young men and women who dare to meet in public out of wedlock.

The zealous, all-male volunteer force from the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice patrols shopping malls, harassing unescorted women and arresting others for not wearing suitably modest dress, their religious authority unchallenged. They have even been known to ban florists from selling red flowers before Valentine’s Day.

This week, however, two separate reports emerged of Saudi women not just fighting back but besting the intimidating guardians of public morality.

The first case occurred in the eastern city of al-Mubarraz, when a member of the Mutaween, as the volunteer force is known, stopped a young couple in an amusement park and asked them to explain what their relationship was, since it is illegal for women not accompanied by a male relative to go out in public, let alone fraternise with another man.

According to the Saudi daily Okaz, the young man was so frightened by the officer’s questioning that he passed out — but his female companion, incensed at the intrusion, started hitting the morality policeman in the face so hard that he had to be taken to hospital.

Just as the Mutaween were dusting themselves off after that public humiliation, the Los Angeles Times reported that a Syrian-born Saudi woman had gone one step farther. After meeting a man in a public area in the province of Hail, she was spotted by religious policemen in a patrol car — at which point she whipped out a gun and started shooting at them, giving her male friend time to escape.

A local spokesman for the religious police, Sheik Mutlak al-Nabet, said the unnamed woman’s outraged husband had asked for his wife to be punished and stripped of her Saudi nationality, despite the face that she had lived there for many years.

Such illegal meetings can result in whipping and imprisonment, although the authorities have tried in recent years to curb the more intrusive activities of the Mutaween, a group of about 5,000 volunteers set up decades ago in the deeply conservative country. The officers are not supposed to interrogate those they detain; rather, they are expected to hand them over to the real police for questioning.

In 2007, a Saudi newspaper reported that attacks on the religious enforcers — including shootings and stabbings — had increased, as a more modern, assertive society started to rebel against their smothering presence. Nevertheless, the officers have continued their work, jailing a 37-year-old American businesswoman, a married mother of three, for sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh in 2008.

Women in Saudi Arabia have, however, fought back, occasionally taking members of the religious police to court for harassment. “People are so fed up with these religious police, and now they have to pay the price for the humiliation they put people through for years and years,” said Wajiha Huwaidar, an activist. “This is just the beginning. There will be more resistance.”
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While I might say "Way to go!" the Saudi police are going to absolutely brutalize these women, even if they don't end up executing them. It's an ugly situation that's going to take a revolution within Saudi Arabia to fix. Ironically, I can just see the headlines here in the United States as every politician who's got ties to the Saudi Royals decrying any Saudi revolutionaries as vile terrorists.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:While I might say "Way to go!" the Saudi police are going to absolutely brutalize these women, even if they don't end up executing them. It's an ugly situation that's going to take a revolution within Saudi Arabia to fix. Ironically, I can just see the headlines here in the United States as every politician who's got ties to the Saudi Royals decrying any Saudi revolutionaries as vile terrorists.

Odds are because the people who will try to overthrow the Saudi royals will be even worse. The only reason there are 'morality police' and draconian rules like there are now is because the Saudi Royals and the leading religious zealots cut a deal in 1979 in response to both the Iranian revolution and the take over of the Kaaba. The people who hate the Saudi royal family, and want it gone more than anyone else, are the ones who think that that deal was corrupt and that the True Believers shouldn't have stopped until the despots were toppled for their godlessness.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:While I might say "Way to go!" the Saudi police are going to absolutely brutalize these women, even if they don't end up executing them. It's an ugly situation that's going to take a revolution within Saudi Arabia to fix. Ironically, I can just see the headlines here in the United States as every politician who's got ties to the Saudi Royals decrying any Saudi revolutionaries as vile terrorists.
I'm surprised that she (the shooter) didn't commit suicide.
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Well, did she escape as well as the guy (whatever the relationship was)?
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Edward Yee wrote:Well, did she escape as well as the guy (whatever the relationship was)?
The article states that the man is still at large, I guess they have her in custody, which can't be fun.
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[R_H] wrote:
Edward Yee wrote:Well, did she escape as well as the guy (whatever the relationship was)?
The article states that the man is still at large, I guess they have her in custody, which can't be fun.
It´t still better than death so why would she kill herself? She might get whiplashes and serve jail time.
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salm wrote:
[R_H] wrote:
Edward Yee wrote:Well, did she escape as well as the guy (whatever the relationship was)?
The article states that the man is still at large, I guess they have her in custody, which can't be fun.
It´t still better than death so why would she kill herself? She might get whiplashes and serve jail time.
Unless they catch the man she was with and he gives testimony that would suggest that an adulterous relationship occurred between the two. In which case, she runs the risk of execution. Which is likely why she chose to start shooting at the Mutaween in the first place. Yes, as far as human rights go, the House of Saud is better than some of the likely alternative governments Saudi Arabia could have; but not by a whole lot.
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So, still better than certain death. :wtf:
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