Pentium, AMD, or Celeron?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-02-19 06:43am

Coaan wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote: Actually it can be mother board dependant....some (good ones) have heat sensors built in and will cut out the computer before the proccessor can pass a certain temp.
Yeah.......

On another topic. I don't work at that place anymore and you people would love the reason why I had to quit.

Everything is going great, I'm getting lots of hours and pulling in around $900 - $1000 dollars every other week (yeah I know that isn't a lot to some of you).

We were encouraged to carry on conversations with the companies clients while out on a job, I did have a conversation and happened to mentioned my religious standing(athiest, yes it was a stupid move). I live in Utah, and I'm sure you know what Utah is famous for at least as far as religion is concerned. Well after that conversation my work load dropped by 90% because 90% of my work load was for an entire county, I was told that they didn't want me around anymore.....I'm sure you can guess why. Fuckers..
Religion has or should not have any bearing on a service that you provide...what would it matter to someone if you were a devil worshipper so long as the work was done and they were satisfied?

people are strange.

I agree, and don't worry I was compensated. I made my employer pay the fee to the state so they could provide me with unemployment (I'm not proud of it, but I have bills)

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-19 06:47am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Coaan wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote: Yeah.......

On another topic. I don't work at that place anymore and you people would love the reason why I had to quit.

Everything is going great, I'm getting lots of hours and pulling in around $900 - $1000 dollars every other week (yeah I know that isn't a lot to some of you).

We were encouraged to carry on conversations with the companies clients while out on a job, I did have a conversation and happened to mentioned my religious standing(athiest, yes it was a stupid move). I live in Utah, and I'm sure you know what Utah is famous for at least as far as religion is concerned. Well after that conversation my work load dropped by 90% because 90% of my work load was for an entire county, I was told that they didn't want me around anymore.....I'm sure you can guess why. Fuckers..
Religion has or should not have any bearing on a service that you provide...what would it matter to someone if you were a devil worshipper so long as the work was done and they were satisfied?

people are strange.
I agree, and don't worry I was compensated. I made my employer pay the fee to the state so they could provide me with unemployment (I'm not proud of it, but I have bills)

I know the feeling..work these days is almost as difficult to find as snow...in Ayr

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-19 10:39am

Hyperion wrote:Get an AMD, beit Duron or Athlon/AthlonXP, for the price you get a hell of a lot more performance than inhell will ever give you.

Whats with you and all the childish comments? You don't expect to be taken seriously do you?

Anyway it's hardly a simple matter anymore, the latest pentium's with hyper-threading are definitly fast and furious, and AMD's have that whole VIA chipset situation.

I'd reccomend a latest gen. P4 if you got the money.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-19 10:42am

Crayz9000 wrote:Shep, you're forgetting the performance difference...

Hardly as big as it's made out to be anymore with the advent of hyperthreading in Intel CPU's

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-19 10:44am

Coaan wrote:the Intels are no better, infact they are even more prone to overheating without the small fridge they attach these days...that's there for a reason boys and girls

Actually, there was an article on this, Intel CPU's have much better safeguards against this.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-19 10:44am

Crayz9000 wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:As for Palladium IIRC AMD have signed up for it aswell...leaving only Crusoe....but I cant remember where I read that info....
The difference is that AMD is planning to leave it up to the user to activate Palladium, like they've left it up to the user about overclocking. At least, that's what I recall.

Uhm, haven't that been also the deal with Intel for a looong time?

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-19 10:46am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Coaan wrote:the Intels are no better, infact they are even more prone to overheating without the small fridge they attach these days...that's there for a reason boys and girls
Actually, there was an article on this, Intel CPU's have much better safeguards against this.

yeah, it's called automatic shut down when it gets too hot...and it's standard these days no matter what the make

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-19 10:46am

My current setup is an AMD, but Intel has really been taking back lost ground as of late and they have alot better chipsets and are more reliable, so thats what I'm getting for my next computer.

IA-64 stands to be very interesting too, and may finally kill x86

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-19 10:47am

Coaan wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Coaan wrote:the Intels are no better, infact they are even more prone to overheating without the small fridge they attach these days...that's there for a reason boys and girls
Actually, there was an article on this, Intel CPU's have much better safeguards against this.
yeah, it's called automatic shut down when it gets too hot...and it's standard these days no matter what the make

Yeah but AMD's safeguards where alot worse and the CPU melted anyway.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-19 10:48am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:As for Palladium IIRC AMD have signed up for it aswell...leaving only Crusoe....but I cant remember where I read that info....
The difference is that AMD is planning to leave it up to the user to activate Palladium, like they've left it up to the user about overclocking. At least, that's what I recall.
Uhm, haven't that been also the deal with Intel for a looong time?

You don't have a choice with intel chips...I seem to remember palladium was active on them no matter what....to the well read computer user, this is a major concern, what next...big brother cameras watching our every move and security tags?

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-19 10:52am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Coaan wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote: Actually, there was an article on this, Intel CPU's have much better safeguards against this.
yeah, it's called automatic shut down when it gets too hot...and it's standard these days no matter what the make
Yeah but AMD's safeguards where alot worse and the CPU melted anyway.

When they were first released yes, but since then their safeguards have improved no end....I've had my cpu over heat at least 5 times in the past and all that happened is the computer shut down..the computer in question was a 1.4ghz thunderbird...damage?..none at all.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-19 10:58am

Hmm, I've been told Palladium will be optional, an MS employee on another forum I remember also said that it will be optional and not mandatory.

Also, Intel is moving to 90nm processes, thats cool.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-02-19 11:06am

jegs2 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Intel 8088, all the way. They have them running at a blazing fast 4.77MHz now.
I gotcha beat with my Zilog Z80A microprocessor, running at a screaming 3.58MHz...

Bah. 68000 forever!

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-02-19 11:13am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Coaan wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote: Actually, there was an article on this, Intel CPU's have much better safeguards against this.
yeah, it's called automatic shut down when it gets too hot...and it's standard these days no matter what the make
Yeah but AMD's safeguards where alot worse and the CPU melted anyway.

That was a long time ago, they're supposed to be a lot better now.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-19 11:19am

Crazy_Vasey wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Coaan wrote: yeah, it's called automatic shut down when it gets too hot...and it's standard these days no matter what the make
Yeah but AMD's safeguards where alot worse and the CPU melted anyway.

That was a long time ago, they're supposed to be a lot better now.

They are....I swear by them....

*curses* see?

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-19 11:24am

His Divine Shadow wrote:Hmm, I've been told Palladium will be optional, an MS employee on another forum I remember also said that it will be optional and not mandatory.

Also, Intel is moving to 90nm processes, thats cool.

When it was first remarked upon on in the magazine I read it in, they mentioned that it was going to be a mandatory feature for all intel chips, as intel heartily agree with the idea we should all be slaves to the fat cats who hold the licenses..

Personally I think it's a breach of an individual's personal freedoms, restricting what they can and cannot do on something they pay hundreds of pounds (or whatever currency you used to buy it) to purchase...it's akin to putting chips into cars and controlling who and who cannot drive yet if the manufacturers came up with this idea, there would be public outrage, it's partly the reason linux is becoming so popular these days (aside from the fact it's free) because I believe there is a work around in linux to counteract palladium iirc

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-02-19 11:25am

Heh.

To be honest I couldn't give a shit what happens to a processor when you take the heatsink off. If you're stupid enough to do so then you deserve all you get, and it it falls off you're fucked anyway because a heatsink is pretty heavy and will almost certainly damage the delicate components in a PC.

LordChaos · Post by **LordChaos** » 2003-02-19 12:28pm

Hyperion wrote: Btw, I did re-check on the inhell celerons, they are still done the same way as the old ones, normal pentium which failed some sort of minor test, or had minor varience out of tolerance, clip the cache, then slap it in a PGA package and sell.

Ether your source is lieing to you or you just don't want to admit that you were wrong, because celerons are NOT falled pentium chips but purposely designed/constructed "bargin" chips.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-19 12:31pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:My current setup is an AMD, but Intel has really been taking back lost ground as of late and they have alot better chipsets and are more reliable, so thats what I'm getting for my next computer.

IA-64 stands to be very interesting too, and may finally kill x86

Bah, AMD's Hammer will kill IA-64, since it's backward compatiable - I think they use the code-morphing stuff licenced from transmeta.

It's also planned for the desktop.

Hyperthreading is overrated, unless you do heavy multitasking or run multithreaded apps like photoshop.

LordChaos · Post by **LordChaos** » 2003-02-19 12:33pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:Shep, you're forgetting the performance difference...
Performance doesn't matter worth a damn if it dies after being
coughed on. AMD is good for cheap rigs like 2nd computers.....

but for your primary rig, I'd have to go with Intel, despite
the cost/performance difference, because I value reliability
over cost/performance ratio.

I've used nothing but AMD chips for about 5+ years now in my primary (and until recently, only) computer and have yet to have a single problem related to the CPU (and my system has averaged about 18 hours "up time" per day for that period). I'd consider that quite reliable for any home user.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-19 12:34pm

LordChaos wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:Shep, you're forgetting the performance difference...
Performance doesn't matter worth a damn if it dies after being
coughed on. AMD is good for cheap rigs like 2nd computers.....

but for your primary rig, I'd have to go with Intel, despite
the cost/performance difference, because I value reliability
over cost/performance ratio.
I've used nothing but AMD chips for about 5+ years now in my primary (and until recently, only) computer and have yet to have a single problem related to the CPU (and my system has averaged about 18 hours "up time" per day for that period). I'd consider that quite reliable for any home user.

Mine is up 24/7 most of the time....and has been for about a year and a half....and its still going strong.

LordChaos · Post by **LordChaos** » 2003-02-19 12:35pm

MKSheppard wrote: WTF is it about AMD chips that kills them in 5 seconds if
the heat gets too high, but not Intel chips?

Conscious design decision to save money by being less
heat tolerant?

No, it was MB designers not following AMD's recomendation for a thermal cuttoff on the board. Those that did had AMD based systems responding to overheating similar to intel's, aka - shut down without frying the CPU.

Shogoki · Post by **Shogoki** » 2003-02-19 02:36pm

The answer is quite simple:

Value: AMD
Performance: Intel

AMD packs a great punch for the price, but it just can't compete with the better Intel based systems, I currently have an Athlon XP computer, but I would have gone the Intel way if I had the money, so it really depends on how much you are willing to spend.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-02-19 02:49pm

Pu-239 wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:My current setup is an AMD, but Intel has really been taking back lost ground as of late and they have alot better chipsets and are more reliable, so thats what I'm getting for my next computer.

IA-64 stands to be very interesting too, and may finally kill x86
Bah, AMD's Hammer will kill IA-64, since it's backward compatiable - I think they use the code-morphing stuff licenced from transmeta.

IA64 contains a P5 core in it so it will execute older IA32 code, abliet not very fast.

Hammer natively runs IA32 code, none of this code morphing trickery is neccessary.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-19 02:56pm

Pu-239 wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:My current setup is an AMD, but Intel has really been taking back lost ground as of late and they have alot better chipsets and are more reliable, so thats what I'm getting for my next computer.

IA-64 stands to be very interesting too, and may finally kill x86
Bah, AMD's Hammer will kill IA-64, since it's backward compatiable - I think they use the code-morphing stuff licenced from transmeta.

It's also planned for the desktop.

Hyperthreading is overrated, unless you do heavy multitasking or run multithreaded apps like photoshop.

There's a reason why IA-64 (Itanium) is nicknamed Itanic