EVE Online: Tyrannis. Who wants to get ruined by Sansha's?

[RedImperator]

So how is the planet interaction? Are you able to make good afk money? What is the time investment versus isk? I have tried the game but the mission grind felt like a second job for me and I was still poor after several months of playing. I have access to level 4 missions but am stuck with a cruiser still doing level 2 missions because I can't afford it.

From what I understand, it's easy to make some walking-around money by being mostly AFK with PI, but the big money items like POS components are more labor-intensive.

[ArmorPierce]

What would be "walking around money"? I can afk mine for about 1million a day. I've tried my hand at buy/sell station trading trading but it took me a couple weeks to make like 1 or 2 million. I am guessing that you can't really make much money doing that until you already have a substantial amount of money.

[Losonti Tokash]

Wha...a million should take you like a couple hours maybe. I spend more than that on munitions.

[Dartzap]

Wha...a million should take you like a couple hours maybe. I spend more than that on munitions.

Considering I can make 14mil+ on some of the missions I do with my corp, I can only assume he's doing in an Interon Mk1

[White Haven]

Class 1 wormholes work quite well for entry isk as well. Pathetically easy in a battlecruiser or even some lighter ships, and Melted Nanoribbons sell for five million plus in Jita, easy.

The Sleeper tags aren't bad either, and it teaches you to stay on your toes and watch your scanner. I got lazy and lost a Drake the other day doing that, but it's okay, it was old enough to have large rigs, so it's made me more than enough money to replace itself.

[Nephtys]

What would be "walking around money"? I can afk mine for about 1million a day. I've tried my hand at buy/sell station trading trading but it took me a couple weeks to make like 1 or 2 million. I am guessing that you can't really make much money doing that until you already have a substantial amount of money.

1 million isk is nothing. Nothing in the slightest.

A 'real' income is at least 40 million an hour. And that's if you actually do labor in 0.0 resources. If you've got the willingness to organize industry and speculation however, you can easily make 200 million a day without actually doing much work at all. It takes some knowledge of the game though, and friends with access to juicy 0.0 space for you to populate with marked up goods. Even crappy Level4 Missions can tag you probably 20 mil an hour if you do 'em fast with like a Cruise Raven.

I loved the days when I could sell my 1.2 million ISK Covert Ops Cloak IIs for about 160-200 million ISK in Syndicate and Delve.

[Lagmonster]

40 million an HOUR? I haven't got my bank balance to crack 20 mil EVER. I find myself making two or three million for every ten I'm spending to keep ahead of the opposition trying to safely ferry cheap munitions out to the desperate parts of town and profiteer my brains out. While I see that there is obvious money in the game to be made, it takes a long time to scrape yourself off the bottom unless you set yourself up as a highwayman or something.

Edit: I suspect I'm seeing something of a canyon between what some people call 'easy' and what I find 'easy'. Accessible and easy to me is a replenishable supply of semi-efficiently-equipped T1 frigates. Accessible and easy to some people seems to involve ships I won't be able to afford but once every few months on training costs alone, such as a partway decent battleship.

[PREDATOR490]

Find friends to fly with usually helps in the money department.
If you can fly a destroyer with salvagers try and tag along with mission runners and do clean-up behind them.

Class 1 W-space works for getting money but the risk is fairly significant as well. Would not advise going into W-Space alone even at C1 level.

[RedImperator]

Drake fit for mission running:

Highs:
7x 'Malkuth' heavy missile launchers
1x tractor beam

Meds:
2x large shield extender
4x resistance amplifiers (adjust according to mission rats)

Lows:
2x shield power relays
2x ballistic control

Rigs:
3x Core Defense Field Purgers

Drones:
3x light drones of your choice (for killing frigates, especially scrammers and jammers)

Note: for especially tough missions, you can swap one or both ballistic controls with shield power relays.

The T1 setup will easily solo L3s (if money is tight, you can do without the rigs). Replace the mid and low slot modules with T2 as you can afford them (and if you're soloing L3s, it won't be long before you can). With T2 shield extenders, resistance amplifiers, and shield power relays, you'll be able to solo L4s as long as you don't fly like an idiot (I'd recommend T2 drones and ballistic controls so you can kill the battleship rats in a reasonable time frame). Cost for the whole thing in Jita is about 30 million, which is incredibly cheap for a battlecruiser (my T2 fit Harbingers cost around 75m each) and will pay for itself in a few hours of mission running.

If you need money before then, probably your fastest way to make a lot of it is through salvage. Find a mission hub system and ask in local if anybody has wrecks to salvage. A lot of times, guys running L4s won't bother looting or salvaging because they make more ISK/hour grinding the missions as fast as they can, leaving a ton of money on the field. Try to avoid Guristas, as they don't drop the most lucrative salvage (armor plates and alloyed tritanium bars).

[ArmorPierce]

Wha...a million should take you like a couple hours maybe. I spend more than that on munitions.

Considering I can make 14mil+ on some of the missions I do with my corp, I can only assume he's doing in an Interon Mk1

well badger mk 2. Doing missions I can make anywhere from 500k to 2 million a hour doing level 2 missions but as I've stated I finding it fairly time consuming, boring, and lonely. I lost my t2 cruiser twice so that set me back far and I currently owe a good amount of money. I actually have access to level 4 missions but don't have the resources to upgrade to a bc let alone a bs. If any of you guys wants to be my friend that be cool. Please don't scam or blow me up though.

[Nathaniel]

Drake fit for mission running:

Highs:
7x 'Malkuth' heavy missile launchers
1x tractor beam

Meds:
2x large shield extender
4x resistance amplifiers (adjust according to mission rats)

Lows:
2x shield power relays
2x ballistic control

Rigs:
3x Core Defense Field Purgers

Drones:
3x light drones of your choice (for killing frigates, especially scrammers and jammers)

Note: for especially tough missions, you can swap one or both ballistic controls with shield power relays.

The T1 setup will easily solo L3s (if money is tight, you can do without the rigs). Replace the mid and low slot modules with T2 as you can afford them (and if you're soloing L3s, it won't be long before you can). With T2 shield extenders, resistance amplifiers, and shield power relays, you'll be able to solo L4s as long as you don't fly like an idiot (I'd recommend T2 drones and ballistic controls so you can kill the battleship rats in a reasonable time frame). Cost for the whole thing in Jita is about 30 million, which is incredibly cheap for a battlecruiser (my T2 fit Harbingers cost around 75m each) and will pay for itself in a few hours of mission running.

If you need money before then, probably your fastest way to make a lot of it is through salvage. Find a mission hub system and ask in local if anybody has wrecks to salvage. A lot of times, guys running L4s won't bother looting or salvaging because they make more ISK/hour grinding the missions as fast as they can, leaving a ton of money on the field. Try to avoid Guristas, as they don't drop the most lucrative salvage (armor plates and alloyed tritanium bars).

That Drake is pretty overtanked for L3s and way, way, under DPSd for L4s. Best thing to do would be add another BCU or two and grind L3s until he has the skills to fly a half decent Raven on L4s.

[Temjin]

1x tractor beam

What's the tractor beam for? Or is it just that you have a spare slot and need something to put in there?

[quote-"Armorpierce]well badger mk 2. Doing missions I can make anywhere from 500k to 2 million a hour doing level 2 missions but as I've stated I finding it fairly time consuming, boring, and lonely. I lost my t2 cruiser twice so that set me back far and I currently owe a good amount of money. I actually have access to level 4 missions but don't have the resources to upgrade to a bc let alone a bs. If any of you guys wants to be my friend that be cool. Please don't scam or blow me up though.[/quote] Ouch. Mining in a transport? Yeah, it's generally not worth it. Even using a mining frigate, you'll make more isk per hour jetcanning.

[RedImperator]

That Drake is pretty overtanked for L3s and way, way, under DPSd for L4s. Best thing to do would be add another BCU or two and grind L3s until he has the skills to fly a half decent Raven on L4s.

Works for me in L4s--it takes a while to do them, but I still make more ISK that way than I do grinding L3s. A raven would obviously be better, though.

You could probably get away with only one shield power relay for L3s--I can sit and soak damage all day in it with my skills--but I don't mind overtanking my primary moneymaking ship.

1x tractor beam

What's the tractor beam for? Or is it just that you have a spare slot and need something to put in there?

It's just for scooping loot on the go, for missions I'm not going to salvage afterwards. My corp has started collecting junk loot to donate to our shipbulding program, and since the fit doesn't have a propulsion mod, it's easier to bring the wrecks to me than vice versa.

[Coaan]

That Drake is pretty overtanked for L3s and way, way, under DPSd for L4s.

This.

You want to avoid the hell out of Malkuth launchers. They might be cheap but then you get what you pay for. Cheap.

That fit is good for tanking, but I would seriously suggest buying xr-blah heavy launchers, or if you can afford them Arbalest heavy launchers. The marked increased in firing speed and thus, DPS is ridiculous.

I'd also drop one mission hardener for a blanket invulnerability two module just to have your tanking bases covered

Then train drones to 5 to get a full rack of lights asap.

That Drake is serviceable, and you'll have a solid enough tank you won't have to worry about most missions, but it won't be doing anything at speed. If it's the best you can use, then it's a great ship but I would really recommend the step up to a cruise (or even more hilarious), or a torp raven. The Damage increase you get from going battleship is sick and when you start lobbing cruises, you'll be giggling about how far they fly.

Yeah though, you get that ship and you'll be able to run level 4's and start pulling in alot of isk, then once your skills are in position for a battleship, you'll make even more isk. Assuming you haven't got 0.0 space to play in, that is.

[RedImperator]

For some reason, I was thinking the Drake only fits 3 drones in its drone bay. Probably because I was flying Omens for so long. Yeah, it's 5 light T2 drones, and watch those rat frigates melt away.

At present, I'm not running any missions. My corp, after a regrettable stint in highsec, got accepted into an alliance based in null, so now I'm using that drake for ratting and plexing. I could go back to highsec (I keep a jump clone near my old missioning grounds), but honestly, I despise mission grinding.

[Lagmonster]

The question is how to cross the threshold between "can afford to lose T2 cruisers" and "can barely afford to lose T1 destroyers". There doesn't seem to be a coherent way to invest one's money in the game, so my balance tends to flatline as I spend constantly on training and replacement equipment/ships. How do you intelligently spend your cash so that you are in a better position to make more? I mean, I COULD save for a Drake, but at first glance it seems I'd have to be already making Drake-replacement money at a greater rate than I'd be losing ships, which is 'every other time I undock' on average.

[Nephtys]

Don't lose ships. There's virutally no reason to ever lose a ship in a Level 3 Mission, if you have at all any sort of tank. That's how you save up money, really.

A passive-tank Drake with 3 Large Shield Extenders and 3 Active Resists (the 50 percent type, two of the primary damage type, one of the secondary) should never die in one of those. The lows can be PDUs and BCUs. Honestly with that, you don't even need rigs. Don't use SPRs, unless they've changed them since late Apoc, they aren't as good as PDUs.

Arbalests and top named are generally priced above what they're worth. Go for the XR-whatever second highest tier launchers instead. And be sure to load the enemy's weakness in your missile type. 'Affording to lose T2 Cruisers' is a special place to be. Generally, that requires 0.0 level assets. At that stage, you're playing with the people who can afford to throw away Tech-2 Fit Battleships.

Honestly, the best way to make money if you're willing to take a little risk but don't have many capital assets (T2 BPs, POS Miners, etc)? Get a scout alt or friend, and get a Tech 2 Blockade Runner. Sell valuable T2 items at 0.0 stations, such as Neutral dockables (be sure not to get bubbled at all costs with the scout). You can add a substantial markup to valuables such as T2 Invuln Fields, EANM2s, Tech II Battleship guns, and MWDs. Especially if there's none in the area. This only gets safer if you're delivering the logistics chain to a friendly alliance region.

[White Haven]

Nep? Did you really just advise someone who has a hard time affording battlecruisers and such reliably to buy a bloody blockade runner (hundred million plus) and then dance around nullsec with it carrying the rest of his wallet in modules? For shame.

And SPRs are most definitely far, far better for a passive Drake's tank than PDUs. And 40 million isk an hour is ridiculously beyond 95% of the playerbase's capacity and resources. Stop giving bad advice.

[Lagmonster]

Nep? Did you really just advise someone who has a hard time affording battlecruisers and such reliably to buy a bloody blockade runner (hundred million plus) and then dance around nullsec with it carrying the rest of his wallet in modules? For shame.

And SPRs are most definitely far, far better for a passive Drake's tank than PDUs. And 40 million isk an hour is ridiculously beyond 95% of the playerbase's capacity and resources. Stop giving bad advice.

Clearly she has a thriving practice of slagging and looting newbie traders.

But it's not too far afield from what I've been doing with my Sigil for fun - light shipping runs of dangerous goods along hard trade lanes. Packed full of those warp stabilizer thingies. I use NavBot to help plan my runs; it suits me fairly well.

[RedImperator]

Good luck hauling a ship full of goodies into NBSI space, which at last check was...well, everywhere in null, now that that Darwin award for CVA is official. You could make a pile of money selling T2 modules in null, but the problem is, so could the guys manning the first gate camp you hit.

Honestly, the easiest way to make a lot of money in a hurry is 1) grinding missions, or 2) hooking up with someone in null and tagging along in plexes. I went from scraping nickels to buy replacement frigates to "Oh, I lost a T2 fitted Harbinger? Oh well," after a few months, and the guys who have been at it for not much longer than me shrug at battleship losses. L4 missions and nullsec plexes are the dummies' ISK faucets. Traders and industrialists can make way more money, but that requires a lot more fiddling with spreadsheets than I'm willing to put up with for an internet spaceships game.

[White Haven]

If you get some probing skills and strike lucky in 0.5 or 0.6 systems, you can make a bundle off of highsec exploration in some of the more sparsely-populated regions. Like most combattive ways to make money though, battlecruisers are more or less a requirement for doing sites that are worth a damn. Missions can be very lucrative, but they're shit-boring; I can't tolerate them for long myself. If you don't mind dumping some skill points into science, datacore farming can provide some nice supplemental income without you having to do any work once you've gotten the agent(s) churning, but it's a hassle to get set up in the first place.

These all have the advantage of not requiring nullsec or lowsec access to pull off, (hard to get for a newbie between the fear of spies and the assumption that access should cost billions) which means your risk is microscopic and while the rewards aren't great, they're passable. Also, wormholes.

[White Haven]

Is anyone else watching Alliance Tournament 8? Some seriously hilarious shenanigans going on there already, definitely worth watching

For anyone who isn't, but is interested, Hydra Reloaded just incinerated all but one ship on the Agony Empire team with no losses, then took three billion to self-destruct their entire team to hand Agony the win and enough points to have a shot in the finals.

[Prannon]

I'm watching it right now actually. My alliance, Intrepid Crossing, got owned. -_- Sad Prannon is sad. They're all saying that we'll get another shot at it next week, so here's to hoping.

[White Haven]

Hehe, yeah, you guys got ballpunted pretty hard. Not too many close matches though, which is a shame. Looking forward to Pandemic Legion v. Dead Terrorists later today though.

[Prannon]

Panda Team v. Brick Squad was pretty good. I was a bit surprised with how small Panda Team's....er...team was, and was even more surprised that they managed to grab the Machariel kill. That was a rewarding match to watch for sure.