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Gizmodo wrote:In response to a flood of Facebook and YouTube videos that depict police abuse, a new trend in law enforcement is gaining popularity. In at least three states, it is now illegal to record any on-duty police officer.

Even if the encounter involves you and may be necessary to your defense, and even if the recording is on a public street where no expectation of privacy exists.

The legal justification for arresting the "shooter" rests on existing wiretapping or eavesdropping laws, with statutes against obstructing law enforcement sometimes cited. Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland are among the 12 states in which all parties must consent for a recording to be legal unless, as with TV news crews, it is obvious to all that recording is underway. Since the police do not consent, the camera-wielder can be arrested. Most all-party-consent states also include an exception for recording in public places where "no expectation of privacy exists" (Illinois does not) but in practice this exception is not being recognized.

Massachusetts attorney June Jensen represented Simon Glik who was arrested for such a recording. She explained, "[T]he statute has been misconstrued by Boston police. You could go to the Boston Common and snap pictures and record if you want." Legal scholar and professor Jonathan Turley agrees, "The police are basing this claim on a ridiculous reading of the two-party consent surveillance law - requiring all parties to consent to being taped. I have written in the area of surveillance law and can say that this is utter nonsense."

The courts, however, disagree. A few weeks ago, an Illinois judge rejected a motion to dismiss an eavesdropping charge against Christopher Drew, who recorded his own arrest for selling one-dollar artwork on the streets of Chicago. Although the misdemeanor charges of not having a peddler's license and peddling in a prohibited area were dropped, Drew is being prosecuted for illegal recording, a Class I felony punishable by 4 to 15 years in prison.

In 2001, when Michael Hyde was arrested for criminally violating the state's electronic surveillance law - aka recording a police encounter - the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court upheld his conviction 4-2. In dissent, Chief Justice Margaret Marshall stated, "Citizens have a particularly important role to play when the official conduct at issue is that of the police. Their role cannot be performed if citizens must fear criminal reprisals…." (Note: In some states it is the audio alone that makes the recording illegal.)

The selection of "shooters" targeted for prosecution do, indeed, suggest a pattern of either reprisal or an attempt to intimidate.

Glik captured a police action on his cellphone to document what he considered to be excessive force. He was not only arrested, his phone was also seized.

On his website Drew wrote, "Myself and three other artists who documented my actions tried for two months to get the police to arrest me for selling art downtown so we could test the Chicago peddlers license law. The police hesitated for two months because they knew it would mean a federal court case. With this felony charge they are trying to avoid this test and ruin me financially and stain my credibility."

Hyde used his recording to file a harassment complaint against the police. After doing so, he was criminally charged.

In short, recordings that are flattering to the police - an officer kissing a baby or rescuing a dog - will almost certainly not result in prosecution even if they are done without all-party consent. The only people who seem prone to prosecution are those who embarrass or confront the police, or who somehow challenge the law. If true, then the prosecutions are a form of social control to discourage criticism of the police or simple dissent.

A recent arrest in Maryland is both typical and disturbing.

On March 5, 24-year-old Anthony John Graber III's motorcycle was pulled over for speeding. He is currently facing criminal charges for a video he recorded on his helmet-mounted camera during the traffic stop.

The case is disturbing because:

1) Graber was not arrested immediately. Ten days after the encounter, he posted some of he material to YouTube, and it embarrassed Trooper J. D. Uhler. The trooper, who was in plainclothes and an unmarked car, jumped out waving a gun and screaming. Only later did Uhler identify himself as a police officer. When the YouTube video was discovered the police got a warrant against Graber, searched his parents' house (where he presumably lives), seized equipment, and charged him with a violation of wiretapping law.

2) Baltimore criminal defense attorney Steven D. Silverman said he had never heard of the Maryland wiretap law being used in this manner. In other words, Maryland has joined the expanding trend of criminalizing the act of recording police abuse. Silverman surmises, "It's more [about] ‘contempt of cop' than the violation of the wiretapping law."

3) Police spokesman Gregory M. Shipley is defending the pursuit of charges against Graber, denying that it is "some capricious retribution" and citing as justification the particularly egregious nature of Graber's traffic offenses. Oddly, however, the offenses were not so egregious as to cause his arrest before the video appeared.

Almost without exception, police officials have staunchly supported the arresting officers. This argues strongly against the idea that some rogue officers are overreacting or that a few cops have something to hide. "Arrest those who record the police" appears to be official policy, and it's backed by the courts.

Carlos Miller at the Photography Is Not A Crime website offers an explanation: "For the second time in less than a month, a police officer was convicted from evidence obtained from a videotape. The first officer to be convicted was New York City Police Officer Patrick Pogan, who would never have stood trial had it not been for a video posted on Youtube showing him body slamming a bicyclist before charging him with assault on an officer. The second officer to be convicted was Ottawa Hills (Ohio) Police Officer Thomas White, who shot a motorcyclist in the back after a traffic stop, permanently paralyzing the 24-year-old man."

When the police act as though cameras were the equivalent of guns pointed at them, there is a sense in which they are correct. Cameras have become the most effective weapon that ordinary people have to protect against and to expose police abuse. And the police want it to stop.

Happily, even as the practice of arresting "shooters" expands, there are signs of effective backlash. At least one Pennsylvania jurisdiction has reaffirmed the right to video in public places. As part of a settlement with ACLU attorneys who represented an arrested "shooter," the police in Spring City and East Vincent Township adopted a written policy allowing the recording of on-duty policemen.

As journalist Radley Balko declares, "State legislatures should consider passing laws explicitly making it legal to record on-duty law enforcement officials."
Firstly, I find this to be completely awesome! :mrgreen:

I love the fact that by persecuting this, police are effectively criminalizing or penalizing any civilian who may end up documenting/photographing/taping/recording officers doing terrible things. It's very smart of them to do so, very clever. Recording a police officer might compromise his secret identity and make him and his loved ones vulnerable to supervillain reprisals? Well, I think following this logic, they should also remove the nametags and other forms of identification on police officers. Doing so would remove any evidence at all of police misconduct, I mean not only can the police prevent people from recording acts of police misconduct like smashing Rodney King's skull open, but no one would even know the names or identities of the officers doing the skull-smashings! Hell, people won't even know if they're real police officers or not! Which is absolutely wonderful, and hopefully more American states will follow their lead. :D

PS - I am totally being facetious.
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Wow, that's... Orwellian.

I wonder how many instances of civil disobedience will be resulting from this, if people take to filming with hidden cameras at protests, etc.

I also wonder what this means about people who are filming or photographing for personal reasons, say a tourist taking pictures, and a police officer or vehicle happen to come into the frame. Sure, it is unlikely they would be stopped or prosecuted, since it can be considered "flattering", but really there is nothing to back that up one way or another, and if the officer got up on the wrong side of the bed that day...
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Well, that's Spartafreedomerica for you. Something-something are a right, as said in the American Constitution, but cameras are a privilege! :D
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This is so typical, don't address what is causing these abuses of Police Power. No. Instead criminalize those that document it. It's far easier to arrest or harass someone who is filming the cops than it is to reform the cops. This is so fucking sad and again is this being carried as a big story on any of the major networks? The more ignorant we are of the erosion of rights the easier it is to continue doing it.
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This is going to be a horrific PR blunder for the police, and it looks like it's being done specifically to prevent their abuses from being recorded. They deserve to pay the price if they can't behave.

Also, holy shit, I used to live about a mile from Ottawa Hills. That's a really high-class community inside of Toledo. If their cops are that lax, it makes me look forward to moving back home a whole lot less...
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Stravo wrote:This is so typical, don't address what is causing these abuses of Police Power. No. Instead criminalize those that document it. It's far easier to arrest or harass someone who is filming the cops than it is to reform the cops. This is so fucking sad and again is this being carried as a big story on any of the major networks? The more ignorant we are of the erosion of rights the easier it is to continue doing it.
Gizmodo's not exactly the most impartial or credible source in the world, so I'm not really sure I'm willing to take its word of a few incidents being any kind of new trend.
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This is rather too similar to the same problem that arose over here in recent years, with people being taken in by cops for photographing public places under the auspices of the terrorism act or some such.

Also, pick up that can.
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Dammit Valdemar, you beat me to the can line. :/

I've seen this sort of thing in action myself, although in the case I was present at the police were able to intimidate the camera-holder into putting his phone away rather than arresting him. That backfired for them, as a roaming reporter for the local NBC station wandered by and interviewed us about it, making it far, far more public than an otherwise normal drug bust would have been. That sort of attitude and incident contributes heavily to my general dislike of the police. And no, I've never been in trouble with them myself barring one or two legit speeding tickets, before SVPD starts in on his whole 'rah rah everyone who doesn't worship police must have been caught doing something wrong' spiel again.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:This is rather too similar to the same problem that arose over here in recent years, with people being taken in by cops for photographing public places under the auspices of the terrorism act or some such.

Also, pick up that can.
Labour actually made it illegal to film police officers here too, it's just that the police don't appear to have been stupid enough to try to enforce that yet.

Hopefully the Coalition will repeal that as part of their general civil liberties drive.
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I wonder what excuse the police will put up for this being okay. SVPD, Sith what's the official line?
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Well, since you asked..

The "official line"as far as my opinion goes is that this article sucks, doesn't give any references to the specific instances its talking about, and is generalizing a few incidents that seem to take place in a few states with highly restrictive wiretap laws to try to say it's the case everywhere.

The incidents described are highly suspect; for example look at the kid that claims he was trying to get arrested for violating the street vendor law, then he claims the police "hesitated" for two months because they somehow new it would mean a Federal court case. One wonders how the police were supposed to know he was purposefully trying to get arrested. He goes on to claim they are trying to ruin him financially and ruin his credibility with a felony charge but why do they care about this particular guy? Because he's selling art on the sidewalk? What's the use of force he supposedly documented?

Later on he talks about a "typical" event in Maryland, but he provides no statistics whatsoever to show this is typical, or even what he means by "typical".

In other words, it's a wild exaggeration to say this is commonplace, mainly because people videotaping the cops isn't common to begin with, and most states don't have laws that allow this silly interpretation. Of course, it's more convenient to claim it's "U.S." cops, though, isn't it?

Frankly, I think this is a case of a few states having highly restrictive surveillance laws and within those states a few cops and prosecutors have gotten some sympathetic judges to support them. Frankly, I both disagree with the practice and I don't think it's going to be upheld when it's challanged at the Federal level.

In fact, it does seem to have an intersting Achilles Heel: Most police cars these days have cameras, which video all the officer's stops. Some officers like them; some don't. I happen to like them because they are great when someone calls the station making up bullshit about how you supposedly treated them during a stop. But according to this argument, those would also be illegal, and I'm quite confident these agencies also use the cameras.

For that reason, and a number of other reasons which should be plainly obvious, I don't think this interpretation of wiretap laws will survive a Federal challange.
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White Haven wrote:And no, I've never been in trouble with them myself barring one or two legit speeding tickets, before SVPD starts in on his whole 'rah rah everyone who doesn't worship police must have been caught doing something wrong' spiel again.
What the hell is this? There is no reason to start picking fights for no reason. This looks like you're taking potshots at SVPD for things he has said in other threads and you've been around long enough to know better. However, if you wish to discuss this particular article and incident with him, he has already answered and the floor is yours.
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I doubt this will accomplish much. There's too many cameras these days; remember when that transit cop murdered some guy they were trying to arrest in front of a crowd of people? The cops tried to sieze the proof in that case too, but there were too many people with too many cameras. It's not practical nor good PR on the part of law enforcement.
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SVPD wrote:In fact, it does seem to have an intersting Achilles Heel: Most police cars these days have cameras, which video all the officer's stops. Some officers like them; some don't. I happen to like them because they are great when someone calls the station making up bullshit about how you supposedly treated them during a stop. But according to this argument, those would also be illegal, and I'm quite confident these agencies also use the cameras.

For that reason, and a number of other reasons which should be plainly obvious, I don't think this interpretation of wiretap laws will survive a Federal challange.
Well, in the case of Chicago, in-car video has this odd habit of just "happening" to malfunction prior to accusations of police misconduct. Or being "lost". Then again, Chicago is rather infamous for its corruption...

(Which is not to say ALL Chicago police are corrupt thugs - some of them are good guys doing a hard job - but there is most certainly an subset of bad apples)

Given the number of Chicago public "servants" who have gone to Federal prison over the past century I'm not convinced Federal disapproval will stop the problems there
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Teebs wrote:
Labour actually made it illegal to film police officers here too, it's just that the police don't appear to have been stupid enough to try to enforce that yet.

Hopefully the Coalition will repeal that as part of their general civil liberties drive.

It's not supposed to be illegal under every circumstance, the law is poorly worded.. probably like a lot of labour laws actually.
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SVPD wrote: In fact, it does seem to have an intersting Achilles Heel: Most police cars these days have cameras, which video all the officer's stops. Some officers like them; some don't. I happen to like them because they are great when someone calls the station making up bullshit about how you supposedly treated them during a stop. But according to this argument, those would also be illegal, and I'm quite confident these agencies also use the cameras.
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Wiretap laws (which is generally the type of law for these incidents) depend on the state. Some allowing taping as long as one person knows about it, so these states are fine. Those that require common consent (Maryland) either carve out police dashcams explicitly or get an AG ruling to do the same. More importantly, if cops can tape you during their duties, you should be able to do the same. What is good for one side should be allowed for both and I don't see how a police officer has any privacy expectations in their dealings with the public.

Often one of the bigger problems with removing the small number of bad apples are the very strong police unions and a series of local politicians who've caved in over the years and abdicated their managerial and oversight responsibilities. Camera malfunctions can happen, but if they are statistically above the norm for certain officers and always occurring at "controversial" incidents, this is a telling sign that you need to investigate that officer.
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White Haven wrote:And no, I've never been in trouble with them myself barring one or two legit speeding tickets, before SVPD starts in on his whole 'rah rah everyone who doesn't worship police must have been caught doing something wrong' spiel again.
What the hell is this? There is no reason to start picking fights for no reason. This looks like you're taking potshots at SVPD for things he has said in other threads and you've been around long enough to know better. However, if you wish to discuss this particular article and incident with him, he has already answered and the floor is yours.
Simple enough. The last thread, he immediately jumped into a 'most people who dislikes the police has had the police after them' platform, and I wanted to head that particular dishonest tactic off at the pass before it could go anywhere. Pleasantly enough, he seems to have elected not to attempt a repeat.

Back on-topic, it would be helpful if there were meaningful penalties of 'suddenly missing' footage and 'unaccountably malfunctioning' cameras. Banging it into a workable system would be more difficult, of course. Before you can make THAT work, though, you need a steel-clad secure database and backup system and a reliable procedure for making sure that at every step of the process there are multiple copies of the footage. Failing that, it'd be simplicity itself for someone on either side of the dispute to get footage vanished and use that as a weapon against the arresting officer(s). It's a thorny problem, but the current state of affairs isn't what I'd consider acceptable either.
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Zac Naloen wrote:It's not supposed to be illegal under every circumstance, the law is poorly worded.. probably like a lot of labour laws actually.
I'm sure I remember a former judge calling it 'legislative diarrhoea'.
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Labour passed more bills over the last 13 years than just about any other administration in living memory. They were the epitome of the "legislate it" line of thinking, which is no better than the "medicate it" way of doing medicine. If countries could be put to rights by simply passing a law in the lower and upper houses of government, then this nation would be the most perfect on this rock. Sadly, Labour didn't seem to grasp the concept of legislation without thought or support being effectively hot air on record.
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SVPD wrote:Well, since you asked..

The "official line"as far as my opinion goes is that this article sucks, doesn't give any references to the specific instances its talking about, and is generalizing a few incidents that seem to take place in a few states with highly restrictive wiretap laws to try to say it's the case everywhere.
Full stop, right there.
How does it matter if this is a commonplace occurrence as opposed to a rarity?
As long as there are laws in place that allow this to occur - people being arrested for recording police in public places - there is major pressure against independent reporting of police misconduct. Where do you get off claiming that that's not a serious issue?
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Well, it's obviously not a serious issue in places where there's no law on the books allowing it to happen, which is probably what SVPD is thinking when he says it's not such a big deal overall. In places where there is such a law, I think it's pretty damn serious.
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Molyneux wrote:Full stop, right there.
How does it matter if this is a commonplace occurrence as opposed to a rarity?
As long as there are laws in place that allow this to occur - people being arrested for recording police in public places - there is major pressure against independent reporting of police misconduct. Where do you get off claiming that that's not a serious issue?
I believe his point was that there are a few incidents of corrupt cops/judges trying to weasel an interpretation out of strict wiretapping laws that isn't legitimate, and that an appeal to a higher court would certainly overturn any of the decisions in question.
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Full stop, right there.
How does it matter if this is a commonplace occurrence as opposed to a rarity?
As long as there are laws in place that allow this to occur - people being arrested for recording police in public places - there is major pressure against independent reporting of police misconduct. Where do you get off claiming that that's not a serious issue?
I believe that SVPD is trying to say that the states don't have laws that state "you can't film the police" but rather they have highly restrictive wiretap laws than happen to cover the police. For example, a state might have a law that states it is illegal to film anyone in public (anyone includes the police).
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